Ruby to lose his job?

shame

Ruby walsh is alegend of our time

and a credit to the sport

This won't happen - just Ruby and Nicholls using some PR sense to put the pressure on. Doing Darleys job for him.

I suspect + certainly hope you are right I Say.

Does Ruby realise how lucky he is riding for Paul Nicholls?.I get the impression he doesnt give two fecks about the job sometimes.

Might be wrong but it is starting to appear as if some are taking the job out of Darleys hands - may well help produce a bit more clarity and speedier resolution, whichever way it goes.

I think he does realise how lucky he is to be riding all those great horses for Nicholls, but he also has to stand up for what he believes in. These boys need to stick together and stand up to these clowns at the BHA once and for all. This whip rule saga is an absolute embarrassment. Like him or not he's taking a stance and it won't be long before this snowballs into something much bigger, hopefully!

Paul Nicholls loss Willie Mullins gain.

Ruby proved at cheltenham last year that he favours riding for mullins over nicholls so it wouldn't take much for him to pack in UK racing.

I think Ruby just picks the horse he thinks has the better chance, end of!

I think Ruby just picks the horse he thinks has the better chance, end of!

The new whip rules are simply ridiculous. I watched several horses  come with chances over the weekend , only to have the jock stop using the persuader when it mattered most.

Yeah but roy,if you were on the winner you would have been laughing.

Correct Acey!

Acey Ruby could hardly be considered lucky in view of the serious injuries he has had. I dont know how you could possibly conclude that "he doesnt give two fecks for the job". PN and WM know who the best jock around is - it is simple and his record proves it. Ruby had proved his class before he ever rode for PN. My understanding is that at Chelters Ruby can pick his ride and the other trainer accepts and Ruby normally gets it right so the "rejected" trainer/owner also then knows that theirs probably is not good enough to win anyway.

We have so many blank racing days over here,sometimes there's 3 days without a meeting,of course he'll be over and back as it suits him,prize money on the whole better here so he'll just continue as is.

Dont think their is anything classy about threatening to quit yer job just cos you disagree with a rule change

It is classy if the rule is an ass.

What if,budda. the rule change makes it impossible for you to do your job properly?

Come on this is exactly what is needed.
Until and unless top jockeys start throwing some weight about the BHA will be able to hide in their ivory tower spouting sh1t.

I doubt he wants to stay over in Ireland but pressure must be brought to bear to make the BHA position so untenable that they change it or resign.

is it impossible to do your job properly though??
not a jockey myself so would not know,but i do know its possible to ride a horse within the rules,plenty are doing it right now.

and whatever yer opinion of a rule,it aint classy to quit

Buddelia,try to accept that the jockeys know better than you,and that they are correct.Horsemen that do care about their horses!

budd... I'm not a jockey but if one of the greats ,Ruby Walsh, makes a decision who should I believe, him or you?

"It aint classy to quit."
But it might be necessary.
The guy is going to lose some money.
He is going to be painted in a bad light by some (certainly not me).
He will not have taken this decision unless there are good reasons.
It seems he cannot ride without being able to use the jockeys aid to encourage horses properly. So he isn't going to ride without the aid.

In the workplace through arbitration i had my case heard fairly and then the majority of those problems dealt with in the manner i requested i think i`d look pretty stupid to go out and break those rules,whether i thought them right or wrong.Quite frankly i think he has an overgrown sense of his own importance,there are many jockeys quite capable and willing to take his rides.

Vectis,there is no arbitration in racing. The BHA is a law unto itself.

nichols can wave goodbye to the trainers title then if jacobs is going to be no 1

Rules are there to be discusssed, challenged when necessary. We should not meekly stand by unquestioningly. It seems to me very few jockeys are supportive of the rules. The PJA seem incapable of acting decisively in this issue so I am not surprised jockeys are voicing their frustration.

Hughes said in his interview on RUK that they felt that the restriction of hits in the final furlong or from the last fence was a kind of trap,that was the bit to my ears that really bothered them as this was telling them how to ride a finish,this and the monetary penalties have been removed and yet they are still not happy.Do they just want it returned to the old rules?If so they should just say it.

It is up to the senior jockeys like Ruby to tell it as it is. Many of the less successful jockeys cannot/cannot afford to do this. It is as simple as that.

One thing is for sure Ruby Walsh is not irreplacable.  No jockey is. I think his attitude is a bit of sour grapes because he has quickly succumbed to overuse of the whip. Whether you like the rule or not (which I dont by the way) it was there and you have to adhere to the rule and that is a fact. Its no use bleating after you have transgressed the rules because it does not suit.

just aying it aint classy to quit,cos it aint!!

Plenty of jockeys are getting on with it despite not agreeing,pretty much the same as most of us in various different walks of life do.

If a newly introduced rule,which was unecessarily introduced, hinders you in the course of your work ,then you stand up for yourself and voice your opinion, as strongly as possible.
Intelligent bosses listen to the workforce,for many reasons,and it will produce successful results.
  I had a very happy factory workforce,paid well,and listeneed to any problems that may have cropped up.
"You will do things this way",never has been,and never will be,the way forward,especially when it is thought to be a retrograde step.

