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hhhmmmmmm.....
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If they ban the whip Egner how on earth will you know if they are trying or lying?
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The hearing is not open to the press. On who's orders?
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happens anyway brigust....old rules....new rules....
doesnt seem to make much difference. |
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im shocked to see jimmy quinn's name there....shocked i tell ya!
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Are the Press disallowed as the matter is a threat to National Security?
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I shocked to see only 5 named there.
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Let's hope they get whipped when they've been found guilty. How many strokes should they give em?
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What a week for horse racing...no doubt this will feature in the middle of the papers along with a cartoon picture of Cristophe Soumillion holding his whip up with blood dripping from it.
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Betfair security i'd say wee eck
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Only one........BUT...that one should be like the scene in Casino Royale.......
when the villain has a naked Bond sitting in the chair with no seat.....!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() OUCH. |
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Analogs, can you hazard a guess as to why the Press are not allowed in to report
what is going on, unless off course this trial is to be held under the rules of a Star Chamber. |
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Spanish Inquisition.
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I'd say it's something to do with BETFAIR. Probably more names going to be mentioned that they don't want to get out to the public domain yet...Maybe completely wrong
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Analog, that is not a matter of National Security surely.
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I'm flummoxed as to why they are banned from it but i can't see the reasoning of it.
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when did Fairley last have a mount then ?
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The BHA realised what a success Betfair achieve by excluding press from their AGM and decided to follow suit....
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....dont want the press because they will want to achieve a compromise....(that word seems to crop up a lot in thre racing industry).....
and will want to sweep it under the carpet and move on...... ..some of these are too high profile for the BHA to get down and dirty with !!!! only imo...of course. |
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dont want the press there cos they will probably know more than the counsel
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cheats should receive life-time ban, ta.
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Quite agree Roger and until they do(lifetime ban), the corruption that everybody suspects will continue.... the laughable matter in most of these cases is that the worst the non-jockeys accused can get is to be warned off a racecourse, they don't need to step foot on a racecourse to carry out what they are accused of i.e laying non triers so the whole thing is a nonsense before it has started
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The lack of Press will have to have been agreed by both sides.
Quite possible it came from the jockey's side. They're probably running the case as if it were a Judicial Mediation. |
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Fairley has been charged in relation to four races, Quinn with two, and Milczarek and Fitzsimons to one race each.
That's the surprise for me. |
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Fairley has been charged in relation to four races, Quinn with two, and Milczarek and Fitzsimons to one race each.
That's the surprise for me. |
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If they are found guilty they should have lifetime bans
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The lack of press does not have to be agreed by both sides. In fact those charged will have had no say in the matter.
The vast majority of BHA disciplinary hearings are held behind closed doors and you will get a press release tweeted by Struthers when the panel paid for by the BHA give their reasons. The BHA is a secretive organisation . |
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TRD they will be found guilty, the Judge,Prosecutor and Jury are all paid for by the BHA
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Fairley has motive anyway given he was unhappy with his earning capacity at Mark Johnstons.
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One certainly and I think two are the guys who backed Fryboy`s website 2 or 3 years ago. Spammed it like hell on here.
