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He knew the rules, we know the rules, why did he hit it too many times in the last furlong?
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Exactly! Is he not able to control his arms? If he breaks the rules, he pays the price. Why is he now surprised that he has been banned?
Why did he hit it too many times in the last furlong?
Money was down.
Money was down.
I find it staggering that he's complaining, no horses about him, not a driving finishing involving loads of horses, hit it six times inside the final furlong, that's against the rules !
If the police say we can have 2 pints before we are not allowed to drive, we don't drink three and then say boo hoo if we get nicked !
If the police say we can have 2 pints before we are not allowed to drive, we don't drink three and then say boo hoo if we get nicked !
As he said it is likely telling Messi not to kick with his left foot.
Don't be surprised when Messi kicks the ball with his left foot because he does not play football so well unless he does.
The banned is not based on cruelty to horses.
It is nothing to do with racing.
It is pandering to a few people who most probably know next to nothing about racing. It is pandering to a few Fleet Street journalist and this is a certain route to ruin.
Don't be surprised when Messi kicks the ball with his left foot because he does not play football so well unless he does.
The banned is not based on cruelty to horses.
It is nothing to do with racing.
It is pandering to a few people who most probably know next to nothing about racing. It is pandering to a few Fleet Street journalist and this is a certain route to ruin.
he hit the horse to win the fookin race. Its called trying to win you doughnut. Whats the point of competition if you cannot do your best . 
You two, Celtic Son and Magoo, have proved you know absolutely nothing about this game. He is one of the greatest jockeys of his generation with the softest hands in the business. He wants to win and these new rules prevent him and others from doing so. Your ignorance precedes you.
What do you mean it's easy to ride a race from an armchair, ffs he only needed to count to five with nothing happening anywhere near him.
Jockeys are trying to hold racing to ransom now.
Jockeys are trying to hold racing to ransom now.
bilbobaggins, are you saying that in order to win, Hughes has to hit a horse more times than other jockeys? The rules are the same for all jockeys. If he can't win abiding by the rules, perhaps he is right in giving up now.
This is staggering, basically you are supporting the fact that you should have an extra pint over your allowance before driving by spouting garbage about trying to win. They are the rules, you stick to the rules, whether they are right or wrong.
think he will go and ride in ireland.no rules there
"This is staggering, basically you are supporting the fact that you should have an extra pint over your allowance before driving by spouting garbage about trying to win"
only in your own head ydc
only in your own head ydc
Hughes' problem is that he cannot continue riding under the current rules. He has stated on RUK that it is impossible to do his owners trainers and himself justice under the new rules. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to what he and other experts are telling us.
he only missed the whip allocation by 1.
Give him a bit more practice and he'll be able to make that massive adjustment
Give him a bit more practice and he'll be able to make that massive adjustment
"This is staggering, basically you are supporting the fact that you should have an extra pint over your allowance before driving by spouting garbage about trying to win"
I've read an awful lot of ballacks on this forum but thbis quote has surpassed them all, congratulations YDC
I've read an awful lot of ballacks on this forum but thbis quote has surpassed them all, congratulations YDC
You cant tell the people who dont understand race riding.
According to some on here you just sit on a horse and count how many times you have hit it.
According to some on here you just sit on a horse and count how many times you have hit it.
Nonsense, what part of this is difficult to understand, there are rules, he's broke them twice in less than a week ! There has been about 70 plus races this week and apart from Buick, only two small time apprentices have been banned on the Flat haven't they? Hughes has done it twice !
It's evolution,Hughes is Old School from a time gone buy,it's time for a new breed of Jockeys to step forward with a diffirent attitude.
I find it staggering that so many on this forum are totally and utterly clueless about the sport of horse racing.
No wonder jesus wept. Some horses need to be encouraged more than others. If the horse is going forward let him be encouraged more by use of the whip. Most proffesionals will know when a horse has no more to give and will not continue to whip him. 5, 10 15 who fookin cares as long as no coont is dying.
You obviously don't understand the statement about the beer. It is against the rules/law to drink a third pint, so you don't drink a third pint because you are told not to. It is against the rules to hit the horse more than 5 times in the final furlong, so you don't do it !
Why are so many other jockeys not having this problem?
Why are so many other jockeys not having this problem?
"You obviously don't understand the statement about the beer"
No, what we understand is that your analogy is complete shyte.
