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didnt they...just the severity of bans they are complaing about and want changed....
although perhaps if they hadnt abused the old rules so much they may have been able to keep them....
now out of their hands....
BAN THE WHIP TOTALLY.
although perhaps if they hadnt abused the old rules so much they may have been able to keep them....
now out of their hands....
BAN THE WHIP TOTALLY.
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then they can revert ot their horsemanship skills workrider......if they have any...
rather than brute force....
or jump off....some seem to be quite good at that.
rather than brute force....
or jump off....some seem to be quite good at that.
Or try sitting on one that wants to run straight only the stupid feckin' jockey wants to thrash it into submission...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfOng-jaIh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfOng-jaIh0
specifing whips will never work imo.
like u say, what happens when u use the, up and the horse tries to run out, if leaning in to a likely winner which may result in an accident or a horse losing a v important race like the derby.
if this happens EVEN ONCE its too much, all because the jockey couldnt correct his mount.
now u have a knock on affect were u have furious connections who should have a derby winner in their care but because a horse impeded them , another horse came along a mugged them!how costly financially would this one incident cost? all because the jockey on the wayward horse used up his whips earlier in the race!
absolutey insane!! the bha need to be investigated, right now, they are not a competent organisation!
like u say, what happens when u use the, up and the horse tries to run out, if leaning in to a likely winner which may result in an accident or a horse losing a v important race like the derby.
if this happens EVEN ONCE its too much, all because the jockey couldnt correct his mount.
now u have a knock on affect were u have furious connections who should have a derby winner in their care but because a horse impeded them , another horse came along a mugged them!how costly financially would this one incident cost? all because the jockey on the wayward horse used up his whips earlier in the race!
absolutey insane!! the bha need to be investigated, right now, they are not a competent organisation!
...i would like a total whip ban.......
...not sure why this is such an outragous statement........no one has whips and will be a level playing field....
...no bans required........
wont be as bad as people think...only in my opinion of course.
...not sure why this is such an outragous statement........no one has whips and will be a level playing field....
...no bans required........
wont be as bad as people think...only in my opinion of course.
Except that we would be a laughing-stock worldwide egner.
AND you could say goodbye to the GN in 5 years,to all jumps racing in 10 and to flat racing in 20.
AND you could say goodbye to the GN in 5 years,to all jumps racing in 10 and to flat racing in 20.
there will never be a total ban, they are a tool used for safety as much as encouragement!
If the whip is rly painful peoples need to ban it, if it isn't there rly shouldn't be any restrictions at all.
...the safety argument just doesnt wash in my opinion......
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically.
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically.
should the BHA arrange a no whip meeting,trial it see what happens
good idea 11kv........maybe a couple of weeks would be better though......
give everyone a chance to get used to it....and neagate the fact that those against may try to throw a spanner in the works on the said meeting.
give everyone a chance to get used to it....and neagate the fact that those against may try to throw a spanner in the works on the said meeting.
I posted a while back that whips should be banned altogether and god ridiculed
It really upset me and I now have councelling.
To all of those that larfed , "WHERE ARE YOU NOW" I was right , right I tell ya
It really upset me and I now have councelling.
To all of those that larfed , "WHERE ARE YOU NOW" I was right , right I tell ya
aye
knee jerk reactions on here ,after all its only the jocks who are affected
will all settle down ,may even find the horses respond better to not being beaten day in day out.
although I am not against the use of the whip I dont like to see a gambled on horse beaten to ensure it does the biz after its been ridden quietly for its last couple of outings,but the BHA dont sort that out do they.
knee jerk reactions on here ,after all its only the jocks who are affected
will all settle down ,may even find the horses respond better to not being beaten day in day out.
although I am not against the use of the whip I dont like to see a gambled on horse beaten to ensure it does the biz after its been ridden quietly for its last couple of outings,but the BHA dont sort that out do they.
...no 11KV....they dont sort much out i guess..
..i agree will all settle down and not be as bad as everyone thinks.....
..might be more difficult to land "gambles" as you say....
perhaps thats one of the issues they have !!!!!!
..i agree will all settle down and not be as bad as everyone thinks.....
..might be more difficult to land "gambles" as you say....
perhaps thats one of the issues they have !!!!!!
egner: "...the safety argument just doesnt wash in my opinion......
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically. "
I assume you have probably never ridden a horse, and certainly not a racehorse ?
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically. "
I assume you have probably never ridden a horse, and certainly not a racehorse ?
well if the whip really is the problem then it should be banned altogether!!
i mean if the bha are limiting the amount of whips because of the horses welfare, then surely more than one hit with the whip is deemed too much!
like brother mou said, ban it altogether or as many as a jockey likes!!
theyre foam ffs.
i mean if the bha are limiting the amount of whips because of the horses welfare, then surely more than one hit with the whip is deemed too much!
like brother mou said, ban it altogether or as many as a jockey likes!!
theyre foam ffs.
Would love to get him on a 2yo that had just been broken in
and by as many as a jock likes i mean within reason, allowing the horse to respond!!
just reinstate the old rules and forget this ever happened!
just reinstate the old rules and forget this ever happened!
no 11kv but i saw ted walsh use one on a colluges hand live on tv and they didnt even flinch!!
theyre not that bad!!
theyre not that bad!!
thought that may come up willow.....
i have ridden horses......not racehorse though
and so obv not raced at 40 mph ...
..if all this makes my opinion invalid than so be it i guess.....
but my opinion stands.....no whip....level playing field....no need for bans.....
you may even get horses running straighter if not being wwhipped when they are effectively exhausted.
i have ridden horses......not racehorse though
and so obv not raced at 40 mph ...
