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21 Oct 11
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votes are planned amongst them to see whether to accept the BHA amendments or take action say's Cornelius Lysaght....Kevin Darley must be at Doncaster 
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where did you hear this?
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so they are changing their minds...AGAIN.....
..after having the demands met!!!!!  |
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Cornelius Lysaght. . . Who am i to question the great man
CorneliusRacing Cornelius Lysaght #Whip: but it's not over yet...hearing at Newbury votes planned amongst jockeys to see whether to accept BHA amendments or take action |
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why the hell did they demand the amendments...when after said amendemnts have been made..
they are still not happy ffs. |
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Apparently they want the whip limit higher still but the penalty harsher..
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Who said their demands were met. Penalties must be reduced as they are way out of proportion to the offences. In addition there has to be major changes to the rules in relation to NH racing. The BHA will not move sufficiently until they are forced to - in short the jockeys will have to strike.
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egner, the amendments dont go nearly far enough.
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Cornelius Lysaght
#Whip: jump jockeys saying that longer NH races could see no finishers as use up their quota of 'hits' (unchanged at 8) & pull up |
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Cornelius Lysaght
#Whip: 1 jockey insistent 5 day ban for one 'hit' over limit of 7 too severe to be accepted; wants higher limit but much tougher penalties |
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It only took most people 30 seconds to realise that ffs
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The Aussie guy on ATR is saying the old rules were not serving the industry or the jockeys.
At the moment people seem satisfied. Evidence please BS. |
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Obviously the jockeys were originally ignored in all of this. Lest we forget the ambulances follow them around while doing their jobs.
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the why the f*** didnt they request the actual amendments that they wanted......
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about the pulled up over the longer jumps that is
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Is there ANY evidence the old rules were harming racing?
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PJA statement regarding the whip review The Professional Jockeys Association today commended the British Horseracing Authority for introducing revised rules regarding the use of the whip that are “concise and easy to understand”. PJA Chief Executive Kevin Darley said: “We have worked closely with the BHA during this important Review for racing and have been consulted throughout. “Jockeys are pleased that the Authority has recognised that the whip is an important tool of the trade and that these changes will ultimately help protect the integrity of the sport. While there are always differences of opinion, the PJA is advising its members to endorse the changes and react positively to them.” 27th September 2011 |
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probably because Darley was their rep, should be a jump jockeys one as well
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..i wish the jockeys and their "professional" body would start singing from the same hymm sheet...
their position might seem just a little more credible if they spoke with one voice and their demands were concsistent rather than changing from hour to hour and day by day...!!!!! |
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wasnt Mccoy in the meeting in the other day zilzal...i think he was and im pretty sure hes not a shrinking violet..
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and today's
PJA STATEMENT FOLLOWING AMENDED RULES ON THE USE OF THE WHIP From Kevin Darley, Chief Executive of the Professional Jockeys Association. "The Professional Jockeys Association’s Board this morning discussed the announcement by the British Horseracing Authority. "The PJA is pleased that the BHA has recognised that the new rules over the use of the whip did require amendments, especially in regard to the limitations on the use the whip in the final furlong and after the last fence in Flat and jump racing respectively, as well as in regard to the forfeiting of riding fees. "We are pleased that the impact and the effectiveness of the rules will be constantly monitored, and Jockeys will wish to be fully consulted. There are still serious concerns about the level of penalties for minor infringements of the rules. A Jockey could still be in breach of the rules and face a heavy penalty for using the whip in the best interests of safety and horsemanship. There are also concerns among Jockeys about the way that the rules may impact differently on Flat and Jump racing. "Discussions among Jockeys about the amendments will continue today and over the weekend. These amendments have been announced only this morning and Jockeys need time to assess them. Opinions are being canvassed among Jockeys, many of whom are at trainers' yards and will be riding at racecourses this afternoon and evening." ENDS For further information, please contact: Kevin Darley, Chief Executive, of the Professional Jockeys Association, on 07974 172675 21 October 2011 |
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there seems to be a large difference between what the pja think and what the jocks think, maybe they should be talking to each other?
bha still seem to be intent on trying to make out that they are leading this when it's becoming clearer that they are just ignorant about what people inside racing feel the whole thing is a like a tiff between a married couple about whose turn it is to empty the dishwasher conducted in the street |
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The BHA rules are still too harsh and the penalties massively unfair. And I am not a Jockey lover by far.
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and the bha are still in need of a right good culling
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I wish the majority of jockeys would reject this compromise.The big issue for racing here is the whip use restrictions.
However,they will probably react for the good of their pockets only and go along with the new rules to the extent that they are not financially affected. |
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"There are still serious concerns about the level of penalties for minor infringements of the rules. A Jockey could still be in breach of the rules and face a heavy penalty for using the whip in the best interests of safety and horsemanship."
Clearly Richard Hughes doesn't share these concerns; he wasn't coming back until everything had been clarified. |
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Gerry your right, Hughes is back like a flash, yet in reality very little has actually changed.
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Having watched the ATR interview of Steir, I think the sports governing body should,from now on be referred to as the
British Authority for Horseracing or BAH for short! |
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exactly the point gerry, odd individuals are reacting but as a group they are not united
jamie spencer was pretty much disgusted and in fairness he was trying to highlight the way it would effect journeymen and young riders this should be thrashed out in a room not on racecourses |
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elise
But surely if the jockey who took the most drastic action is happy with the changes (as we must assume he is) then what concerns can the other jockeys possibly have? |
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Gerry it was a compromise that allowed him to slip back in. Nothing has really been sorted, it is
a shambles and Kevin Darley should depart the scene hanging his head. |
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It is quite clear that the PJA is no more fit for purpose than the BHA. The difference is THEIR "leader" is standing down.
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quite right SS
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Darley is not standing down because of this shambles though.
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I didn`t say he was Gerry. But he IS going.
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You have to ask yourself where are the leaders with any brains.Problem after problem after problem.
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BHA should just say accept it or F.O
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hughes has always been speaking for himself, he's even said as much to the effect that he didn't want the support from colleagues
however, the pja should have lifted this above the odd individual and should be thinking about all members, in both codes of racing to determine what is right for everyone the bha should be trying to accomodate the middle ground whilst protecting the integrity of the sport and its public image the pair of them have achieved about feck all of that |
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elise - Great! Since Hughes has voted in favour of the revised rules, and is clearly a man of great principle, we won't be hearing anything else from him on this subject then.
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No wonder Spencer's fuming
Doncaster 21st The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Jamie Spencer, the rider of NEVER PERFECT (IRE), unplaced, inside the final two furlongs. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had used his whip with his arm above shoulder height. As the offence warranted a suspension at the lower level, the Stewards suspended Spencer for two days as follows: Friday 4 and Saturday 5 November 2011 |