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When someone breaks the rules a punishment usually follows in whatever walk of life, but you wouldnt send someone to prison for shoplifting for example. Most punishments are meted out to fit the size of the transgressions. So how the hell can 1 extra flick of a whip, a whip I might add that would cause the minimum of discomfort as it designed to make a noise not a wound, result in a man losing his livelihood for 5 days and deny a sport that is more on its arse than I am as I type this one of its top jockeys.
Wayne rooney blatantly and against all rules and ethos of the game did far worse by lashing out in the calf of his opponent and gets a 1 match ban. Richard Hughe gets a 5 day ban and potentially 30 match bet.
The punishment in no way fits the crime and if and when this gets totally stupid with jockeys being banned daily, they need to unite and if it means every one of them transgressing until there are no jockeys available to ride and racing grinds to a standstill then they must do this.
English racing is already a laughing stock across the world. It is going to become a hell of a lot more comical when our top riders start migrating in summer as well as winter.
Wayne rooney blatantly and against all rules and ethos of the game did far worse by lashing out in the calf of his opponent and gets a 1 match ban. Richard Hughe gets a 5 day ban and potentially 30 match bet.
The punishment in no way fits the crime and if and when this gets totally stupid with jockeys being banned daily, they need to unite and if it means every one of them transgressing until there are no jockeys available to ride and racing grinds to a standstill then they must do this.
English racing is already a laughing stock across the world. It is going to become a hell of a lot more comical when our top riders start migrating in summer as well as winter.
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These decisions should NOT be decided by a panel of AMATEUR Stewards.
All races can be reviewed - at a later date - by a panel made up of ex-jockeys, and other experienced horsemen.
Yes, I know there will be cries of 'goalkeeper's union' etc - given such a structure - but you need to have people who understand thoroughly the task being set ... not judgement by people who are, mostly, appointed by privilege.
All races can be reviewed - at a later date - by a panel made up of ex-jockeys, and other experienced horsemen.
Yes, I know there will be cries of 'goalkeeper's union' etc - given such a structure - but you need to have people who understand thoroughly the task being set ... not judgement by people who are, mostly, appointed by privilege.
This is the work of a man named Jamie Stier who wasnt really wanted in Australia nor was he wanted in Hong Kong, but of course we thought he would be a "great catch".
There has been nothing wromg with our whip rules over the last few years. If anything needed tweeking it was the punishment that was weak and needed tweaking but not the amount of times or the frequency.
So we bring in Skippy to sort it out and he asks every Tom, Dick and Harry what is their perception of the whip in horse racing. Its irrelevant that none of them would know one end of an horse from another or that they probably neither go to or watch our sport.
Quite obviously they are not going to like it. Its like asking me about bullfighting or the running of the bulls in Pamplona or even hare coursing. My thoughts are its mot very nice but you could write what I know about all 3 on the back of a stamp. So what they hell have they got to do with anything.
Most of the jocks are not that bothered about the 7 stokes and 5 in the last furlong rule. What they are most concerned about is that 1 extra smack will cost you 5 days of last income.
Imagine if K Fallon or P Hanagan hit 1 once too many times at Newcastle tomorrow. It ruins the jockeys championship from an interest point of view. Or on the other hand in a finish on a lazy horse, they dont hit it more than the allotted and the horse gets beat. Do we really want to see the best horses not winning races as all are different. Some do everything on the bridle and some need encouragement.
Imagaine if Frankel with the same ability was a lazy type and it needed plenty of encouragement. He is unbeaten so far but would connections let him run again if the knew he wouldnt give his all without the necessary encouragement. The sport would be robbed of its best stars both equine and human.
Something has to give because the rules as they now stand will not be for the good of the sport
There has been nothing wromg with our whip rules over the last few years. If anything needed tweeking it was the punishment that was weak and needed tweaking but not the amount of times or the frequency.