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Jockeys could be banned in new corruption case
BY GRAHAM GREEN racingpost.com JOCKEYS Paul Doe, Greg Fairley, Kirsty Milczarek, Jimmy Quinn and rider-turned-trainer Paul Fitzsimons all face the prospect of being banned from racing following the latest corruption inquiry, which commences at the BHA headquarters in London on Thursday. All five are charged with conspiring to commit a corrupt or fraudulent practice, passing information for reward and deliberately not riding a horse to obtain the best possible placing for personal reward, or in the knowledge it had been laid to lose, an offence for which the penalty is a disqualification of five to 25 years. All insist they are innocent of any wrongdoing concerning the ten races at Lingfield, Wolverhampton, Kempton, Bath and Catterick in 2009 in which horses were laid to lose through exchange accounts with **** and Betfair held by six associates of registered racehorse owners Maurice Sines and James Crickmore, all of whom face corruption charges. The inquiry could not have come at a worse time for the BHA as it grapples to resolve the controversy surrounding the introduction of the new whip rules and penalties. Details of another two corruption cases were due to be made public this week, but the announcement has been delayed with the BHA unwilling to volunteer information guaranteed to bring more negative headlines for the sport. ![]() Ten days have been set aside for the hearing, although, due to the complicated nature of the case, the accused can expect to wait beyond that before learning their fates as the disciplinary panel is likely to require time to consider its verdicts. Fairley faces three charges of intentionally failing to ensure that his horse ran on its merits, Doe two and Quinn, Milczarek and Fitzsimons one each, and all are alleged to have communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange accountholders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind, information relating to the prospects of the horses named. All the jockeys have continued to ride, with differing levels of success, since the charges were announced five months ago when the BHA was compelled to act after rumours of impending prosecutions sparked fevered press speculation and cast a shadow over the whole weighing room. Sines and Crickmore no longer have horses in training, but both are expected to be legally represented at the hearing from which the media is barred from attending. |
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For the life of me i can't see why Paul Kelso used Kieren Fallon's name. I know all the hacks read the Betfair forum so maybe Mr Kelso you would be kind enough to tell me why.
Horse racing's largest corruption inquiry is under starter's orders Five current and former jockeys and a number of businessmen will on Thursday deny charges that they orchestrated one of the largest race-fixing operations ever investigated by the racing authorities. By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing In the most significant case of its kind since the collapse of criminal charges against Kieren Fallon in 2007, 13 people will on Thursday face charges at the British Horseracing Authority’s headquarters in Holborn. The case is among the most complex and costly ever mounted by the BHA, with a number of senior QCs involved in the prosecution and all the accused expected to contest the charges. It is alleged that two licensed owners, Maurice Sines and James Crickmore, were at the heart of a systematic conspiracy to corrupt jockeys to deliberately ride losers to profit on gambling markets. The four jockeys are Paul Doe, Greg Fairley, Jimmy Quinn, and Kirsty Milczarek, who is the girlfriend of former champion jockey, Kieren Fallon. There is no suggestion Fallon is involved in any wrongdoing. Paul Fitzsimons, now a licensed trainer, has also been charged for offences allegedly committed when he was a jockey. Using phone records and betting accounts the BHA prosecution, led by Mark Warby QC, will allege that the jockeys were paid by Sines and Crickmore to ensure that particular horses lost, and to pass inside information to gamblers. They will say the horses were then “laid” to lose on betting exchanges by associates of the businessmen. The charges relate to 10 Flat races run between January and August 2009. Fairley is charged with throwing three races, Doe two, and Quinn, Fitzsimons and Milczarek one each. They are charged with conspiring to commit a corrupt or fraudulent practice; passing information to betting exchange account holders for “material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind”; and intentionally failing to ensure that horses ran on their merits. If found guilty the jockeys and alleged conspirators face lengthy bans from racing of between five and 25 years, with eight years the entry level for deliberately riding to lose. Fitzsimons’s lawyer, Andrew Chalk, said he will deny the charges: “We have informed the BHA that Paul Fitzsimons denies the charges and will be vigorously contesting them,” he said. Milczarek’s solicitor, Christopher Stewart-Moore, said she would also deny the charges. She will be defended at the hearing by Ian Winter QC. The Daily Telegraph understands that the investigation was sparked by reports of suspicious bets from a major bookmaking firm. The bookmaker allegedly told the BHA that a punter had attempted to place a six-figure bet on a horse in one of the races under suspicion, which they believed was a deliberate attempt to lower the odds. A bet of that size