No, what we understand is that your analogy is complete shyte.
Celtic Son. Tell me something.How long does it take to drink three pints while sitting in a chair ? How long does it take to hit a horse 6 times, while travelling at 35 m.p.h. while doing everything possible to avoid getting killed? Your statements show a complete ignorance of horses ,horse racing, and the competitive nature of those jockeys who put their lives on the line and provide us with a spectacle and a game unequalled in any other sport.
Oct 13, 2011 -- 8:56PM, roggrain wrote:
Hughes' problem is that he cannot continue riding under the current rules. He has stated on RUK that it is impossible to do his owners trainers and himself justice under the new rules. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to what he and other experts are telling us.
The experts say the whip is not cruel and Animal Rights have not said it is not cruel.
The ban is not there to save the horse from harm.
Just because a rule is brought in does not make it right.
If it is wrong people must fight it. They must stand up against it.
It seems some people are robots and if they are told something it must be right. The Church said the world was flat, but a few people show it was not.
Rules which are nonsense should be got rid of.
One logical reason for the ban?
The only thing people can bring up is the public don't like it. Well when was there a survey, a referendum?
There hasn't been one to my knowledge so it is a few people driven by emotions and not logic.
TRD.Racing
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I find it staggering that so many on this forum are totally and utterly clueless about the sport of horse racing.
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I find it staggering that some people on this forum don't understand what the word rules mean.
Would you prefer it if jockeys accrued extra smacks per furlong the longer they ride as a prize? I am not even saying the 5 smacks of the whip inside the final furlong is correct, what I am trying to put across is that the rules say only 5 are allowed inside the final furlong and I could see no reason for that extra one close to the line tonight when it was clear he wasn't going to catch the winner.
13 Oct 11 21:01 Joined: 14 Apr 11 | Topic/replies: 1,672 | Blogger: TRD.Racing's blog
I find it staggering that so many on this forum are totally and utterly clueless about the sport of horse racing.
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I find it staggering that some people on this forum don't understand what the word rules mean.
Would you prefer it if jockeys accrued extra smacks per furlong the longer they ride as a prize? I am not even saying the 5 smacks of the whip inside the final furlong is correct, what I am trying to put across is that the rules say only 5 are allowed inside the final furlong and I could see no reason for that extra one close to the line tonight when it was clear he wasn't going to catch the winner.
he hit both horses six times ruling is a total joke
strike imminent.
strike imminent.
Can someone set up a petition so we can add our names to it?
Without people standing up to this cr@p it will carry on.
Without people standing up to this cr@p it will carry on.
Hughes would be the last jockey you would expect to struggle with it too. He has often been accused about not using the whip enough in the past! Stange situation but a good horseman for sure and one of the best horsemen around. Agree with Celtic though in that it is strange how they seem to lose count- also strange how some jocks seem to think the limit is 3 smacks. They all need to give it time as I cant see it being changed by that stubborn bunch
Ok, for those who seem to think it was fine, watch the race and tell me that last smack was required.
I have seen many horses take off because of the whip. When you are jockey with the will to win then i can imagine it would be very hard to change your instincts instantly.
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His instincts seemed different on one last night though...
His instincts seemed different on one last night though...
I can definitely agree with that Ibrahima but those who just come on here and say 'it's a joke, the rules are terrible' are just missing the point.
It must be incredibly difficult to change habits, but other jockeys haven't had the same problems this week and I defy anyone to suggest that horse benefited from that last smack tonight as she was running on strongly. If he was in any doubt, knowing the rules as a person who was already banned, you err on the side of caution as no punter can have a problem with a jockey riding inside the rules.
It must be incredibly difficult to change habits, but other jockeys haven't had the same problems this week and I defy anyone to suggest that horse benefited from that last smack tonight as she was running on strongly. If he was in any doubt, knowing the rules as a person who was already banned, you err on the side of caution as no punter can have a problem with a jockey riding inside the rules.
i dont have much time for Hughes,but fair play to him for making a stand.if the rules aren,t changed then there has to be a strike.brought in to pander to fookin do gooders who know fook all.at the end of the day if you own a lazy horse it will never win another race.
Up the limit to six in the final furlong. He won't break the rules at all then.
i think if they made it 9 smacks allowed,7 inside the last most flat jockeys would be happy with that
"I find it staggering that some people on this forum don't understand what the word rules mean"
Have you actually got any argument that doesn't consist of simply misrepresenting the position of others?
