review the smoking ban in pub/clubs petition

Thought you were a chain smoker Laz - Nigels pipe? [;)]

Maybe they should ban gay sex at the same time,save Fraudy from exposure to all those nasty diseases.

Whos Fraudy?

WITHOUT A DOUBT THE SMOKING BAN IS THE BEST THING TO HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST 40 YEARS,PERSONALLY I THINK THE ONES THAT STILL CONTINUE SHOULD BE PUT UP AGAINST A WALL AND SHOT,HOPE THIS HELPS

We just need to get a petition up to teach silly sausages that there is no need to write everything in caps now.

I cant believe how many absolute idiots there are on this forum.

I am an ex pub landlord and i watched how the trade has been murdered by the authorities, the smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin.

Landlords/ Landladies should have been given the choice to be either smoking or non smoking, customers dont have to go into the smoking pubs.

I remember when DRINKING pubs were busy, atmospheric and a focal part of local communities.

Pubs now are full of the boring middle classes who never use to go out and have one lime and soda and a burger in a ciabatta.

Destroying peoples businesses and taking away our power to make our own choices is/was a joke.


I still go to the pub every day and always will, but am a dieing breed, i dread to think of what public houses will be in years to come.

Sad times IMO.

HJ

Quite right Humanjinx. All those non-smokers who were going to flock back to the pubs when the vile smoking habit was banned seem to have forgotten when it was.
As I said earlier I am an ex-smoker so it no longer affects me one way or the other but I hate those who have given up who become all self-righteous about it. It`s like old men preaching celibacy to all after their own debauched youth.

Well put SS,the antis who got their way destroyed many hundreds of businesses.Hypocritical toerags who think destroying livers is ok and fail to mention THAT cost to the NHS.

Btw Drinkers and smokers contribute much more in taxes than the tee total,non smoking brigade.Much more than the cost to the NHS.

Humanjinx
12 Oct 11 10:30 Joined: 17 Jan 11 | Topic/replies: 421 | Blogger: Humanjinx's blog
I cant believe how many absolute idiots there are on this forum.

I am an ex pub landlord and i watched how the trade has been murdered by the authorities, the smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin.

Landlords/ Landladies should have been given the choice to be either smoking or non smoking, customers dont have to go into the smoking pubs.

I remember when DRINKING pubs were busy, atmospheric and a focal part of local communities.

Pubs now are full of the boring middle classes who never use to go out and have one lime and soda and a burger in a ciabatta.

Destroying peoples businesses and taking away our power to make our own choices is/was a joke.


I still go to the pub every day and always will, but am a dieing breed, i dread to think of what public houses will be in years to come.

Sad times IMO.


I have another opinion as to why pubs are not so busy.
The price of booze in supermarkets.
I can remember when beer spirits in off licences was not that much cheaper than in the pub. therefore you may as well go to the pub than stay at home. but now the dif is so dramatic that people wont pay 350/4notes for a beer when they can buy the same for 50p in the supermarket.
Gov should raise the duty on beer in supermakets/offlicences in line with pubs. they would soon be busier and the smoking ban would be forgotten.

That was more or less true about beer,but not spirits or wine,until about 1980 robinlace but not really after that. I daresay it is a factor as is the depression but older people left pubs in droves after July 2007.

egner Joined: 11 Jan 07
Replies: 5246 11 Oct 11 17:08   
...and a petition to ban PUBS also....

....anywhere that encourages utter bores to congregate and mill around talking sh*t for hours on end should be banned.

[;)]

....i might also add that most pubs are so dour and depressing...and filled with parochial, petty and provincial and people slurring their narrow views....

that one should never step foot in a pub without being p*ssed to start with ......

..and even then...NEVER enter unless their is a thick haze of ciggy smoke to mask your entrance and exit.....and of course so you dont have to see "regulars"....who mostly look like Adams Family tribute acts.

[;)]

i find that the non-smokers who goes to the pubs now are very boring people. Its just not the custom of the smokers the pubs have lost but also their non-smoking friends who used to go there with them who liked a few pints and not like the ones that go there just for one glass at around 10pm which lasts them til closing time.

How do you get cigarette smoke on the forum ?

You go out to interact and meet people Robin(life does not start and end on here) i agree about non smoking pubs as well, surely in a true market place that would stand up, unless its not really about that and its really about people wanting to force their opinions on others.

