Themed Quiz Cybele.

Better explain that Cybele is a Greek goddess best described as an Earth Mother.
All answers are the offspring of the clues.

1 Arkle
3 Nijinsky
12 Red Rum
11 Lester

23 Sea The Stars
24 Blakeney/Morston - and perhaps Cley and Alderney

17 Paul/Philip/Nina/Peterjon?

or is
8 Lester
11 Bill

21 Tyrnavos/Taxiarchos/Tromos/Tolmi?

On your usual good form ged and all correct,only allowing Windmill Girls Derby winners.

9 Oedipus? (Oedipus Rex?)

11 after a 10 second browse,wife of Bill Rickaby?

[;)]

Lillian Rickaby was Lesters mother.
Q21.Stilvi a great broodmare and i have another of her foals in my list.

I thought Lester's mum was Iris?

I thought Stilvi had another good one, but can't think of it

Nearly certain it was Lillian.
In the darts at the weekend they were playing double in double out which was the darts we played,if a player failed to get away and was beaten it was called a brush,is ged going to brush the forum on this quiz.

I don't know any more! Could make a few wildish guesses. I thought one of the Helen's might be Johnson-Houghton, but she was a Walwyn. I think Peace should be in the list. I remember seeing her win the Blue Seal at Ascot on her debut, and she produced plenty. For some reason I liked her, and her offspring.

10 Frankel
23 Galileo

*Helens

(been on the forum too long!)

Libra 'should' be there too. Another favourite of mine.

Thank God for George B you saved the brush,two correct.
2,15 and 20 all turned out great sires.
14 and 22 Gold Cup winners.

I thought 22 should be a chaser. Sounds like there's a connection to Arctic Slave, and may be Twilight Alley!

Is 2 a Coolmore horse? If you yes, I'll guess Sadlers

Sadlers Wells correct.
5 is also a Gold Cup winner.

Ha! It was Libra who did a lot to help Romanella's son be a great sire! I won't cheat any more. Good night.

One of my favourite racing question is What horse started favourite for the 2000 Guineas,The Derby,The Irish Derby and The St Leger and won none of them.

Was that 'favourite for ...' question ?

Ribofillio

Correct,Ribofilio in 1969 and a son of Libra.

Would 6 or 7 be Rupert and Katie? I'll guess 7.

Helen Whyte is now Helen Walsh and Ruby and Katies mother.
Q8 is also a jockeys mother.

14 Denman?

16 ought to be Invention, but I've never heard of such a horse.

I still think Lester's mum was called Iris.

I think John Francome's mum was called Lillian (but not a Rickaby).

Libra's paternal granddam was Selene - the moon goddess - would go well with Cybele.

Maybe Onlooker will give the answer for us.
I always throw in a few strange ones and you are correct about 16 necessity is the mother of invitation.

I know of Ribocco,Ribero and Ribofilio as sons of Libra what became of her other foals?

She also produced:-
Libra's Rib (to Ribot), who was placed in 9 Group races, winning one
Roses For The Star (to Stage Door Johnny), who was 2nd in an Oaks (to Pawneese), Ribblesdale, and Park Hill
Ad Lib Ra (to Droll Role) who was Group placed, and won the Extel at Goodwood.

All trained by FJ-H, I think.

She was some broodmare,am off to Punchestown so will revisit tonight.
18 and 22 Champion Hurdle winners.

22 can only be one horse then (if your extra clues are correct!)

Have a good day's racing

Brilliant i kind of tried to slip one past you but you were on it in double jig time 22 correct.
I wont name the horse and will wait and see if someone else gets it.

LOL - You are BOTH corect.

Lester Piggott is the cousin, through his mother Lilian Iris Rickaby, of two other jockeys, Bill and Fred Rickaby.

Q4.Girl fron the Brown Mountain....is the dam of a great Irish showjumper of the seventies,Charlie Drake sang about him.
Q5.Goldminer......Gold Cup winner.
Q6.Helen Humble....hardest question of them all will revisit.
Q8.Iris Maria....mother of a champion jockey.
Q13.Marlene....this is my attempt at humour.
Q14.Nas Na Riogh....Gold Cup winner.
Q15.Natalma....dam of a great sire.
Q18.Regina....Champion Hurdle winner.
Q19.Relaxing....Belmont Stakes winner.
Q20.Romanella....dam of a great sire,ged has already got this but didn`t name him.
Q21.Stilvi....ged has already named 4 of her foals but still 1 to go.
Q22.Twilight Slave....again ged has already got this Gold Cup winner without naming.

Scores to date
ged   21
George B   2

4 Boomerang - Eddie Macken

As you're a paddy, would 19 be Go And Go?

21 - other one was Tachypous. Memory is an odd thing - I could remember what type of horse he was, but couldn't rmemeber the name - then I did.

