Wales 3rd favs for the six Nations..Xmas come early

This does seem big. Who is the 3/1 with?

must have found out Alain Roland is referring the Wales games[>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o]

dont get carried away , wales lost to an ordinary sa side , and just about beat the samoans, good performance to beat an ageing irish team, and even though outplayed france , they still lost and imo worse french side ive seen, so their performance not as magnificent as many seem to think

As opposed to

England , who beat an average Atgentina side after being outplayed completely, scraped thru against the Scots who are everage AT BEST again after veing outplayed , got mullered by the very same French team who would have been smashed up by a full Welsh team.

France who lost 2 games in the group stage against Tonga ffs then got battered for 1 hour v the Welsh with 1 man less cos that is what France do.

Ireland who are too old and did well to beat the Aussies but were clear second best to Wales and will be for years until they build a younger side.

Scots , no chance

Ditto Italy

So your point would be valid IF they were playing the World Cup again but they ARE NOT.

The opposition id shiit at a time where Wales are producing a very good YOUNG squad that can ONLY get better.

I think the 3/1 with Billies is one of the biggest wricks I have seen in years.

I already have a sizeable bet and will continue to back with other events , imo near the time they will be sub 2/1 when the interest gets going.

No way in a million years can you put ANY of the six nations teams in front of them, win lose or draw this is the wrong PRICE.

dive in and bet like men

England where hardly mullered by France, had they not made so many silly mistakes they would of beat them in my opinion but managed to mess it up themselves.

Perhaps the reason Wales are not favourites is the fact they have to come over here and play us in the Aviva and they have to go to Twickenham too. Yes they have the French at home but they will do well to beat both Ireland and England away from home.

I am so proud of the way our lads played in the World Cup, and we have tons of talent..... however I have also seen us shoot ourselves in the foot many many times before (not least the Ruddock departure, just months after our 2005 GS)... and consequently am very wary about getting involved so far away from the off.

good luck with your bets and come on Wales

Agree with Reimer about those away fixtures. Two wins will be very difficult, even with this talent.

I reckon Wales can lose one and still win it though

I can't see Eng winning in Paris in a million years.

Ireland MUST now re build with a younger core, I absolutely respect them and love the team and thier passion , Brian O'D is my very close friends cousin so I always root for him too. but I think they need to do what Wales have BEEN doing for 2 years now in getting younger and fitter as to my eye they ran out of steam a little.

It is easy to simply dismiss this Wales team as a falsh in the pan but again to my eye they have been wonderfull and now play at a pace other 6 nations teams won't be able to live with.

England need a NZ coach to get rid if this anti rugby shiit they are playing as they have some real talent but are too big and too slow and way too predictable to defend.

Hey it's not a 1/5 shot but to NOT be fav is wrong wrong wrong based on what we KNOW.

These boys will also be playing ANGRY and will have an extra step imo.

Like I said on the rugger forum , if you asked 100 people who follow rugby but dont bet who is fav for the 6 nations I believe 90 of them would say Wales

If you asked 100 Experts I think that number would be higher listening to the like of B Moore who is one of the brightest minds around regarding the game and Fitzy too who reckons its a 10's onn shot

Value is value and I think the price is wrong

Ask yourself if you would like to lay the 3/1 , I know I wouldn't

i think 3/1 is about right

The full list of fixtures for 2012 is:

February 4: France v Italy, 2.30pm and Scotland v England, 5pm

February 5: Ireland v Wales, 3pm

February 11: Italy v England, 4pm and France v Ireland, 8pm

February 12: Wales v Scotland, 3pm

February 25: Ireland v Italy, 1.30pm and England v Wales, 4pm

February 26: Scotland v France, 3pm

March 10: Wales v Italy, 2.30pm and Ireland v Scotland, 5pm

March 11: France v England, 3pm

March 17: Italy v Scotland 12.30pm, Wales v France, 2.45pm and England v Ireland, 5pm

I would love to know the case for the other 2 shorter priced teams rev.

Remember England haven't won a Grand Slam since Piggott cliamed 5lbs and capitulated in Ireland last year in pityful fashion and it would take a vivid imagination to see France win in Wales if that was the decider.

I think it will come down to that game tbh mate.

Eng only have 2 home games , one of which is vs Wales so have it all to do and I just don't see Ireland being strong enough with this team , I think Wales were far far better than them in the WC and played at a diff level and tempo

Eng away to Scot is no gimme

maximum pts for france from ist 3 games, then should take the pts home to england, a defeat at wales could still see them win the championship, get on them for grand slam and lay before the cardiff trip

ps thanks for that bjg

Am waitin to see if Lievremont gets the boot after sunday! And Eng could be intrestin if johnson gets the boot

I like Wales too but the price is right i think - No bet for me till the dust settles after the WC, will get a book goin the start of the new year

Zippi - wouldn't your better bet in these circumstances simply be to Lay 2nd favs England at less than 5/2 if they can't win it ?

personally though i thought the 1st 30 mins the french played v england   id say its the best of the world cup so far

To 104%

France 2/1
England 3/1
Wales 3/1
Ireland 5/1
Scotland 25/1
Italy 500/1

My own pricing - if Lievremont is still in charge of the French id push em out to 5/2, if he goes id have em 7/4
Johnson out Eng prob 11/4 - if he stays 10/3
Ireland(the green blinkers on) could prob be pushed out to 7s with 2 tough away fixtures at Twickenham and in France
Wales wont have it all their own way in the Aviva and Twickenham either and think 3/1 is about right