Especially by people who know fark all about the job in the first place..

Is that not what has occurred unbiased?Surely there must be give and take on both sides when changes are trying to be made?

The BHA (The Jockey Clubb under a new name) have run racing into the ground. The value of races compared to 20 years ago is a disgrace.

The PJA is led by an ex jockey who says he had 'never heard of a corrupt race or ride} whilst he was riding.

The blind and thick meeting the blind and dumb.

No wonder this is a debacle.

The jockeys with sense and intelligence, Ruby being one, need to step up and let these BHA mugs, and Darley, know that not being able to use the whip on a 3/4 ton chaser coming up the hill in heavy going at somewhere like Carlisle will end up with a jockey being injured

i do stand up for myself,but i cannot threaten to quit,and nor would i anyway,even if i could afford to financially,as Walsh obviously can.
Pretty much all the jockeys are doing their job whilst voicing their opinions,so why cant he??

quitting is not the way to let them know though imo

He hasn't quit, he would just prefer (at the moment) to ride in a Country that doesn't bow down to agenda ridden farkwits..

Vectis,no,they haven't listened to the jockeys,and introduced unacceptable rules.If the jockeys say NO,these are not workable,then listen,then ask,"what do you suggest instead"?
Racing is in the worst state ever due to disagreements everywhere.The captainn steered the ship onto the rocks.
Unity is the only way to progress,and it takes good leadership to achieve that,someone that can listen and learn.

Unbiased - i totally agree.

Both posts!

he has said that he may not ride at certain meetings this week,sounds like quitting to me.Well hes certainly thinking of quitting riding at those meetings anyway.
Really great for connections of horses involved!! And punters for that matter.
Good job the jockeys that aint thinking of quitting are still riding with these new rules,guess they, like the rest of us, need the money,although i do believe AP Mccoy is not threatening to skip meetings,as far as i know that is!!

What part of the new rulings is unacceptable,and have they actually stated what they want?From where i`m sat it seems they just want things the way they were,and for what it`s worth i thought they were perfectly fine but the powers that be have decided rightly or wrongly that change is needed.The new rules were wrong and through meetings they had the main problems changed,most of them are happy with the total of hits allowed so they just have to learn to get on with it.

Buddeliea,read and learn.

He should just get on with it IMO.  He is just making himself sound like a prima donna.

I agree the rules are not good at the moment, and i agree they need to be looked at again,but i will never believe that what Walsh is doing, or threatening to do, is the right way to go about objecting to them.

To repeat,unity in the workplace gives good results,disharmony produces negative results.Twist it round and round to mean something else ,that is your choice,but it is fact!

unbiased,what you on about??
Read and learn,what from you???

so quitting produces harmony in the workplace does it??

"so quitting produces harmony in the workplace does it??"

If everything is roses in the garden the BHA can say everything is roses in the garden.
The rules many believe are ill conceived will remain unmodified.

The a sh1t storm is kicked up by enough people then the BHA will become so out of touch that to keep their positions they will withdraw these rules or they will resign.

I would advocate there was anything but harmony. There needs to be the mother of all sh1t storms.

yes the BHA have fecked up,no argument from me there,and they need to listen to jockeys, and trainers as well,but threatening to quit is not the way to solve the problem.

he,s the rub new rules 7 or 8 strikes, old rules 16 thats double the amount or more and some jockeys including mcoy think we are some where near,
but if the old rules were reintroduced waht do you think the average hits would be 8,9 or 1o, or 16, ,
these lovers of horses push the boundries,hughes give the game away last week when he said he hit his horse when it didnt need it and he didnt want to,before the furlong marker just to get his quota in, madness,its a maximum not a minimum

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quitting is not the way to let them know though imo


i disagree, brute force is the only thing this embarrassment of an organisation understand!! to think they hardly consulted the jocks about this new whip rule and then implemented it just before champions day!

their stupidity knows no bounds! they think they can do what they want!!

just like ryan moore says, whats the point in having this rule? whats the diff between hitting a horse 7 and not 8 times? is hitting the horse 7 times ...ok?

and if the whip is NOT the issue, which apparently it isnt, why the fook have they brought the rule in in the first place?

they seem absolutely clueless when it comes to dealing with horses and their welfare! these stupid measures are in place to appease these facking animal rights protesters over the grand national!! the BHA are an absolute embarrassment to the industry and have their heads so far up their own a rses that they have fallen out of touch with the sport!!

im totally in favour of a strike and i hope to god they do it becuase something needs to be done!! how the hell can a jockey count in their heads the amount of slaps they give a horse in the heat of a race and at the same time be expected to steer that horse to victory giveing the horse its full chance of winning!! the mind boggles at these fooking idiots!

It could be argued that by just continuing to ride despite disagreeing with the new rules, is essentially giving tacit approval to their workability.

What Walsh, and Hughes before him, argue is the new rules do not allow jockeys to get the best out of their mounts and therefore do proper service to the trainers and owners who employ them - as well as all the punters who may have backed them.

