Welcome to Live View – Take the tour to learn more
Start Tour
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
20 Oct 11
11:21
Joined:
Date Joined:
11 Jan 06
i know you wont but stop spouting innacurate rubbish regarding the whip / they are air cushioned now in case you dont know . all your publicity just gives further fuel to the fire to people who know nothing about the sport an just believe its cruel regardless of knowing the facts . please shut up and retire you eejit. no ones saying excessive use of the air cushioned whip shouldnt be punished but i suppose you enjoy seeing a lazy horse that could win now wont in light of these ridiculous new rules. if it aint broke dont fix it . they should return to the old rules with immediate effect . this is ruining the sport . jockeys cannot do there job properlyu under these rules every horse is different . it should be left to the horseman to decide . if a proffessional as respected as richard hughes cannot ride under these regulations then common sense must prevail he is a consummate proffessional an for him to be banned twice for whip regulations just shows how far wrong these regulations are hughesy lives and breathes horses . hope they sort this mess out . the powers that be should not be altering the sport just to suit an ignorant misinformed non racing pubplic.
Show More
'Racing' needs to put someone forward as a spokesperson to the media to counteract McCririck's inaccurate and one-sided views on the whip. I would suggest John Gosden.
FFS, Just ask him if he would rather watch animals being torn apart instead, as he seems to support that.
our sport has ZERO appeal to any of the young when he is one of the "Best Known"
our sport has ZERO appeal to any of the young when he is one of the "Best Known"
Why does Radio 5 Live,for instance,always go to that clown for his view on any controversial racing issue. He is the worst ambassador possible for the sport and should be silenced forever!
Since the new rules primarily affect the jockeys you would think that Kevin Darley would be banging the drum for them - but don't hold your breath.
He was probably spewing out the usual reactionary, self-serving animal welfare mantra while stuffing his face with a bacon sandwich...
Talks in one article about racing as "dinosaurs" and "stuffed"
A case of the pot calling the kettle?
A case of the pot calling the kettle?
Quite how he can have a single concern about the public image of racing when he's prepared to do untold damage to the sport by taking money to appear on TV cage fighting in his underpants, is totally beyond me, imo...
And presumably he'll be accepting payment for his 'work' from C4 / ATR when appearing at NH racetracks where horses will DIE in the name of sport.
No horse is likely to die from being encouraged with an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid'.
No horse is likely to die from being encouraged with an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid'.
jrmillman James Millman
No runners 2day but might hve a busy Sat, Shav goes 2 Newb for 50k hcap while some rain at Chep could see Numide out. Unfort John McCririck Has bitten the hand tht feeds him in DMail 2day, such a shame tht he is viewed as important by those outside the industry. No1 shld ever hve anythin 2 do with him, but more worrying is the comments tht appear below article, most non-racing people will agree with him as they dont Understand the facts tht the whip is a tool not a 'barbaric tradition'. A major worry is wht everlastin damage is this debate doin 2 racing
No runners 2day but might hve a busy Sat, Shav goes 2 Newb for 50k hcap while some rain at Chep could see Numide out. Unfort John McCririck Has bitten the hand tht feeds him in DMail 2day, such a shame tht he is viewed as important by those outside the industry. No1 shld ever hve anythin 2 do with him, but more worrying is the comments tht appear below article, most non-racing people will agree with him as they dont Understand the facts tht the whip is a tool not a 'barbaric tradition'. A major worry is wht everlastin damage is this debate doin 2 racing
McCririck is a failed bookie who had his bacon saved by Barney, if the whip is so appalling he should leave the sport. So hypocritical, sticking his hooter into it....
donaldmccain Donald Mccain
by gerlyonsracing
Time for attheraces and all who employ mccririck take a long hard look at the damage a man they employ is doing to our sport !!
32 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
by gerlyonsracing
Time for attheraces and all who employ mccririck take a long hard look at the damage a man they employ is doing to our sport !!
32 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
There was a time when I defended this guy thinking that Chappers was bullying him.
How wrong I was. He is well capable of digging his own grave without assistance from anyone.
How wrong I was. He is well capable of digging his own grave without assistance from anyone.
Its alarming that its took this for so called racing people to see what sort of person he is .
Time for attheraces and all who employ mccririck take a long hard look at the damage a man they employ is doing to our sport !!
nail on head
nail on head
The big fat hairy 1 slagging the jocks off over strikes and stuff..... This from a big ugly man who went on strike in bb because he couldent have a can of diet coke pathetic creature
I used to think Mc Cririck was a sort of likeable clown that most people put up that no one took seriously. Now I think hes a moron who I would never defend again. If he knows a lot about racing which he claims he will have spoken to jockeys about the air cushioned whip and know that it does not harm horses. He just trying to get himself a more positive profile with those that know little of nothing about racing and sell his mis guided copy.
There's nothing worse, than seeing a frenzied jockey
whipping a horse.
Why some do it on the run in, with 50 yards to go,
when they're 20 lengths ahead, is totally beyond me.
Time they used their brains, me thinks.
They look like nasty horrible little men at times.
And it's got to stop!
whipping a horse.