But no bet for me till the dust settles anyway, gl

Mmm people getting abit hung up on the Ireland been old card Gatland excuted the perfect plan more than the Irish been old.  Heslip, Bowe, Healy, Cronin Sexton, Earls etc are all in their mid 20's how is that old? Age for age they probably are the same as Wales

Irish rugby has plenty of young blood coming in through the ranks just look at Leinsters programmeIm fairly sure I'll be watching a different match in the Aviva

Zippie England did the Grand Slam in 03

Rory Best     Hooker     15 August 1982 (age 29)     54     Ireland Ulster
Sean Cronin     Hooker     6 May 1986 (age 25)     15     Ireland Leinster
Damien Varley     Hooker     29 October 1983 (age 27)     2     Ireland Munster
Tony Buckley     Prop     8 August 1980 (age 31)     25     England Sale Sharks
Tom Court     Prop     6 November 1980 (age 30)     24     Ireland Ulster
Cian Healy     Prop     7 October 1987 (age 24)     25     Ireland Leinster
Mike Ross     Prop     21 December 1979 (age 31)     15     Ireland Leinster
Leo Cullen     Lock     9 January 1978 (age 33)     32     Ireland Leinster
Donncha O'Callaghan     Lock     24 March 1979 (age 32)     80     Ireland Munster
Paul O'Connell (vc)     Lock     20 October 1979 (age 31)     82     Ireland Munster
Donnacha Ryan     Lock     11 December 1983 (age 27)     13     Ireland Munster
Stephen Ferris     Flanker     2 August 1985 (age 26)     30     Ireland Ulster
Shane Jennings     Flanker     8 July 1981 (age 30)     12     Ireland Leinster
Sean O'Brien     Flanker     14 February 1987 (age 24)     15     Ireland Leinster
Jamie Heaslip     Number 8     15 December 1983 (age 27)     43     Ireland Leinster
Denis Leamy     Number 8     27 November 1981 (age 29)     57     Ireland Munster
Isaac Boss     Scrum-half     9 April 1980 (age 31)     15     Ireland Leinster
Conor Murray     Scrum-half     20 April 1989 (age 22)     6     Ireland Munster
Eoin Reddan     Scrum-half     20 November 1980 (age 30)     37     Ireland Leinster
Ronan O'Gara     Fly-half     7 March 1977 (age 34)     116     Ireland Munster
Jonathan Sexton     Fly-half     11 July 1985 (age 26)     24     Ireland Leinster
Gordon D'Arcy     Centre     10 February 1980 (age 31)     63     Ireland Leinster
Fergus McFadden     Centre     17 June 1986 (age 25)     6     Ireland Leinster
Brian O'Driscoll (c)     Centre     21 January 1979 (age 32)     117     Ireland Leinster
Paddy Wallace     Centre     27 August 1979 (age 32)     29     Ireland Ulster
Tommy Bowe     Wing     22 February 1984 (age 27)     44     Wales Ospreys
Keith Earls     Wing     2 October 1987 (age 24)     26     Ireland Munster
Andrew Trimble     Wing     20 October 1984 (age 26)     41     Ireland Ulster
Rob Kearney     Fullback     26 March 1986 (age 25)     33     Ireland Leinster
Geordan Murphy     Fullback     19 April 1978 (age 33)     72     England Leicester Tigers

Decent blend of youth and experience imo - hopefully any possible retirements are put off till after the 6N

Rather than lay Eng alun I would Dutch France & Wales for a better value bet as I canny see Ireland winning it at all.

I believe if Jonno stays Eng are a 7 or 8/1 poke , if he leaves they need to go for flair as the game has changed in the last few years.

If they play safe and go for Ashton or his like they will be same old same old. No way Clive will come back , he revels in the legendary status and has too many gigs now including the Olympics.

The French have Eng & Wales last 2 games which is tough enough.

I see Wales winning comfortably in Ireland 7 - 12 pts then smashing up Italy & Scotland , the key game is away at Twickers which will be 4/5 Eng 11/10 Wales

If they lose then it will hinge on the France game and tie break is Head to Head I believe which means if Wales then beat France they win.

I will have a niddle for the Grand Slam with a save on France Grand Slam as they could come to Wales unbeaten as elise rightly points out.

Wales 3/1 to win the 6 nations

Wales for Grand Slam ?
France for Grand Slam ? could be a nice position come the last game.

I think it will be an intreguing 6 nations with the fallout from the WC

Eng have to rebound as they are a shambolic mess

Ire need to get younger

Wales need to consolidate and prove they are what they seem

And France need to go fukkk themselves the garlic munching / striking surrender merchants

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Zippie England did the Grand Slam in 03

Sorry , since Piggott claimed 3lbs then

Phillipe Saint Andre has already been appointed as the new French coach after the world cup .

ill let you guys into a lil secret , aslong as you dont ruin it for everyone by wanting £100+ a time on it(common ssense guys , most people think £100 is alot of money and will ring traders so small bets the best way to go and build it up)

in hills wales are 11/2 on screen and in there system
in c0ral wales are 5/1 in system

enjoy !!!