The new rules mean that many horses that should win will lose, and punters can throw the formbook out the window. Perhaps the BHA just want to feck up the results so that bookmakers profits - and therefore levy - will increase?

well i hope this can be solved without strike action,cos i dont want to miss any racing,in particular the NH meetings that are looming.
But i will say i want an end to this debacle,and if that was the only way then i would accept it.Just hope it dont come down to that,and that someone somehere involved in this can come up with a sensible solution that pleases all.

I would be very surprised, given their attitude towards jockeys and their head-in-the-sand ineptitude, if the BHA are prepared to back down without at least the threat of strike action.

there is no concrete eveidence that beaten horses would have won with a few extra whacks,your making wild statements on your ability to pick out horses who improve for a whack compared to others hardly science, what about horses who might improve and race longer for getting less smacks,how many trainers have put horses winning down to sympathetic rides on previous outings

I think you have misunderstood what I said. I didn´t say that. I said that the horses that have been winning under the old rules - ie horses that clearly respond to a few wakeners -  may not win given the same conditions under the new rules.

Nobody could describe either Walsh or Hughes as whip happy. Both are among the finest and most sympathetic jockeys to ride in this country, and both are able to settle horses and bring them slowly into a race without resort to the whip. But both are also fine enough horsemen to know when a horse is idling or could do more.

I think Walsh gave his mount a fine ride to win on Saturday - as did Nicky Mackay at Wolves - but both will now be careful not to go over the limit in future, even if it means losing a race they could have won.

Ruby Walsh totally correct to rail against the BHA they are ruining the sport let jockeys do their job his Saturday ride on Edgardo Sol was beautiful to watch man coaxing the best from a very good horse winning a race that didn't look likely approaching the last.A professional at work let him do his job ffs.

I have read plenty of comment and indeed anger at the incompetence of the BHA over the past week or so. While it is good to vent frustration on a forum like this perhaps our time would be better spent bombarding the BHA with emails letting them know exactly what people who love the sport think of their stupidity. You can contact these clowns at info@britishhorseracing.com !!

I think the main gripe for Walsh was that it was 5 days for 1 extra hit, this then jumps to 10 if he is done again. Then as I understand it a 3rd whip offence means you have to prove youre worthy of a licence. Also the financial penalties are harsh. I also think the BHA would have more support if this was the only problem, but the truth is they have helped make a big deal over something that is not a big deal for most. Have any of us been asked our thoughts on the whip? Nobody has confidence in the BHA anymore.

If the BHA had at least said any monies withheld would be donated to the injured Jockeys Fund that would have allayed at least some of the criticism, but no, the greedy baztards just keep it.

They should let Muir and the fu cking RSPCA take them to court and win the case with a good brief like McPherson.  I for one, as a lover of animals, will not give them another shilling until they sort their house out!

If the jockey's are prepared to strike, and imo a strike is the only way to resolve this, then don't mess about with a quiet Monday or Tuesday, use the day that hurts most, Saturday, Newmarket, Ascot and Wetherby, announce the strike asap, and the pressure from the bookies to the BHA will bring everyone to the table long before Saturday!!

It is time for the BHA to listen to the 99% and not the 1%. If this is how they deal with a issue which should not even be on their agenda how can they inspire confidence to deal with racings current and future real problems. These are the people who are entrusted with promoting racing and in little over one week they have probably damaged it irreversibly...

paul roy is an Animal Aid plant.

Vegetable ?

Mineral ?

Triffid

fungi!

One factor to consider regarding the bans is how little racing there is in the north during the winter - with a 5 day ban, with racing being frozen off, you could have some jockeys unable to earn a living for a month or more.

Could be wrong,carver, but I think bans apply to days when there is racing anywhere in the country,not just the region a jockey resides in.

I've e-mailed the BHA on several occasions,markphisto, not on this but other issues. For example,I've asked them why blindfolds are not required to be removed before the starter opens the stalls,thereby avoiding the problem we've seen recently of jockeys struggling to get the blindfold off. It is, I've pointed out to them, only a matter of time before a horse throws a jockey as the gates open and heads off hell for leather wearing a blindfold!
The BHA's reply to my e-mails?. Haven't had any! They don't even have the courtesy to tell me to p... off!

Punters don't matter to the BHA, so you can email all you want about betting matters, it won't make a jot of difference..

But if you're Harriet from Hertfordshire, who knows zero about Horse Racing, your opinion matters sooooooooooo much that rules will be changed because of it..

what happens to the prize money thats withheld from whip offenders ?
Does it go back to the sponsors ?

Goes to pay people posting on here all day praising the BHA.

ha ha.very good^^

Gerry will be in clover.

Roggrain - I clearly wasn't thinking straight this morning

That doesn't surprise me Roggrain. Still  better than doing nothing imo. As punters we should make our voice heard  somehow

The problem with that is the governing body pretends we don't exist.  Unless of course it wants more Levy then welcomes 100/1 winners of the GN...

It hates punters with a vengeance..