Drink can be a harmful thing to bystanders, ive never heard of a person going on a rampage after 20 Bensons[:laugh:)

No one forces me to go into a pub or eaterie where there are numerous brats running round out of control either, i just take my custom elsewhere

touche salmom....touche[;)]

I know in Ireland the divorce rate went up after the smoking ban was introduced. Apparently it was down to smokers going outside and meeting other smokers who were much more interesting than their boring non-smoking partners who had stayed inside.

Egner is charnier allowed in a pub whilst wearing his pink fur trimmed smoking jacket?

Not sure about the exact wording in the UK re-the ban.Here some bars have exploited the wording of the legislation by putting up signs banning children and pregnant women.

...you mean his daily ritual as below rsc.......


..as we speak Charnier/Cash Machine is playing out his nightly ritual....

...wearing pink satin dressing gown with pink fur piping and matching slippers...

...cigarette holder with a Gitane slowly burning in one hand...

....and in the other a Martini or Appletini....

and sashaying around his damp one bed flat to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYL762uVVXo



SUPERSONIQUE....MAGNIFIQUE.......TRES TRES COOL.....ET TRES TRES CHIC

SUPERSONIQUE....MAGNIFIQUE.......TRES TRES COOL.....ET TRES TRES CHIC



....well..my initially thought is that it would empty the last few reamining regulars from the pubs.....

then again...depending on the type of pub ...it may actually increase attendance!!!!

Too right as well RS, i dont go down the WI or the local Lesbians group and tell them what to do all the time

Blue Oyster Bar for alain,compulsory dress on Fridays.

...now theres an idea worth exploring.....

directing the local lesbian group might be fun....yep

All real life lesbians are fat munters FACT

yikes.

sorry, wrong thread

TV chef Antony Worrall Thompson has launched an e-petition calling on the Government to review the smoking ban.

Worrall Thompson runs the Greyhound pub at Rotherfield Peppard near Henley-on-Thames and is a patron of smokers' group Forest, which is supporting the e-petition.

The text of the petition is: "We petition the Government to review the impact of the smoking ban on pubs and clubs and consider an amendment that would give licensees the option of separate well-ventilated smoking rooms."

"Since the introduction of the smoking ban there has been a dramatic increase in pub closures. The ban has damaged local communities with thousands of people deciding to stay at home instead of going out."

Commenting on the move, Worrall Thompson said: "Let's be fair. Tobacco is a legal product. In Britain 10 million adult smokers contribute £10 billion a year in tobacco taxation alone. It's only right that they should be accommodated in some public places.

"If the government doesn't want adults to smoke at home in front of the children or litter the streets, they should be allowed to smoke in some licensed premises."

Simon Clark, director of Forest and the Save Our Pubs and Clubs campaign, said: "Give landlords and customers a choice. We want the smoking ban amended so licensees can choose to provide a separate, well-ventilated smoking room for adults who wish to smoke.

"Let common sense prevail. A modest change in the law is all we ask

They will come after the drinkers next just think in a few years time the alcohol limit will be zero, you will be tested at work and probably given a booze credit limit of three pints per week.

Added to the fact that Horse racing will be outlawed in 20 years time and you'll all be bored shitless, you'll live longer and it will damn well feel like it

if an owner of a pub wants his pub to be a smoking pub he should be allowed too. He should have a choice like everyone else. If a non-smoker decides he dont want to go there because of the smoking he dont have to thats his choice.(but at least the non-smoker has a choice)which a smoker dont have in this country.  The uk are the only EU mugs to enforce this EU legislation.

What a disgusting habit,ive just signed a petition to have it banned at bus stops

It already is.

not in ireland ss

OnTheSnaff Joined: 12 Jun 11
Replies: 3080 12 Oct 11 13:28   
What a disgusting habit,ive just signed a petition to have it banned at bus stops 

Petition to ban BUS STOPS as well.....

.....people at bus stops not enough nous and energy to have their own transport and always look as miserable as sin.......do away with the bus stops and make them run and jump to catch the bus.......

will increase the flow of the traffic and also they may not be so miserable as they have something to think about......physically "catching" the bus.

same goes for the bus drivers as well....ban them also.

People who claim that the smoking ban in public places is responsible for the downturn in pubs seem to be like the bookies who claim BF is responsible for the downturn in raceourse attendances.  They ignore wall-to-wall TV coverage of horseracing as the main cause, just as the anti anti-smoking types ignore the incredibly cheap booze from supermarkets.