Why some do it on the run in, with 50 yards to go,
when they're 20 lengths ahead, is totally beyond me.
Time they used their brains, me thinks.
They look like nasty horrible little men at times.
And it's got to stop!
Time for the Honky Tonk Sideburned Tugboat to the decent thing and resign his position at ATR & Ch.4. He says nothing to me about my life.
edvaughan1 Ed Vaughan
by EdDunlopRacing
Mc Cririck makes his living from our sport,while so many in our industry are struggling,now he's getting more media work for running it down
by EdDunlopRacing
Mc Cririck makes his living from our sport,while so many in our industry are struggling,now he's getting more media work for running it down
Mc Cririck certainly gets carried away far too much and also becomes far too emotive on issues...which leads to him being rounded on...
but i would say that rather than make him a scapegoat for the dreadful PR that racing is enduring ...
the chief protaginists in all this the Jockeys/trainers and the BHA should look to themselves first.
but i would say that rather than make him a scapegoat for the dreadful PR that racing is enduring ...
the chief protaginists in all this the Jockeys/trainers and the BHA should look to themselves first.
You only have to look at the battering that horses get in the U.S and the drugging and the mis-treatment from the likes of Micky Quinn to know that the BS spouted about how much those within the industry love animals is a total myth. McCririck's stance flies against the self-serving crap we hear from the animal abusers.
To be fair to JMc he has always been consistent in calling for a total ban on the whip, which would still be a more desirable outcome than the present mish-mash shambles. When you impose limits on the number of strikes - especially with such heavy penalties - you distract jockeys from doing their job properly and open the sport to widespread cheating by penalising the jockeys who are trying hardest to win while making allowances for the ones making no effort.
..yes tiptheodds......his consistency on the subject may be part of the reason why he is being rounded on...together with his delivery style of course!!!!
..nonetheless his consistency of position is in stark contrast to the trainers and especially the jockeys whose position seems to change.....if not on an hourly basis..then certainly daily!!!!!!
..nonetheless his consistency of position is in stark contrast to the trainers and especially the jockeys whose position seems to change.....if not on an hourly basis..then certainly daily!!!!!!
A man with all the intellect and inteligence of the contents of the inside of a ping pong ball.
Renge, supporting Fox Hunting and Hare coursing whilst calling for a whip Ban is hardly consistent with cruelty to animals
apparently though manyana ...at the level of atoms...we are all made mostly of air...!!!
...if you took every atom...from all 7 billion people in the world...and took the air from each atom...
..what remains would fit inside an orange!!!!!!
incred.
...if you took every atom...from all 7 billion people in the world...and took the air from each atom...
..what remains would fit inside an orange!!!!!!
incred.
Hes not that bright. The man is in contact constantly with jockeys. If he was intelligent enough to ask them the right questions he may get a factual answer. Gosh or am I wrong do they really want to know the truth.? It does not sell copy
why cant channel 4 replace the presentors of the morning line with atoms....or even an orange...
and i refer you to my 1812 post.....
..having a go at him wont solve the problem........isuspect they are simply deflecting critiscism from themselves......they and the BHA have messed up...
..having a go at him wont solve the problem........isuspect they are simply deflecting critiscism from themselves......they and the BHA have messed up...
So its more cruel to give a horse a hit from an air cushioned whip than to see an animal ripped apart for sport!!
Bit like his free market philosophy when he was bailed out, changes like the wind to suit imo
Voice of racing my arse
Bit like his free market philosophy when he was bailed out, changes like the wind to suit imo
Voice of racing my arse
Egner, I agree the BHA have messed up they have given gravitas to a problem that did not existuntil they thought they would become popular by making changes. Its now turned into a PR disaster. They should resign and let someone with common sense take over
but seriously ..the man is a sad parody...and any PR eminating from him is anti - racing..anytime he is challenged with equal aggresive voice he clams up, as all bullies tend to do..he may have had some valid points at some stage in his career, but to be honest he needs to be permanently retired now and stop milking a living that someone else could do far better. my grandad could do more PR for racing in 5 minutes than he does in a year...and hes been dead for 15 years.
Egner if Big Mac was so against the whip he would raise the issue every time he attends the Breeders Cup. But he doesn't. Why? Because they won't have him back. The only reason he spouts against the whip is because he is making a fortune from media attention.
If he morally believed the whip should not be used he would be around the world promoting that view. Why do you think he isn't?
If he morally believed the whip should not be used he would be around the world promoting that view. Why do you think he isn't?
he,s a question for the whip happy on here,i think we would all agree that if spencers ride of cape blanco had happened at ascot, 4 weeks ago they would have thrown the book at him and all on atr,ruk etc would have agreed,which leavec a couple of questions,
if as moore said last night hitting a horse correctly does no harm
and if as is now becoming a given that an aircushioned whip cant harm a horse,
why would most agree the ride was a disgrace
if as moore said last night hitting a horse correctly does no harm
and if as is now becoming a given that an aircushioned whip cant harm a horse,
why would most agree the ride was a disgrace
ok...im not so much defending big mac.....