Have you actually got any argument that doesn't consist of simply misrepresenting the position of others?
My final point on this is that Richard Hughes, in my opinion, is the best jockey riding at the moment and should easily be champion jockey, no doubt about that. If I owned a racehorse, I'd love to have him riding the horse for his skills and ability to have the horse in the right position.
However, whether the rules are right or wrong, he's broken them twice in a week now and that's his fault not the rules.
However, whether the rules are right or wrong, he's broken them twice in a week now and that's his fault not the rules.
Why TRD - the dull feckers claim it's impossible to count to 5 in the heat of battle.
The mythical 'lazy horse' so what if it never wins another race - why do want to see races won by horses who don't want to win?
Six Gun. There was a survey carried on as part of the BHA review,run by a company which contacted people that are on it's books as regular answerers of polls. They asked if use of the whip was cruel. The majority said yes. They the went on to explain why whips were required and that according to the experts in the sport the whip did not hurt or harm the horse if used correctly. They were then asked the same question. Half changed their minds. Which shows that at least half of those polled hadn't a clue about racing. So,in part, the BHA has been swayed by a group of people who no nothing about racing and are such sad pathetic lonely souls that they've got nothing better to do than answer polls.
I am not sure of your point Gonzo. Celtic son has made his position very clear- he can't understand why the jockeys can't adhere to the new whip rules and exceed the number of smacks permitted. He has made that clear and it is you who is just mindlessly criticising him. You are contradicting yourself without giving any form of counter argument.
Sorry one final point, yes the 7 and 9 idea sounds sensible to give jockeys some help but it's absolutely 100% certain someone while break that rule and say they want 8 and 10, so where does it stop?
roggrain
their was me thinking this survey must been conducted at a racecourse, a high street or around a sporting arena.
Please do not tell me it was conducted via the internet using poll addicts ?
their was me thinking this survey must been conducted at a racecourse, a high street or around a sporting arena.
Please do not tell me it was conducted via the internet using poll addicts ?
CelticS you are starting to come accross ok, the rule in my opinion should not be a number. it should be that is just over the top like in the national.
differentdrum,so u want brdle horses to win every race? a lazy does wanna win it just needs more persuasion,as in life some ppl work harder than others.
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We have used Richard Hughes for the past 15 years and FULLY support him today. Lets hope the BHA do something about this rule immediately.
by pphorseracing
We have used Richard Hughes for the past 15 years and FULLY support him today. Lets hope the BHA do something about this rule immediately.
gradual implementation would have helped, bit whether the bha / pja messed up who knows; frankly the whole implementation and change management is shambolic on the bhas part
chiefengineer 13 Oct 11 21:29
differentdrum,so u want brdle horses to win every race? a lazy does wanna win it just needs more persuasion,as in life some ppl work harder than others.
It would be nice to see jockeys justifying their riding fee by doing some serious pushing and shoving where necessary
differentdrum,so u want brdle horses to win every race? a lazy does wanna win it just needs more persuasion,as in life some ppl work harder than others.
It would be nice to see jockeys justifying their riding fee by doing some serious pushing and shoving where necessary
"I am not sure of your point Gonzo. Celtic son has made his position very clear- he can't understand why the jockeys can't adhere to the new whip rules and exceed the number of smacks permitted"
No, he is coming up with straw men arguments like suggesting that we don't understand what 'rules' mean, and coming up with ridiculous analogies to do with drink driving.
It's nothing to do with not understanding the concept of rules; the entire argument surrounds whether the rules, and the reason for their implementation are correct.
No, he is coming up with straw men arguments like suggesting that we don't understand what 'rules' mean, and coming up with ridiculous analogies to do with drink driving.
It's nothing to do with not understanding the concept of rules; the entire argument surrounds whether the rules, and the reason for their implementation are correct.
Celtic Son's points are very valid and well made- I am not sure why people are so against him as everything he says is correct. Rules and laws are there for a reason-and whether these are right or wrong- they should be maintained. Hughes has failed to do this twice.
