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By:
neill d
When: 15 Oct 11 23:34
I'd definitely agree with that
By:
neill d
When: 15 Oct 11 23:34
maybe he has his eye on the Gigginstown job when Davy finishes though
By:
revedesivola
When: 15 Oct 11 23:36
if he stays with hourigan theres every chance he wont even be considered when davy does retire!
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 00:05
3 place only,6/4,6/4,6/4,easy money,the wworlds greatest jockey.Cool
By:
call it a day
When: 16 Oct 11 11:25
I woudn't be writing off Ruby just yet. This time of the year Nicholls's horses often seem to run out of puff after looking all over the winner.It happened at Chepstow last year, and last week too.Unfortunately for Nicholls's rivals, he has an alarming habit of churning out winners relentlessly a few weeks into the season. And Ruby will be riding them. On Daryl Jacob, well, as Nicholls no.2, he is cursed.Tizzard,Brennan,Heard,Thomas....none have exactly thrived in the position.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 11:31
cork today,2 at 6/4 place?.Cool
By:
revedesivola
When: 16 Oct 11 11:34
heard and brennan werent number 2 were they? i think theres a logical explanationfor the ones that have been sacked tbh. nicholls wanted sam thomas to be a success, but the reality was he didnt want a jock on his horses that couldnt stay on. christian williams was just shoite and nicholls didnt want to get rid of joe, his owners also did. he says hes he wasnt in a position to make a stand, he didnt pull the strings then. i think its also beneficial to jacob that he wasnnt a conditional with nicholls, so hes percieved as a good professional rather than a learner
By:
denman85
When: 16 Oct 11 11:35
her the fact that you made a comparison between mick fitz and ruby is a joke in it self, ruby is far superior, andin terms of winners mcoys has rode more winner than ruby, but the big meetings the valuable races, ruby is hands down the greatest, he won more big races than anyone else in history, streets ahead of any one at the festival and still loads more to come, mccoys far better at riding poor horses, put himv on a top horse and he'll ge it beat, rubys a much better horseman FACT
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 12:50
denman,agree, mcoy total grafter110 per cent commitment,ruby,clock in his head all distances,likes to play late.Cool
By:
herblington
When: 16 Oct 11 12:57
utter rubbish McCoy is head and shoulders above Walsh who simply rides a huge amount of steering jobs. The ride on Toubab yesterday was quite frankly pathetic
By:
strontium
When: 16 Oct 11 12:57
For a man of 32, Ruby looks old. Completely grey, starting to go bald, stooped back. It all looks to have caught up with him.

However, he's the number one jockey for the champion trainers of Britain and Ireland - he's still going to get a lot of crack rides.
By:
Ernie__Bert
When: 16 Oct 11 13:03
met ruby in dub airport last night buying milk, he had a face like thunder, wasnt very freindly when we asked him did he have any luck :)
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 13:07
herb,chelt 2012?.Mischief
By:
Blackrock
When: 16 Oct 11 13:49
Im surprised Ruby is as straight as he is, when you consider his father couldnt lie straight in bed.
Ruby has been picking and choosing his mounts for some time now, and who can blame him.
One for the future is Eddie O'Connell, will be very good one day.
By:
denman85
When: 16 Oct 11 14:08
herb u are an idiot, mccoy is totally a mon -friday jockey, rubys the man on the weekends at the big meetings, thats why mccoys only been top jockey once at the festival and ruby wins it nearly every year


mccoy= quantity
walsh= quality

end off discussion
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 14:44
Some right rubbush on this. Ruby gets many, many high class steering jobs and is all class. Imagine the confidence he gets from riding those. AP is outstanding, we have been lucky to have him, the idiots who knock him have an axe to grind, when he quits only then will people respect him and his achievements. He is a fantastic jockey and anyone denying them must be ignorant.