Another 2 right for ged.
The Belmont Stakes winner is American.
Q14 Gold Cup winner forever associated with Q1.
Q5.Gold Cup winner with clue in dams name.
Q8.Champion jockey with fond memories of tomorrows racecourse.
Q13.No income tax no V.A.T.
Q15.Sire beloved of Vincent O`Brien.
Q18.Dual Champion hurdle winner from the golden era.
Q20 and Q21 both answered by ged but not named.

I have put up many a quiz on here and there are two constants,the best two jockeys of all time.Although i am Irish and Irish jockeys dominate both codes the top two were both English,Lester Piggott and Fred Archer.
Lester Piggott was the answer to Q5.
Fred Archer is the clue to Q6.

15. Northern Dancer?

14. Millhouse?

Third correct answer for George B.

and fourth.

8. Dettori?
18.Sea Pigeon?

ged and wildman - did you see my answer to you both - at the bottom of the previous page?

Yes and thanks for continuing in your role as the forums archivist.
George B Frankie Dettori correct but not Sea Pigeon.
Another clue for Q13 he was called a jaffa.

Has number 5 been answered yet?  - Your Gold Cup clue isn't helping me.

5. Golden Miller?

Golden Miller's dam was - Miller's Pride.

Thank you, onlooker.

I afraid i must be wrong and for that i apologise,i realise how frustrating that can be.
Now that you say Millers Lass it rings a bell,an old rhyme of years ago "there was a goldminer a fortyniner" referring to the San Franciscan goldrush was in something about Golden Miller but as goldminer sounds pretty masculine it is a stupid mistake on my behalf.I may hang my head in shape but i will still give George B the point.

Being a bit hard on yourself, there, wildman - especially given the hard work you have put into this efort.

Golden Miller sire was Goldcourt ...

Goldcourt's sire was ..... GOLDLINER.

Off out for a last orders couple of pints, now -

I will raise a glass to you.

19 sounds like Easy Goer, who finally got the better of Sunday Silence?

onlooker - thankyou. I think then that Mrs Piggott ('almost' won at Haydock yesterday, where it all started for the lad) may have been known to some by her second forename.

Correct ged and your twenty seventh right answer,only three to go for you 5 for the others.
Q6.Helen Humble was the immortal Fred Archers wife.
Q13.This was my attempt at humour,this Marlene is without issue.No income tax no V.A.T. is the first line of a tune.
Q18.Dual Champion hurdle winner in the golden era,trainers son a top class jockey in Ireland.
Q22.Gold Cup winner and Champion hurdle winner.
Q20.This great sire was Italian and sired among others Ribocco and Ribero.

20 ribot....

Ribot correct only 4 to go.

18-Monksfield

2. Sadlers Wells
3. Nijinsky
10 Frankel
15. Northern Dancer
21. Tolmi
23. Galileo

Blimey - I thought the answers were all DAMS.

Penzance Monksfield correct trained by Dessie McDonagh father of the Enforcer Declan.
TiptheOdds Six correct.

wildman - surely Fred Archer's wife was Helen Dawson, daughter of Mat Dawson's brother?

...and I still don't get this Marlene, despite about 6 clues!! It can't be Dietrich, because she had a child, and she pretty much invented the name 'Marlene'. Is she a he?

13- only fools and horses  tune?

13- General Elliot

Well, yes, penzance - That seems something of a 'No Brainer' from the clue....

especially as the original clue is ... MARLENE - a character from the series

However, I cannot find a title for the 'Only Fools and Horses' theme tune - if, indeed,  there even is one.

It is, somewhat affectionately, referred to as "Hookey Street."
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ged -

I thought maybe St Leger winner Julio Mariner  - or Oaks  Juliette Marny - maybe ...

But there is non connection to MARLENE in their pedigrees.

I didn't realise Marlene was a character in that program. I've never watched it. Call me miserable if you like, but my family were all Londoners, and I find faux Cockney accents a complete turn-off!

Looks like i could be apologising again.In all the quizzes i put up i always slip in some that are a bit off base,all the clues were mothers and the answers were all their offspring.The two that were different were Q13 and Q16 and ged got Q16 clue Necessity answer invention as in the saying necessity is the mother of invention.
Marlene was a character in the comedy Only fools and horses,she had no children but her husband Boycie bought her a dog which she constantly referred to as her baby,the dog was a great dane called Duke so answer Duke,i should have told you the answer was a dog but that would have sent you down the greyhound route.
Q6.This could be my second mistake in this quiz.I thought Fred Archer married Matt Dawsons niece not his daughter and i thought her name was Helen Humble,maybe Onlooker will come to our aid again,so the answer required was the name of Fred Archers daughter,an early Pink Floyd record would be a clue.