Defintlydum, why dont we shot all the LAZY horses, that should take about 80% of the race horse population out of the system, you really are one of the clueless, who think horses are dum like you.
in the analysis after the race RUK never talked about RH hitting the horse too many times, it just looks normal and natural. of course he didnt obey the rules but he his just saying the rules stink and he cant do justice to the owners of horses as it stands now
TRD.Racing
I agree with you about 9 smacks allowed,7 inside the last. There are going to be a lot of unhappy punters out there when their horse cost them money because the jockey could only hit the horse 5 times inside the final furlong. And as for jump racing horses like Deano's Beeno would never have won a race. In my opinion the rule is wrong and I for one agree with Richard Hughes' descision. For what it is worth I will be monotoring which horses need stronger handling before having a bet. I think it will cost the racing industry millions of pounds as a result of this stupid rule. GOOD LUCK ALL.
I agree with you about 9 smacks allowed,7 inside the last. There are going to be a lot of unhappy punters out there when their horse cost them money because the jockey could only hit the horse 5 times inside the final furlong. And as for jump racing horses like Deano's Beeno would never have won a race. In my opinion the rule is wrong and I for one agree with Richard Hughes' descision. For what it is worth I will be monotoring which horses need stronger handling before having a bet. I think it will cost the racing industry millions of pounds as a result of this stupid rule. GOOD LUCK ALL.
And as for jump racing horses like Deano's Beeno would never have won a race. - he wouldn't have started many let alone won them.
but did deanos beano take 5 or 6 to start so how many does the jockey have left to use 2 out 
TSD
But we're constantly told that horses won't do this or that if they don't want to. Surely in trying not to line up, Deanos was saying he didn't want to race. The answser - on one occasion it was for McCoy to hit the horse about 50 times before the feckin' race. That can't be right.
But we're constantly told that horses won't do this or that if they don't want to. Surely in trying not to line up, Deanos was saying he didn't want to race. The answser - on one occasion it was for McCoy to hit the horse about 50 times before the feckin' race. That can't be right.
The rule is a complete Joke If it is to make racing look better to those outside how can a Jockey be banned for whipping a horse 6 times while in the same race a Jockey whips his 7 times and its OK
DOH
DOH
Big mac slaughtered Hughes his words suggest Hughes is retiring because he cant whip horses = a terrible epitaph. Mccririck is the voice of racing and is so respected.
Oct 13, 2011 -- 9:22PM, roggrain wrote:
Six Gun. There was a survey carried on as part of the BHA review,run by a
how many people whilst watching it live immediately started raging over how many times he hit the horse. its all about perception
If you agree that using a mobile while driving affects your ability to react, then how does that sit with race riding and counting strokes?
Stupid quote function.
There are companies who do surveys.
I did some of these once. You fill in 100's of questions.
There is no evidence given to base your decision on, its tick a box.
The scientific evidence is the whip is not cruel so the decision goes against this and has likely been based on a tick box survey.
There are companies who do surveys.
I did some of these once. You fill in 100's of questions.
There is no evidence given to base your decision on, its tick a box.
The scientific evidence is the whip is not cruel so the decision goes against this and has likely been based on a tick box survey.
"Mccririck is the voice of racing and is so respected"
You are taking the p**s, I take it?
You are taking the p**s, I take it?
Oi HUGHES... Shut it... you SCHLAGGGGGG!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WRrlTCrjBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WRrlTCrjBY
Hughes problem is that the people who govern racing are living on a different planet from the real racing people who actually know what they are talking about.A major shake up within racing is needed but the problem is Turkeys dont vote for xmas do they?
Richard Hughes's problem would appear not too complex. The BHA armchair jockeys are as good at making rules as barstool soldiers are at fighting wars. They know everything because they have to put nothing into practice.
these new whip rules are totally insane, all the jockey's should come out on strike for a week and if they did strike this new whip rule would be binned quicker that a losing betting slip.
if things look bad now just wait till the jumps season takes off proper, there's going to be countless horses jumping the last and looking home and hosed and then getting beat because the jockey can't give it a couple more taps, tremendous fun i'm sure for in play traders but shocking bad p.r. for the sport as far as betting shop punters go, they'll be turning their backs on racing in their droves.
if things look bad now just wait till the jumps season takes off proper, there's going to be countless horses jumping the last and looking home and hosed and then getting beat because the jockey can't give it a couple more taps, tremendous fun i'm sure for in play traders but shocking bad p.r. for the sport as far as betting shop punters go, they'll be turning their backs on racing in their droves.
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