As for Christian Williams, I did not mind him RDS, although i think the final straw came on a ride at Huntingdon which looked quite bad on Predateur - he did not ride very many after that (not sure if that was the reason why). Heard was quite ordinary and Tizz was (and remains) anything other than a top class jockey.
By:
denman85
When: 16 Oct 11 14:54
r  carver- there is a reson why he gets top ride, cos he is the best horsman on the planet, that why nicholls and mullins chose him to ride for them,  i think mccoy is great at what he does no knocing him for that, but 90% off his winners throughout his career have been in nothing races, where as rubys the man for big races, look at the times when mccoy got rubys steering jobs on the likes of denman, were did he steer them stright on the floor!  can i ask you one question if you had the favourite for the gold cup, who would you want on it ruby or mccoy? i think 99% of people in racing i.e trainers, owner and shrewd punters would say  walsh! as i dont think mccoy is as good over fences as hurdles just my opionion
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 15:18
Denman85 - I think you are talking rubbish. Who does Henderson put up after Barry Gerraghty? Who did Nicholls turn to when his jockeys were injured last yr?

It is true, AP has always been motivated to win the title (a numbers game and as you say, GL to him for that) and has consequently put himself about, riding rubbish at Catterick of Fakenham, riding at Worcester through the summer evenings. AP rode for Pipe when his yard was crammed full of hanidcappers with the odd graded horse. He rides for Jonjo whose yard is mainly full (and has been for yrs) of rubbiush.

Ruby rides for the 2 most powerful (in terms of quality) yards in Europe. Every Saturday he is not scratching round on jonjo's rubbish but riding 2 lovely novices, something fancied in the big handicap and if it is a conditions race, usually the favourite. Do you really, honestly believe, the only reason Kauto, Denman, Twist Magic, Neptune, Master Minded, Taranis, Big Bucks etc etc etc etc kept on winning was because Ruby was on them? If so mate you are deluded. They were just quite simply the best horses.

And do not say AP gets Denman floored because it is simply untrue - Denman fell for Sam T at Aintree and UR for AP at Newbury (when Nicholls said he was undercooked) but AP finished 2nd to Impreial Commander at Cheltenham when Kauto - ridden by Ruby - had made 1 serious error and had fallen (I am not blaming Ruby, but these are facts). AP next did a magnificent job steering him around Punchestown when the horse hated it there.

In careers where they have both ridden thousands of horses, of course you can point to many bad rides. But I could be irrational and start blaming Ruby for - kauto falling in the gold cup, kauto's terrible + costly error at Aintree 3 yrs ago, Master Minded's terrible + costly error at Aintree 3 yrs ago, his error at Cheltenham in March this yr. I do not do that because racing is not so black and white.

Who would I want on either in a gold cup? My view is irrelevant but lets look at what Nicholls and his owners thnk because in the yr when everyone thought it was a match between Denman and Kauto (but Imperial won) and Ruby chose Kauto, who did Nicholls and his Denmans owners chose? AP, not Sam Thomas.
By:
denman85
When: 16 Oct 11 15:36
i do beleive if mccoy would of rode every horse rubys rode at festival in his career he would of rode less winners, thats just my opionion, i just dont think mccoys take a horse over a fence like ruby, hurdles they aint much between the two, but over fences walsh is the better horseman, that just my view , and i aint knocking mccoy, just think walsh is better over fences, im sure im not alone in this view.
By:
denman85
When: 16 Oct 11 15:37
i do beleive if mccoy would of rode every horse rubys rode at festival in his career he would of rode less winners, thats just my opionion, i just dont think mccoys take a horse over a fence like ruby, hurdles they aint much between the two, but over fences walsh is the better horseman, that just my view , and i aint knocking mccoy, just think walsh is better over fences, im sure im not alone in this view.
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 15:40
Fair enough Denman, we disagree but are entitled to hold opposing views. I suspect lots of people fall into either side on this one. I actually try to sit on the fence saying they are both brilliant. I think it is certainly true that they have differing styles, AP does make horses minds up more (IMO) that Ruby, who is quieter over a fence. I do not think it helps that some of Jonjo's look like they have been schooled in the dark (going back a long way too, that is!), whereas some of Nicholls are so well schooled his debut novices look like seasoned handicappers.
By:
acey deucy
When: 16 Oct 11 15:48
I dont care who you are,any Jockey who has a bad run of injuries will start to think twice before firing a novice chaser into a fence.
By:
hemsby
When: 16 Oct 11 15:58
I backed Toubab yesterday,and thought Walsh done nothing wrong.Horse pulled and refused to settle early,he gave it his head and let it bowl along at halfway(correct decision imo).Admittedly he met the last 2 wrong,but in mitigation,the horse was running on empty.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 16:04
tony mcoy,nicolls,denman1/6 fell king george,kauto star 4/7lost.?
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 16:34
Deadbrain - It is hard to know what that meant, but I suspect your name is apt.