would automatically lower the odds across the market, reducing the risk for conspirators planning to back the horse to lose. Sines and Crickmore have held shares in more than a dozen horses since 2004 and in March Sines was reported to have spent £130,000 on a colt at the Kempton breeze-up sale, the highest price paid for any lot. The pair are business partners and have extensive interests in static caravan and holiday parks across the south-east and in East Anglia. Sines, who has owned homes in the affluent Berkshire towns of Old Windsor and Virginia Water, has previously been accused of intimidating residents on mobile home parks he owns, charges he denied. In 2005 residents of Ladycroft Park in Blewbury, Oxfordshire obtained a court order against him in which he agreed not to threaten, abuse or harass residents, and not to block sales. In 2006 local MP Ed Vazey told Parliament in 2006 that he had made residents’ lives “a living hell” through intimidation. Sines did not respond to attempts to contact him on Wednesday. Crickmore told The Daily Telegraph he did not want to comment on the case. Six other men are charged conspiring to commit a corrupt or fraudulent practice. Among them are Peter and Nick Gold, thought to be father and son, who will be defended by Jonathan Caplan QC, who led the failed prosecution case in the Fallon trial. Nick Gold, 39, is executive chairman of PALCO Ltd, a plastics firm, and runs Nick Gold Investments. According to the company’s website, which was disabled on Wednesday, Nick Gold Investments has interests in 33 companies and has conducted “over £300 million of transactions in the last three years”, specialising in “difficult deals and investing in challenging businesses”. Gold did not respond to attempts to contact him on Wednesday. The others accused are Shaun Harris, David Kendrick, Darren May and Liam Vasey. The BHA 10-day hearing, which is closed to the media, is expected to finish on Nov 3, with verdicts expected around a fortnight later |
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It actually vexes me to see Kirsty Milczarek's name involved in this.
Remember around 3-4 years, Kirsty and Hayley Turner had very similiar profiles. Hayley was champion apprentice round then but Kirsty had become the first lady jockey to ride a treble and her claim was running out fast. Fast forward 3 years. One is now probably in the top 10/15 sought after jockeys in the UK, the other is looking at jail. Could have been so different for Kirsty, but she lacked Hayley's constitution. As for the other names involved in this, Fairley is the only one remotely decent. If they all get lifetime bans, would the racing public really miss any of them? I don't think so. |
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The way I see things is this, any and every jockey that has ever ridden has, at some stage or other in their career, been persuaded/encouraged/hinted/cajoled and willingly gone on to prevent a horse from achieving its true finishing position.
If there is a jockey out there who can truthfully deny this then he/she walks on water because it would be impossible to go through a career without having 'pulled' a horse. Even though the act does not materially affect the outcome of a race and no-one has lost financially and it only serves to gain a handicap advantage at a later date, the simple fact is that every jockey will have maintained/improved their career by going with the flow. The only reason the above parties have been singled out for scrutiny is because allegedly money was involved and when big business and money fall into the equation then the authorities are always quick to defend their chums. If Betfair are ever so keen to be the saviours of horse racing and the vigilantes of the betting markets then how come they only shop certain individuals when pretty much the same goings-on take place every day of the week? |
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this seems to have taken an absolute age to get to this stage, it must be a year since they announced they were investigating
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KIRSTY WAS ALOVELY FOCUSED GIRL TILL SHE GOT WITH YOU KNOW WHO
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I remember her being interviewed on ATR a coupleof years ago and agree with dave that she seemed really level-headed.
She mentioned that she was going back to Ireland to spend Christmas with her family but somehow upon her return her riding became very indifferent. |
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Kirsty could have used her pretty looks to help raise her profile - just as Hayley did - but instead she used them to try and get a slice of Fallon's riches !!
The big difference between this lot's case and Fallon's case is that Fallon had an infinite amount of riding talent. Which meant a lot of things. 1) He had the backing of Coolmore who could gaurantee him the best legal team in the UK. 2) The racing public felt an affection towards him. 3) Those in racing circles, trainers, owners, felt similiarly. He was never going to go down as too many people would miss him. With this sorry bunch, nobody will miss them. I think that's the crucial difference. If there is a shred of guilt, then it is far easier to make an example of this lot than Fallon. |
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Anyway.....
Even if they get time.. History shows us the BHA, GC and Betfair, will all let them keep the money they won by laying the non triers.... so they will get a holiday..... but with our money to use as spending money.... |