It`s strange. I was going to post that I would come to Ireland for the pleasure of smoking at a bus stop again. Then I remembered I haven`t had a cigarette for two weeks short of a year         

exactly crawford.

Amd FWIW I write as a smoker, albeit one is very happy to step outside to indulge -have done so at home and at others' houses for years before the ban came in.

Cheap beer in supermarkets didn`t suddenly spring into existence in July 2007 Crawford.

After reading through this thread, i'm just about to light my 10th ciggy of the day and back Bad Cigar e/w in the 2.15 punchestown....

[;)]

And Smoking Aces in the 4,55

looked like winning for a second or two. Now where did i put my lighter......

I will quite willingly sign to keep the "choke yourself & others in proximity to death merchants" out of public premises.
If you want to kill yourself smoking fine go ahead but dont pollute others air.

SMOKING KILLS,SMOKING CAUSES FATAL DISEASES,CLEAR AS A BELL ON THE PACKET,SO IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE WHEN I HEAR SOMEONE ACTUALY BUYING A PACKET U COULDNT WRITE IT!

anyone who smokes in 2011 really IS hoping for an early death. I've seen plenty of them in hospital beds wheezing their way to the coffin....amazing carry-on...

And i allways thought that my grandad (who smoked all his life till the age of 88) faught in a war to keep this country free.

Couldn't we use somewhere like the Isle of Wight or Isle of Man for smokers to live on?

They could have their own health service and tax laws relating to cigarettes.

Just one rule, once they go there they cannot come back EVER.

An interesting plan. They are social exiles anyway, hardly much difference.

Some people find Alcohol and Gambling disgusting, They WILL come for you in the end chaps

Christmas Island would be better...or maybe the Maldives.....

...these are low lying and will be inundated with the rising sea levels in the next few years.....

.....all you will see will be the smokers prodly displaying the glowing embers of the tips of their ciggies above their heads... as the waves gently lap over them....

like a kind of final salute.....

[;)]

Im surprised at you renge, didnt have you down as a "Nannier"

If I gamble I don`t kill others - it is profoundly different as anyone can see.

....i dont hink of myself as such zilzal....i believe each to their own in the main.......

problem with this is that it has been proven so definitively that smoking is linked to lung cancer ..heart disease...diabetes...etc....that it baffles me why people persist.....

....i guess if smokers could entirely keep the smoke to themselves then i could say..its your funeral...enjoy your ciggies.......but they cant.

Mmm never seen anyone go on a drunken rampage after 20 Bensons and kick someones head in

true enough.

why dont we just ban all food that contains any traces of fat/sugar. that would save a good few lives.

A lot of the proceeds of crime go into Gambling though.

Renge, its still legal, so give like minded people a place to go, it had been proved a long time ago, the original bill was fine in that where food was served then smoking was banned, added to the over zealous rule of proof of age in drinking then kids are going to go unsupervised and more likely to take drugs anyway

Yep, FAT TAX, well done Denmark, the sight of wobblies all over the place is offensive on the eye, they should all be sent to Wales......

salmon spray Joined: 10 Jan 07
Replies: 12729 12 Oct 11 13:57   


Cheap beer in supermarkets didn`t suddenly spring into existence in July 2007 Crawford


If you chart via the RPI stats the relative fall in price of off-trade booze relative to inflation, you'll see just how much this has fallen, not even relative to inflation, but in real terms, in the past 5 years or so.

Well they struck at the right time didnt they then?? Good marketing ploy and target smokers with cheaper booze, add on more people using social media and the pubs were never going to stand a chance, freds now used to sitting at home whilst having both a cig and cheaper booze.

Why would he want to go back, have friends around instead!!!

It appears that smoking also does serious damage to the brain cells if the illogical thoughts typed by some here is anything to go by.

some nice relies from the PC brigade on here.

I find it quite logical that like minded people would want to socialize together and find it quite strange that people unaffected would make it their business to interfere with that

After all you wouldnt Find Robert Mugabe and Peter Tatchell in the same place!!!

..EMR...is it politically correct to be against something that is a proven killer....

My problem is I have become very confused since giving up smoking       [smiley:crazy]

Renge , i agreed with the original bill, i dont actually agree with Kids in Pubs but i just dont go in those types of places. The Original Bill would have given the best of both worlds to people

smoking will make a come back when the muslims want to use the hubbly bubbly in the uk.

