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didnt they...just the severity of bans they are complaing about and want changed....
although perhaps if they hadnt abused the old rules so much they may have been able to keep them....
now out of their hands....
BAN THE WHIP TOTALLY.
although perhaps if they hadnt abused the old rules so much they may have been able to keep them....
now out of their hands....
BAN THE WHIP TOTALLY.
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rubbish ...try sitting on a wayward one mate....
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then they can revert ot their horsemanship skills workrider......if they have any...
rather than brute force.... or jump off....some seem to be quite good at that. |
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Or try sitting on one that wants to run straight only the stupid feckin' jockey wants to thrash it into submission...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfOng-jaIh0 |
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the usual suspects have arrived .....
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Ah! This must be the McCririck thread.
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specifing whips will never work imo.
like u say, what happens when u use the, up and the horse tries to run out, if leaning in to a likely winner which may result in an accident or a horse losing a v important race like the derby. if this happens EVEN ONCE its too much, all because the jockey couldnt correct his mount. now u have a knock on affect were u have furious connections who should have a derby winner in their care but because a horse impeded them , another horse came along a mugged them!how costly financially would this one incident cost? all because the jockey on the wayward horse used up his whips earlier in the race! absolutey insane!! the bha need to be investigated, right now, they are not a competent organisation! |
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* when u use up your whips
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...i would like a total whip ban.......
...not sure why this is such an outragous statement........no one has whips and will be a level playing field.... ...no bans required........ wont be as bad as people think...only in my opinion of course. |
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Except that we would be a laughing-stock worldwide egner.
AND you could say goodbye to the GN in 5 years,to all jumps racing in 10 and to flat racing in 20. |
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there will never be a total ban, they are a tool used for safety as much as encouragement!
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If the whip is rly painful peoples need to ban it, if it isn't there rly shouldn't be any restrictions at all.
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...the safety argument just doesnt wash in my opinion......
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically. |
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should the BHA arrange a no whip meeting,trial it see what happens
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good idea 11kv........maybe a couple of weeks would be better though......
give everyone a chance to get used to it....and neagate the fact that those against may try to throw a spanner in the works on the said meeting. |
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I posted a while back that whips should be banned altogether and god ridiculed
It really upset me and I now have councelling. To all of those that larfed , "WHERE ARE YOU NOW" I was right , right I tell ya |
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This is commonly known as the Fishing thread
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aye
knee jerk reactions on here ,after all its only the jocks who are affected will all settle down ,may even find the horses respond better to not being beaten day in day out. although I am not against the use of the whip I dont like to see a gambled on horse beaten to ensure it does the biz after its been ridden quietly for its last couple of outings,but the BHA dont sort that out do they. |
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no...not this time sandyboy.
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...no 11KV....they dont sort much out i guess..
..i agree will all settle down and not be as bad as everyone thinks..... ..might be more difficult to land "gambles" as you say.... perhaps thats one of the issues they have !!!!!! |
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egner: "...the safety argument just doesnt wash in my opinion......
...in many cases it causes the horse to veer more erratically. " I assume you have probably never ridden a horse, and certainly not a racehorse ? |
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well if the whip really is the problem then it should be banned altogether!!
i mean if the bha are limiting the amount of whips because of the horses welfare, then surely more than one hit with the whip is deemed too much! like brother mou said, ban it altogether or as many as a jockey likes!! theyre foam ffs. |
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Would love to get him on a 2yo that had just been broken in
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and by as many as a jock likes i mean within reason, allowing the horse to respond!!
just reinstate the old rules and forget this ever happened! |
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you ever been hit with one ilike ?
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no 11kv but i saw ted walsh use one on a colluges hand live on tv and they didnt even flinch!!
theyre not that bad!! |
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You cant drive a car without a stearing wheel
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thought that may come up willow.....
i have ridden horses......not racehorse though and so obv not raced at 40 mph ... ..if all this makes my opinion invalid than so be it i guess..... but my opinion stands.....no whip....level playing field....no need for bans..... you may even get horses running straighter if not being wwhipped when they are effectively exhausted. |
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I agree with mange, ilwab and egner
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Saftey issue a red herring. Jocks will always be able to carry whips for correctional purposes, whether they are to be used for encouragement or not.
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And what do you do when they wont go round a bend?
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i judt dont understand the furore!!
why now? is it because of the outcry from animal activists after this yrs grand national? it seems that many of the complaints are from OUTSIDE the industry from people that dont know anything about the welfare or conditions of the horses! surely if it was THAT bad something wouldve been done by know, nearly 2012. if a jockey marks a horse then fair enough, suspend them! |
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the BHA review group did NOT consider use of the whip a 'welfare issue'
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then why are they limiting the amount of whips per race?
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Becasue the RSPCA do.
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'Because'
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that was stated it their report ilwab
there was a perception apparently amongst women and those with no interest in racing that changes were needed. that was also stated in their report it has been reproduced on earlier threads |
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and is this a legal requirement?
i mean have the RSPCA approached the bha and explained their concerns about the whip? and are the bha legally bound by what the rspca have to say on the matter? who has enforced this whip rule? and if its not the rspca, then why have the bha changed it if they arent concerned that the whip is causing harm! |
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Have the RSPCA provided input into how many times it is ok to whip a horse then? Presumably they have been consulted and they have confirmed that 7 is fine? Or is this just a first step to getting it down to zero?
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apologies renader, didnt see the other threads!
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