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i still think you're fishing
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Gerry you really are the horses arse.I am off now because I really cannot take in any more of your bullshit.I will let others who are far more qualified than myself to have a "pop" at you.£25000 deposit when you buy a horse..I ask you !
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Nice sentiment Jerry but completely unrealistic,£25 k per head for registered horses or for all produced? How many acres and sanctuaries do you propose for the annual "wastage"?
Not knocking the sentiment for one minute but totally unrealistic. Better to start slaughtering in situ and banning live transportation imo. |
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homefortea 18 Oct 11 21:35
Gerry you really are the horses arse.I am off now because I really cannot take in any more of your bullshit.I will let others who are far more qualified than myself to have a "pop" at you.£25000 deposit when you buy a horse..I ask you ! Just who do you think this excludes? elise - why do you think I'm fishing? Do you think it's too radical, or impossible to implement something like this? |
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Glentoby
Cheers. Maybe the £25k welfare deposit is too high but why not aim for something more modest to start with - say £10k? By agreeing to stump up a not inconsiderable chunk of cash, and having it tied up for a period, an owner would at least be demonstrating that they have considered, and are taking the horse's welfare seriously. Btw I agree, although far from ideal, slaughtering in-situ would be preferable to the live transportation. |
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Hooks blunted or nets torn?[;)]
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radical, no actually, i think it's possible to introduce a scheme
i'd see a small tax on all levels of breeding, sales, ownership in this country going to help support a number of equine retirement centres, retraining or rehoming operations as opposed to the charity based support currently but then i might be fishing too |
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Gallbladder...Do you think that a buyer of a horse at auction that costs over the £600 (dining quality) will pay an extra £25000 to ensure it's welfare ? What you propose is to ensure 95% of all horses bred on these fair Islands will end up on the end of a knife and fork.Now I really do have something better to do than engage with a half-wit
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I realise that there could be some logistical problems in implementing such a scheme, but since most people on the forum seem to violently agree that the welfare of the horse is paramount, then surely it's worth considering?
No its not worth considering even for a millisecond in fact its stark staring mad HTH |
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elise - I like your 'pay as you own' idea (and hope you're not fishing). Shunts the admin / bureaucracy to the revenue and collections system as well (which could be good or bad). Have you submitted your thoughts to the RFC mob?
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i saw one of theose japanese super trawlers once, they can stay at sea for weeks, huge things
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Gerry the bottom line is that few owners will even insure a horse that has little future value unless they have paid in excess of £20k for the purchase.
Sad but realistic economics can be found in vehicle insurance stats,why pay £1k pa for a car worth £400? Only two horses I can think of in the public psyche that were guaranteed a future outside of racing were Dessie and Red Rum.The flat game is different for the top end,the bottom end however end up over jumps and then? I cannot see a problem where horses are slaughtered for meat,UK or anywhere but welfare issues are paramount.The fact is though the biggest wastage comes from the wealthiest owners and studs. The thoroughbred is a commercial product and that will never change,btw I forgot about the other dashing grey who was nursed back from almost certain death. Too many to save and the kindest way is to give the failures a quick dispatch and eat them where possible,sad but practical.  |
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homefortea - you haven't considered that the resultant drop in demand for racehorses would mean that the current level of breeding would also be scaled down? Breeders simply won't breed horses that no one wannts to buy (they certainly won't continue breeding so that they can sell animals for £600 apiece to a Belgian meat trader)
ranader - thanks. I notice you didn't put forward an alternative. Do you not have any ideas or should I stick you in the 'couldn't give a **** about horse welfare' camp? |
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Glantoby
Monets Garden - very good news about him. I understand all the points you're making. What I'm saying (and everyone seems to be in agreement with this bit) is that my scheme, because of the welfare deposit, would deter quite a few from entering the ownership game altogether. Those who do still enter would have stumped up the welfare deposit - they couldn't own a racehorse unles they had. The net impact of less owners would ultimately be smaller scale breeding programmes, while the net impact of the welfare deposits would be that horses have some form of retirement (guaranteed if you like) post racing. |
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bloody good haul tbf
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Cheers for your input everyone and despite what the doubters say, I wasn't fishing! I'm going to give my idea some more thought but don't be surprised if you see it (or something similar) pop up on RFC's programme of new initiatives.
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Gerry is RFC.
 That explains it all. |
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I've had some feckin' insults on here but that.....
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Really Fine Chap ?
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Running for cover...
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Simplified version of a long story gerry.
A tariff of £200 at birth and £20 per month subsequently per foal.At 2yo £200 + £200 if it ever runs with the £20 pm continuing until death. For every foal registered,all to be used for equine welfare post racing days.More practical,more affordable and non refundable. Btw I have inherited a leg of a decent horse this week,with HRA.[;)] |
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Glantoby
Nice idea and rather like elise's earlier suggestion, probably a more practical solution than my own. Whack it in to the RFC mob would be my suggestion - god knows it's light years ahead of anything else they've implemented. I can't recall exactly, but I think I read on another thread that your father passed away this week. Condolences if that is the case and apolgies if I've got it wrong. I'm guessing that this might be how you've come to inherit a share in a good one with Sir Henry. Hope it does well for you - I'm sure that's what your Dad would have wanted! |
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* Glentoby (apols - twice I've got wrong now)
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why not charge owners a few quid every time they make an entry ?
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Passed away early hours Friday gerry but he loved this forum for the banter,degenerative battle.
Anyway,many thanks to all,you all contributed,daft or not it all helped. Now you are just left with me.[;)][;)][;)][;)] GC is all I can give you,as he is/was my mums and always will be,he will be ok forever.[;)]   |
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Another possibility although owners with horses that are frequently entered up would end up sunsidising others? (David Evans and his owners would probably have a thing or two to say)
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On that sad note I'm turning in. All the best GT.
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Gerry
[;)]Cheers,start of the Wake today and finishing some time Saturday,might even become Catholic. Sure beats the hell out of islam imo,unless someone can confirm all those virgins waiting? Megsy,ima,educeeee...........true?..........or not?  |