Looks like i could be apologising again.In all the quizzes i put up i always slip in some that are a bit off base,all the clues were mothers and the answers were all their offspring.The two that were different were Q13 and Q16 and ged got Q16 clue Necessity answer invention as in the saying necessity is the mother of invention.
Marlene was a character in the comedy Only fools and horses,she had no children but her husband Boycie bought her a dog which she constantly referred to as her baby,the dog was a great dane called Duke so answer Duke,i should have told you the answer was a dog but that would have sent you down the greyhound route.
Q6.This could be my second mistake in this quiz.I thought Fred Archer married Matt Dawsons niece not his daughter and i thought her name was Helen Humble,maybe Onlooker will come to our aid again,so the answer required was the name of Fred Archers daughter,an early Pink Floyd record would be a clue.

The popular story regarding Fred Archer's death is -

That  he shot himself - due to the sufferings from constant 'wasting' and diuretics, and other substances, to keep his weight down

However, he was also pre-deceased by his wife -  HELEN ROSE - and suffered a depression from that  sad loss, too.

Newspaper cuttings - re: Fred Archer's death.
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Archer’s motherless little girl, of whom he was passionately fond, has this week been staying at the residence of deceased’s father-in-law, Mr John Dawson, senior.

Mourners:

A simple but very elegant wreath was forwarded by H.R.H. the Prince of Wales, the bearer being Lord Alington, who, however, attended the funeral in his private capacity as a friend of the deceased.

Carriage containing Mr J. Dawson (father-in-law), Messrs J.A. Dawson and G. Dawson (brothers-in-law), and Mr M. Dawson (formerly master and subsequently partner of the deceased).

Thanks again Onlooker i think that is conclusive proof that i am wrong again,she was obviously John Dawsons daughter.I make the questions hard enough without putting in wrong ones.I do all my quizzes from memory[it shows] and i notice ged answers in the same way.
Still awaiting the answer to Q6.

I wish I had yours and ged's memory.

Sadly, I don't - However, I do know where, and how, to find all the answers in my (too) extensive Library.

Cleared the loft out - having Insulation renewed before the winter.
Surrounded by boxes of books and other racing related references -
If I had a wife, she would be going ballistic.

For gods sake don`t lose them,your position as forum archivist would be in jeapordy.

I think Fred Archer's wife was commonly known as Nellie Rose.

So maybe Fred's daughter was called Nellie ?

I think the 'Nellie' came form her name Helen Rose, guinness

Nellie meaning and name origin

Nellie \n(el)-
lie\ as a girl's name is a variant of Cornelia (Latin), Eleanor (Greek), Helen (Greek) and Nelly (English

Nell being a dimunitive but normally Helen, Eleanor, Ellen

Yeah i knew it was a variant, onlooker. Was just trying to guess the daughters name..

Fred Archer's wife was Helen Rose Dawson, known as Nellie. Their daughter was Nellie Rose Archer.

I'm sure onlooker has seen them, but in case others haven't, there are 4 full transcriptions from the Newmarket Journals of the time of, resp, Fred Archer's wedding (1883), Nellie's death (1884), Fred's death and his funeral (1886), here:-

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcam/FrederickArcher.htm#Details

Some of it is quite beautifully written, in the style of time of course, and includes a brief summary of Fred's achievements.

Good quiz wildman. Thanks for that.

The Archer answer could also be William, as there was a son too, though he only survived a few hours. He was named after Fred's father (who rode the Grand National winner Little Charley in 1858), and elder brother (who died in 1878 after a fall in a race at Cheltenham, though he wasn't a professional jockey). Fred's younger brother was called Charley - maybe he was named after his dad's big winner - he rode one of the other 3 runners in the race in which William had his fall.

wildman -

I have another valid answer to your Q:13   MARLENE.

Your theme was 'Only Fools and Horses' - and the character MARLENE.

As you posted and themed, "Marlene was married to Boycie, but they had NO children."

However - You then moved on to their dog (as a replacement'baby') for your answer.
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Well, the standing joke in 'Fools and Horses' was that they had NO children - because Boycie was a 'JAFFA'

'He's a Jaffa'-  being  slang for 'firing blanks' (unable to reproduce)... as Jaffa Oranges traditionally have NO pips.

So - Another extremely appropriate answer on your MARLENE / 'Fools and Horses' theme would have been...

SNAAFI DANCER - bought by Sheikh Mo for $10 million - never raced - and when he went to Stud, turned out to be something of a 'JAFFA', too.

Something of an ironic coincidence that two of middle letters of the horses first name SnaAFi -
should be the same two  middle letters of ... JAFFA

First time someone posted a quiz and he was the one educated.I have long been fascinated by the immortal Fred Archer,the spy cartoon has pride of place in my kitchen,and i thought his daughters name was Emily,the early Pink Floyd song in the clue was See Emily Play definitely not Arnold Lane.Having already had two mistakes i cant be confident but i was sure that was her name.

I do wish you wouldn't be so hard on yourself, WMFB..

This place has some absolute diamonds on it, who could run rings around most in Racing's inner circle and hierarchy.

Unfortunately with every diamond found, there is also lots of cut glass..