..simply highlighting that some in racing may wish use him as a bit of a scapegoat in order to deflect attention from themselves as my earlier posts indicated.......thats all.
i know most people want to go back to the old rules and are slating the BHA...fair enough..
but the jockeys/trainers have not done themselves any favours either....
and finally...perhaps if they had adhered to the old rules and the punishments had been enforced rigourously the old rules could have stayed in place !!!!!!
..simply highlighting that some in racing may wish use him as a bit of a scapegoat in order to deflect attention from themselves as my earlier posts indicated.......thats all.
i know most people want to go back to the old rules and are slating the BHA...fair enough..
but the jockeys/trainers have not done themselves any favours either....
and finally...perhaps if they had adhered to the old rules and the punishments had been enforced rigourously the old rules could have stayed in place !!!!!!
finaly egner gets the point every jockey,journo, melish apart doesnt get,YOU WERNT ADHERING TO THE OLD RULES ,END OF, SIMPLES,GAME SET AND MATCH, WHATEVER, the so called pro jockey who,d never according to moore abuse a horse ,spencer just give a horse the worst whipping in recent memory,and the best his apologists can come up with is that its allowed in the us,so,s drug taking in holland but you dont have to indulge
Only Two Straws allowed from 2012-Breaking News
New Tax on Moet
New Tax on Moet
You dont have to indulge, but you do, you use Lasix as well
Egner. The jockey's never have a chance to get together whereas the BHA work with each other full time. Do you know how hectic a trainer or jockey's life is? You should try it. They relied on the powers to be to get it right. They trusted the BHA and why shouldn't they? The BHA would be expected to do the right thing by the industry but they didn't. By their actions they have screwed the industry. In any other walk of life they would be sacked or hung out to dry.
It's not known what sort of whip Spencer used that evening, it might not have been air-cushioned.
The ride was a disgrace because he used repeated excessive force and did not give the horse time to respond.
According to the BHA's own scientific report the whip is safe so long as it is used correctly. Using it excessively can have a negative effect.
The ride was a disgrace because he used repeated excessive force and did not give the horse time to respond.
According to the BHA's own scientific report the whip is safe so long as it is used correctly. Using it excessively can have a negative effect.
...i respect your views brigust....but we shall never agree on this....
so i will bid you all goodnight........
and go and watch the super silky spurs (unless harry is playing the 2nd team)
..demolish Rubin Kazan...
so i will bid you all goodnight........
and go and watch the super silky spurs (unless harry is playing the 2nd team
)..demolish Rubin Kazan...
These rides only prove that the whip does not have a negative effect on racehorses. Many times the horses given really hard looking rides come out again and win again. I have no problem with the whip providing it is used correctly. I hate horse being hit in the wrong place and I hate horses being hit when all chance has gone.
A bigger threat to horses, in my opinion are blinkers. They scare the sh1t out of young horses.
A whip is carried on a horse from the day it is ridden away. Blinkers are used when they aren't trying. If they cut down on the whip the number of horses wearing blinkers will increase massively.
A bigger threat to horses, in my opinion are blinkers. They scare the sh1t out of young horses.
A whip is carried on a horse from the day it is ridden away. Blinkers are used when they aren't trying. If they cut down on the whip the number of horses wearing blinkers will increase massively.
here we go again,why dont you ask all the loons on here who think the whip cant hurt a horse,why it matters where you hit them,if it doesnt hurt why does it matter
So if someone has a different opinion to yourself, that person must be a "loon"?
someone who says a whip cant hurt a horse then says he,s worried about where you hit it,yes what would you call them
Have you read the BHA's own scientific report on the subject?
ist time poster wants his views respected on a horse racing forum but thinks anybody who disagrees with him is a loon. wac.
I never said it didn't hurt, did I? I'm just not convinced the effect is as some believe. We are not horses so I'm not sure what they feel or for how long. What I do know is that horses run for the whip, they try harder when a whip is used and the majority seem to respect it.
Because there is no proof that the whip either hurts or pemanently damages a horse the feelings of onlookers are what are considered. I'm OK with that as long as the general effect doesn't damage the sport.
As I said before as soon as a young horse is 'ridden away' the rider carries a whip. If this was damaging they wouldn't carry the whip, would they?
Because there is no proof that the whip either hurts or pemanently damages a horse the feelings of onlookers are what are considered. I'm OK with that as long as the general effect doesn't damage the sport.
As I said before as soon as a young horse is 'ridden away' the rider carries a whip. If this was damaging they wouldn't carry the whip, would they?
It's not an argument,bigger beasts need cohersion,teaching,learning,a bit like kids really.
no ones arguing,what they are saying is that in 2011 is it acceptable, you wouldnt put up with a circus act on tv showing a bloke whip an animal so it jumps a fence
The story is that McCririck was so in debt to some bookmakers that they wanted him warned off. Curley persuaded them not to.
Allegedly of course.
Allegedly of course.
1st time poster - you are aware there are millions of people riding horses around the UK each with a whip in their hand (mostly non cushioned). Are they abusers or circus performers, just so I know. Busvaldo appears to be the usual one on a post here that knows someit.
Post Your Reply
Please login to post a reply.
Wonder
Instance ID: 13539