..if all this makes my opinion invalid than so be it i guess.....
but my opinion stands.....no whip....level playing field....no need for bans.....
you may even get horses running straighter if not being wwhipped when they are effectively exhausted.
Saftey issue a red herring. Jocks will always be able to carry whips for correctional purposes, whether they are to be used for encouragement or not.
i judt dont understand the furore!!
why now?
is it because of the outcry from animal activists after this yrs grand national?
it seems that many of the complaints are from OUTSIDE the industry from people that dont know anything about the welfare or conditions of the horses!
surely if it was THAT bad something wouldve been done by know, nearly 2012.
if a jockey marks a horse then fair enough, suspend them!
why now?
is it because of the outcry from animal activists after this yrs grand national?
it seems that many of the complaints are from OUTSIDE the industry from people that dont know anything about the welfare or conditions of the horses!
surely if it was THAT bad something wouldve been done by know, nearly 2012.
if a jockey marks a horse then fair enough, suspend them!
the BHA review group did NOT consider use of the whip a 'welfare issue'
then why are they limiting the amount of whips per race?
that was stated it their report ilwab
there was a perception apparently amongst women and those with no interest in racing that changes were needed.
that was also stated in their report
it has been reproduced on earlier threads
there was a perception apparently amongst women and those with no interest in racing that changes were needed.
that was also stated in their report
it has been reproduced on earlier threads
and is this a legal requirement?
i mean have the RSPCA approached the bha and explained their concerns about the whip?
and are the bha legally bound by what the rspca have to say on the matter?
who has enforced this whip rule? and if its not the rspca, then why have the bha changed it if they arent concerned that the whip is causing harm!
i mean have the RSPCA approached the bha and explained their concerns about the whip?
and are the bha legally bound by what the rspca have to say on the matter?
who has enforced this whip rule? and if its not the rspca, then why have the bha changed it if they arent concerned that the whip is causing harm!
apologies renader, didnt see the other threads!
Have the RSPCA provided input into how many times it is ok to whip a horse then? Presumably they have been consulted and they have confirmed that 7 is fine? Or is this just a first step to getting it down to zero?
even the idea that the rspca have specified a specific number of whips is just ludicrous imo.
surely if u feel the whip is the problem, then u fight fo the removal of the whip instead of ....'u know what, 7 is fine, make it 7'.
just silly imo and undermines their argument!
surely if u feel the whip is the problem, then u fight fo the removal of the whip instead of ....'u know what, 7 is fine, make it 7'.
just silly imo and undermines their argument!
I have been wacked with one stung a little but consider the skin,muscle etc and a ton of horse thats what I would expect,
as you say have the RSPCA commented on this............?
as you say have the RSPCA commented on this............?
theres too many of them ILWAB.nobody can be expected to read them all
The RSPCA have zero authority, and they don't give a feck about horses FACT
they refuse to care for them so they either get taken in by animal sanctuaries (my old dear works at one) destroyed (the RSPCA's preferred method) or they end up on a plate.
they refuse to care for them so they either get taken in by animal sanctuaries (my old dear works at one) destroyed (the RSPCA's preferred method) or they end up on a plate.
egner, forgive me for saying this, but you seem to have given less practical and intellectual thought to your request for a total ban than I would have expected from a man of your calibre.
I take it you are not used to riding horses?
I take it you are not used to riding horses?
if thats true brother mou then i take it the bha have taken it upon themselves to change the rule and if they arent changing it for the welfare of the horses(as they dont believe the whip is the problem) then why the fack have he specified a number allowed?
ffs!
ffs!
A statement from the RSPCA confirmed that they do not believe the cushioned whip causes any hurt to the animal whatsoever.
egner is a sandal wearing bunny hugger who wouldnt know a horses head from a horses arss
Of course he is fishing.
I like renge - he is good fun ...
But to start this thread at this current time was a tad irresponsible, mate.
I like renge - he is good fun ...
But to start this thread at this current time was a tad irresponsible, mate.
let him fish, its nice to talk about horse racing on here for once!
i like you as well onlooker but i will have to take the brickbats on this.....
its my deeply held view.....certainly not fishing.
its my deeply held view.....certainly not fishing.
It's a genuine fact ilwab, they destroy animals due to "lack of funds" (even though they are building a multi miliion quid new hq) and they have no more legal powers than you or I.
I'm genuinely seeeething
I'm genuinely seeeething
..there were around 800 breaches of the old whip rules in 2010....
rail against my opinion for a total ben if you like...but things cannot revert to the way they were when jockey were in such flagrant breach and downright disrespect of the rules.
rail against my opinion for a total ben if you like...but things cannot revert to the way they were when jockey were in such flagrant breach and downright disrespect of the rules.
...they have brought this on themselves........utter disgrace....
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_horse/ALL/2431//
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_horse/ALL/2431//
"Animal Aid will continue to press for the BHA to be stripped of its regulatory function with regard to horse welfare. We will also continue mobilising public support for a total ban on the use of the whip in racing"
So why are the bha talking to them again?
So why are the bha talking to them again?
McCoy, the Grand National winning, 16-time champion jump jockey, added: ‘The Professional Jockeys Association has worked closely with the Authority on the BHA review and I hope my colleagues will embrace the proposed changes as they are in the best interest of the sport. I, for one, support the changes.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2042321/Frankie-Dettori-AP-M...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2042321/Frankie-Dettori-AP-M...
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