Do you mean Denman was beaten at 1-6 in the AON? He did not fall btw, he UR, and anyone backing horses at 1-6 in a prep is not smart. In the King george Kauto was sick and was beaten by a superstar - he was also beaten when he made his error 2 out.

ruby walsh, nicholls, kauto - 8/11 gold cup (fell), 10/11 Gold Cup (beaten), Aintree 4/7 (beaten), QMCC 2/1 (fell), Exeter 2/11 (fell, remounted, fast finishing 2nd, injured in the process).

Ruby Walsh, Nicholls, Master Minded - Aintree 2/5 (beaten), QMCC 4/5 (beaten), QMCC 2/1 (beaten)

Anything else sensible to add?
By:
Busvaldo
When: 16 Oct 11 16:38
Anyone who knocks this chap is a fool.
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 16:39
Just to make it clear guys, I think Ruby is magnificent and undimmed - i am just trying to stop the Ruby-lovers unfairly knocking 7 bells out of AP.
By:
taipan501
When: 16 Oct 11 16:40
herblington with more utter clueless rants- bellend! end of story, why waste time on fools like this
By:
arrested development
When: 16 Oct 11 16:41
Reports of his demise are a ridiculous but I wouldn't be surprised to see him a bit more selective with his efforts as time goes by, as with Eddery before, Frankie today and many others, the top jocks tend to develop a bit of a 'first or nowhere' type style in their later years ........

Anyone else notice how overbet all his mounts have been recently ?

Right on cue  ..............masterful ride on de Valira,  who I wouldnt have given a prayer of beatin First Liutenant.
By:
Busvaldo
When: 16 Oct 11 16:43
Two class acts,Ruby for me though!Laugh
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 16:43
nothing wrong with that got him up 11/2.Boooooooooooooooom.Cool
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 16:46
Great WD, ignore the sustantive post & concentrate on aftertiming. GL.
By:
taipan501
When: 16 Oct 11 16:48
carver- ignore ruby's winning rides and post his few loses. wd. gl
By:
R Carver
When: 16 Oct 11 17:02
You have clearly not read any of my posts about Ruby Taipan? I think he is wonderful, flawless.

I was merely reversing the technique the brain dead Ruby fans/AP knockers use against Ruby himself. Ruby is flawless but how anyone can knock APs whole career on the basis of his rides on Denman (which were not bad IMO) is beyond me - i tried to demonstrate how irrational that is by doing the same thing to Ruby (selecting a few times the horse got beat at odds on and blaming Ruby).
By:
GAMBLINGJOCKEY
When: 16 Oct 11 17:02
lowest weight in last 1 months was 8-13 according to rp, im sure hecould do lighter!

you need to able to weigh out under 8 stone easily to be a apprentice to get any rides
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 17:08
not knocking tony ,unlucky for nicolls stable?.Cool
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 17:13
minted for years ,,cheltenham festival,tony ruby and barryCoolCoolCool
By:
flyingbolt
When: 16 Oct 11 17:19
Oh dear.

The return of Bobbytampax.
By:
deadbrain59
When: 16 Oct 11 17:24
flying bolt,benefit office opens monday,make you a bit happier ,eh.Cool
By:
flyingbolt
When: 16 Oct 11 17:29
deadbrain

I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

My post as anyone who has been on here 5 minutes would know was aimed at the opening poster.

I haven't the faintest idea who the feck you are.
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