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Curley Betfred swindle in todays Independent
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Serg Marcel --Massive coup it was,but that does not make it fraudulent.Fraud is against the law,and this clearly was not.
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Match fixing is considered fraudulent and also against the law, so why is this not? It is basically match fixing
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"It is basically match fixing"
How so? |
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by not running a horse on its merits
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The last horse in the gamble that day, apparently considered the best chance of the lot traded at short odds on near the off. from memory it was trading well over 6-7 throughout the whole day. Was this horse set up to be layed? we dont know, and again it really surprises me that characters like curley seem to be welcomed with open arms in UK racing
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Nothing in todays racing post about the court case in Gibraltar,Could that be due to bald fred now advertising again in the racing post?
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there seems to be a misconception that curley is the peoples champion of punting,the man is not to be trusted and i personally do not bet in any race he has a runner in
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What people think of Curley is an irrelevance here.
What should be concentrated on is the fact that the third biggest bookmaker in the UK has knocked...welshed...refused to pay...stolen...and that is a disgrace. As a reward he has been sold the Tote...so if he can knock punters then he could easily do another Woodrow Wyatt. If the racing and betting business was worth ten bob he`d be barred from the game. |
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The whole game is based of integrity of bookmakers, which when it comes to paying out winning bets 99.999999999999% are totally honest.
Betslaphead is a Manc chancer, and lets face facts he has previous form when it comes to his integrity regarding the paying of bets. |
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Even if it was fraudulent (which it wasn't) it goes to show it's not an exact science by the fact that the shortest priced horse of his 4 selections was beaten.
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Like i said earlier its a double edged sword. What Curley did happens to a lesser extent every day in UK horse racing, and i think it need to be stopped. And i would have to believe they dont have the authority to refuse the payouts, which is why it is going to court.
i also think all this offshore business with all the corparates setting up in Gibralter is a disgrace and is wleching, cheating the sport itself. So much money that these companies make from the game should be reinvested back into racing, then trainers would not need to resort to these tactics in trying to land the big coup. |
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and again how much did Curley make from laying that last short horse? that got absolutely smashed in the betting. Of course alot of it might of been all up money, but alot would of been innocent punters (some would say lemmings) following what they though was an honest gamble. The very fact these questions are asked when characters like curley are involved is a joke.
I think it was fraud. I believe previously the winning horses were not run on their merits and as a result handicapped to win. we are talking about alot of money and i couldnt trust the british authorities as far as i could throw them, so the fact that some sort of investigation went on into the running and found no wrong doing is something i give no credence to at all. |
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Perhaps a journalist that hasn't been corrupted into silence by the bookmaking industry should ask themsleves WHY Curley might have to disguise the bets he wanted to make.
Because if you watch any racing TV programme, read any newspaper, or pick up any piece of bookmakers' literature, there is never any mention whatsover of bookmakers refusing to take anyone's bets... |
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Most Firms in Gibraltar don't play by the rules - as a former Employee (well "self employed" when they chopped me with no warning) I know this unfortunately.
Corrupt place. |
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Former Employee of Real Madrid Sponsors that should say.
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Well considering they reportedly won £3.9 million and it would have been £20 million had the other horse won then assuming they were laying it (which I doubt) they must have been doing so to some size of liability!
The shortie that got beaten was was the 3rd leg anyway but after the first 2 went in then you would expect the 3rd and 4th both to shorten and all 4 went off as favourites at 2/1, 11/10, 1/3 and 6/4 although they were obviously on early and got bigger prices. The loser was in an amateur riders race and was ridden by Mr D L Queally (who I'm not familiar with but assume could be related to Tom Queally) but anything can happen in these amateur rider races where it's not always the best horse that wins when the jockey plays a bigger part than usual and Simon Walker won that race and he's one of, if not the best amateur riding in the UK. |
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Think a big point has been missed here: What was the commissioner doing in Betfred's lawyers office?
And from my (very limited) knowledge of how this works- what about handing out licences to firms who effectively operate in Spain.. with staff living there... Is this aiding and abetting? Much too comfortable an arrangement for my liking. I'll be watching this case v closely- some BIG questions to be answered and goes right to the heart of UK betting and consequently UK horseracing. |
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Think a big point has been missed here: What was the commissioner doing in Betfred's lawyers office?
And from my (very limited) knowledge of how this works- what about handing out licences to firms who effectively operate in Spain.. with staff living there... Is this aiding and abetting? Much too comfortable an arrangement for my liking. I'll be watching this case v closely- some BIG questions to be answered and goes right to the heart of UK betting and consequently UK horseracing. |
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The whole game is based of integrity of bookmakers, which when it comes to paying out winning bets 99.999999999999% are totally honest.
I would say that is more like 75% now - certainly very, very hard to withdraw from many books and many are happy to cancel bets with no reason. Those tend to be ones based offshore. |
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Do Betferd hold on to the stake money or has that been returned??
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pay out baldy u knocker
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ALL these replies miss the point.
He has bought a national institution fro not paying. Why did the govt.allow this? Could not possibly have raised that much cash legit |
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I don't like bookmakers but I sure as hell despise cheating trainers, ask yourself who is your real foe, is it the bookie or the trainer?
A bookie doesn't stop a horse, end of argument! |
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silvergreaser,are you a bookie
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Well considering I said I don't like bookies?, I'm just pointing out something that seems to go over the head of most punters, its not the bookie who stops the horses but the trainer, so how come the bookie is public enemy No.1?
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hes entitled to get paid.end of story
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Preying on addicts?
Creating young addicts as soon as they hit 18? Not laying fair bets? Using bullying tactics when involved in disputes? Obviously all bookies ain't the same. |
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when you have a bet do you worry that the bookie has stopped the horse or does the trainer send shivers down your spine?
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No but I do worry that in 18 years I will be telling my Nephew to keep well away from the e-mails offering £20 free spin or the nice lady in the Bookies offering him £10 free play on Roulette.
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If you are a bookie presumably you have not stopped a horse
If you not a bookie how do you know that horses have not been stoped by bookies. As to real foe,get real Barney Curley puts enoughf money into the game and can do as he wishes, he's able to place and punt when his horses are right and dosent have to answer to anyone and fair play to him |
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About 3 years ago Roddick was fav in a Tennis Comp - he was 7/4 across the books but BetFred were 9/4.
He pulled out before his first match and all bets were losers. What a coincidence Fred was top price. |
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pretty weak arguments, when the bet is struck the bookie is an afterthought the trainer is now as he was before you struck the bet the enigma that all punters have to face everyday.
Believe me the trainer is and always will be the biggest stumbling block for any punter big or small. The jockey who often comes in for no end of stick might just have been riding to the trainers orders? |
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See your point but the game is a mix of information and form.
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SergeantMarcel Joined: 07 May 10
Replies: 144 12 Oct 11 15:16 "and again how much did Curley make from laying that last short horse? " If Mr. Curley owned the horse how could he lay it........ |
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SergeantMarcel Joined: 07 May 10
Replies: 144 12 Oct 11 15:16 "and again how much did Curley make from laying that last short horse? " oh oh |
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We are talking about Barney Curley here, could you even dare to think he would miss such a golden goose like the ability to profit by laying his horses to lose?
I wonder who the third or fourth party is?, what has to come into consideration is the person who owns the purple exchange?? |
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was their any unusual betting patterns shown up on the exchanges and if so surley persons would have been investigated and brought to our knowledge
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Pay Barney Curley.
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cadizza
you should of layed Roddick in the tennis |