Publicans also point too tougher drink driving laws and random breath tests as reasons for the decline in pub business.

It doesn't matter any commercial loss from the smoking ban is offset by the greater social benefit.

Lots of greater social benefit around having fewer jobs and less community pubs yep

Plus all the smokers puffing away at home in front of the children.

MASSIVE TAX rise needed on take away alcohol imo, added to the Fat Tax and that could raise a few quid whilst keeping the drunks and fatties off the streets

MASSIVE tax on self-righteous prats needed imo.

Agree SS

ban the smoking

now is can i have a fxxxxxx bag

hang on i just paid with my card

now how  can  i find 5 penny

oh no cant carry it

what the fxxk they thinking off

Parents are allowed to smoke at home in front of their children, very weak Government/society/smoking ban, ban smoking full stop.

big industry,many good jobs.no bad thing that.customers and investors well satisfied.

LOL

Calling for a massive tax on one business to help another business. That would be UK "free" market policies bailing out businesses that are uncompetitive, via taxing people.

Try reducing taxes instead so that people have more disposable income to spend on booze and ****.

Base rate 0.5%, inflation 5% and people want more tax!

People are FREE to decide whether they are self-righteous prats imo.

Well its claimed tht Cigarette taxes are hogh because of the cost to the NHS, im sure that Alcohol related health problems can tbe helped by cheap booze from supermarkets

And a fat tax would help pay for the cost of obesity

i can understand why non smokers are mystified why others smoke but why does it bother you if others want to smoke, it's their funeral. this second hand smoke thing is nonsense these days, when were you anywhere that was full of cigarette smoke lately ?

it's a pretty damn dangerous thing to do in the long term but if smoking in a pub keeps out self rightious little t1ts like lazerous2 then i'm all for it.

ffs let the people who pay the bills decide what legal activities they will allow on their premises and then the customers can decide too.

EU countries urged to pass tougher anti-smoking laws.

The commission is calling for an EU-wide ban on smoking in public places by 2012.

Currently all EU countries have regulations of some kind designed to protect people from second-hand smoke and its harmful effects. But the rules vary widely from country to country.

The UK and Ireland have the strictest laws - a complete ban on smoking in indoor workplaces and public places, including public restaurants and bars. Bulgaria is due to follow suit in 2010.

Greece, Italy, Malta, Sweden, Latvia, Finland, Slovenia, France and Holland have introduced smoke-free legislation that still allows special enclosed smoking rooms.

The EU is now proposing that uniform laws be drafted for all 27 countries to regulate smoking more strictly in public areas and workplaces.

Went to the bank erlier, & feck me , they say you can't have a smoke whilst queing up to be served. Feck me, whats this world comming to. Non smokers, just feck off!!!!!!!!!!

it's a pretty damn dangerous thing to do in the long term but if smoking in a pub keeps out self rightious little t1ts like lazerous2 then i'm all for it.

So, here we have a common vulgarian who cannot spell. I don`t think we need bother ourselves the opinion of his sort.

a

Areas of Germany still flaunt the rules as well.

I think the phucking EU should try and sort out the more urgent matter of the Eurozone financial crisis rather than keep interfering in peoples lives

Oh hell, Lazarus sounds like MFRAUDY

in this instance,fully believe you should give the people what they want.A willing landlord and customers who want to smoke should not be proscribed against.

Silence says it all..

Martyn exposed

Yes. So it is.
But remember mfordy is now OFFICIALLY the great wind-up merchant on here. I bet he has a 60 a day habit.

60 Phonelines per NIGHT FFS....

That as well obviously.

Now now Salmon!!

Good morning.

So, here we have a common vulgarian who cannot spell. I don`t think we need bother ourselves the opinion of his sort.


Good old Martyn.

I cant understand why some people are so interested on what other people are doing, cant be a whole lot going on in their lives

I am with you on the fat tax, zil. I am carefully packing for a flight tomorrow to avoid an excess charge per kilo and could get seated next to an 18 stone tub of lard who will have paid the same as I.

I cant understand why some people are so interested on what other people are doing, cant be a whole lot going on in their lives

How can someone read this thread and so totally and utterly miss the point entirely?

Are you not banned from this forum, Martyn/ mfordy/ ascotponce/ windsorponce etc  ?

I suppose some people like being told what to do and be led by the todger in every walk of life[;)]