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... to watch video replays of how much 'persuasion' or not your proposed selection has required to get into races, prior to the new rules?
Have you changed your betting choices based on how easy your horse travels through the field or are you still just following your same old method?
I would have thought that it's not just jockeys that need to be aware of and adapt to the changes but also trainers and punters alike.
Have you changed your betting choices based on how easy your horse travels through the field or are you still just following your same old method?
I would have thought that it's not just jockeys that need to be aware of and adapt to the changes but also trainers and punters alike.
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We might see less horses being smacked for making jumping errors early in races in future. Good point though, some horses that need to be kept in order will be penalised compared to the genuine ones. Is that a bad thing?
can understand the 1 in 100 case, but never understand why a jock gives a horse a smack after making a mistake.
Most of the time, fault lies with poor schooling by the trainer at home or presentation error by the jockey in the race
Most of the time, fault lies with poor schooling by the trainer at home or presentation error by the jockey in the race
I agree sageform, that the indiscriminate use of the whip during races will be replaced with more considered and skilful horsemanship.
Hopefully those cracks we witness being applied by virtue of the rider's frustration and failure to be in the right position when approaching fences will be eliminated.
I also think that horses that have normally needed to be held up and given a few 'reminders' will possibly be trained to be ridden closer to the pace though over a period of time either training methods will alter or we will see a different type of horse being purchased and the old breed will gradually become redundant.
Hopefully those cracks we witness being applied by virtue of the rider's frustration and failure to be in the right position when approaching fences will be eliminated.
I also think that horses that have normally needed to be held up and given a few 'reminders' will possibly be trained to be ridden closer to the pace though over a period of time either training methods will alter or we will see a different type of horse being purchased and the old breed will gradually become redundant.
I have found one today that seems to require 2 smack of whip to get started in the race so its all ready at a disadvantage, under 5-1 for win too.
When does Harchibald's comeback start?
2012 Champion Hurdle anyone?
2012 Champion Hurdle anyone?
do strikes "before" a race has started count?
What if the jock or trainer gives their horse a smack in the pre-parade or paddock to get them warmed up?
What if the jock or trainer gives their horse a smack in the pre-parade or paddock to get them warmed up?
its not before the race has started, if it was would be false start as he would be off before the rest.
sorry pedro see what you mean, you know that people are going to look at ways of manipulating the rules.
if it's a false start, Tree, then the race has not started so the strikes do NOT count surely?
What provision has the BHA made for post-race analysis of video replays to scientifically study whether horses are receiving more kicks in the belly now.
After all they have a scientific veterinary professor on their committee so I imagine he has commissioned someone to evaluate this aspect of race-riding? Or has he?
After all they have a scientific veterinary professor on their committee so I imagine he has commissioned someone to evaluate this aspect of race-riding? Or has he?
i just lay most of ferdy murphys horses this time of year,mostly in the place market.
how this guy had the nerve to come out and talk about the whip rule is beyond me.
perhaps its because is jockeys dont use it until march.
how this guy had the nerve to come out and talk about the whip rule is beyond me.
perhaps its because is jockeys dont use it until march.
pedrobob 16 Oct 11 08:49
can understand the 1 in 100 case, but never understand why a jock gives a horse a smack after making a mistake.
Most of the time, fault lies with poor schooling by the trainer at home or presentation error by the jockey in the race.
In the instances where the horse is being 'idle/lazy' and not concentrating on what its been trained to do.The smack is often administered as a means to wake the horse up or to 'buck up its ideas' !
can understand the 1 in 100 case, but never understand why a jock gives a horse a smack after making a mistake.
Most of the time, fault lies with poor schooling by the trainer at home or presentation error by the jockey in the race.
In the instances where the horse is being 'idle/lazy' and not concentrating on what its been trained to do.The smack is often administered as a means to wake the horse up or to 'buck up its ideas' !
In which case, wouldn't a bit of group therapy or counselling be just as effective.
LuckyLucan 16 Oct 11 09:28
What provision has the BHA made for post-race analysis of video replays to scientifically study whether horses are receiving more kicks in the belly now.
Good point, Lucky. After they get rid off the whip that'll be next - we'll be having races for apprentices where they have they have to keep their heels still. "Hands only races."
What provision has the BHA made for post-race analysis of video replays to scientifically study whether horses are receiving more kicks in the belly now.
Good point, Lucky. After they get rid off the whip that'll be next - we'll be having races for apprentices where they have they have to keep their heels still. "Hands only races."
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