So we bring in Skippy to sort it out and he asks every Tom, Dick and Harry what is their perception of the whip in horse racing. Its irrelevant that none of them would know one end of an horse from another or that they probably neither go to or watch our sport.
Quite obviously they are not going to like it. Its like asking me about bullfighting or the running of the bulls in Pamplona or even hare coursing. My thoughts are its mot very nice but you could write what I know about all 3 on the back of a stamp. So what they hell have they got to do with anything.
Most of the jocks are not that bothered about the 7 stokes and 5 in the last furlong rule. What they are most concerned about is that 1 extra smack will cost you 5 days of last income.
Imagine if K Fallon or P Hanagan hit 1 once too many times at Newcastle tomorrow. It ruins the jockeys championship from an interest point of view. Or on the other hand in a finish on a lazy horse, they dont hit it more than the allotted and the horse gets beat. Do we really want to see the best horses not winning races as all are different. Some do everything on the bridle and some need encouragement.
Imagaine if Frankel with the same ability was a lazy type and it needed plenty of encouragement. He is unbeaten so far but would connections let him run again if the knew he wouldnt give his all without the necessary encouragement. The sport would be robbed of its best stars both equine and human.
Something has to give because the rules as they now stand will not be for the good of the sport
imo you can't really blame the stewards for these sentences as they're alcaholics.
The punishments could see jockeys start erring on the side of caution instead of having to rely on counting in the heat of battle especially when jockeys have no vested interest.
We could have a situation where the average punters perception of non triers goes through the roof. You only have to read the forum every day to see this is a big issue.
What will more likely positively affect betting turnover? - Attracting new money by restricting the whip or losing existing money because of the negative perception of seeing a jockey not going all out?
We could have a situation where the average punters perception of non triers goes through the roof. You only have to read the forum every day to see this is a big issue.
What will more likely positively affect betting turnover? - Attracting new money by restricting the whip or losing existing money because of the negative perception of seeing a jockey not going all out?
there are to many outsiders running british racing..why in gods name do you need to bring in an aussie to tell you what to do....surely we need to bring back the jockey club....
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It was a miracle when we got rid of them for first time.
It was a miracle when we got rid of them for first time.
onlooker at least they had the good of racing at heart ..even if they were a it bossy ...the hra seems to pander to everyone bar racing folk....
How many times do we see an idling horse prick it's ears and refuse to run on under maximum whackings? What about as soon as a horse finishes the race, look at them and every one of them has their ears pricked bolt upright as well as taking them half a mile to pull up. They arent being hurt they are having fun.
having watched the race many times I still can't really see that could cause a 15 and 5 day ban...how could the Stewards know if Fox was hitting the horse or just waiving his stick....
This is all something of a Red Herring just a precursor to the total banning of the whip
being used to encourage horses to keep on galloping when they have had enough, the use of
the whip in that context will be ended within 5 years and imo quite rightly so.
being used to encourage horses to keep on galloping when they have had enough, the use of
the whip in that context will be ended within 5 years and imo quite rightly so.
As far as hughes was concerned he thought a smack to control the horse was allowed you would have thought on the first day a little leeway in rules might be allowed to get used to them.
As the rules have been brought in to enhance the perception of racing from the view of the man on the street....why not go out and drag six guys in from off the street, show them the "offence" hughes committed and ask them if "they" think that he deserves to lose 5 days of his livelihood!!!
Essentially in favour of new whip rules but disappointed at the Hughes ban....surely on day 1 (and prob to end of turf season), it would have been fair to give the benefit of the doubt to the jocks in any close-call judgements such as that, whilst at the same time issuing a warning for the future. To not do so is just inviting controversy and resentment.
duncan I must agree thyat on the eye it did not look terrible and 5 days for that did look excessive,
the apprentice got what he deserved, he was taking the piss.
the apprentice got what he deserved, he was taking the piss.
urchin, I also know nothing about bullfighting, but have been to one and was one of the most horrific sights of my life. Would happily ban that "sport" where the poor creature is just goaded from second one in the ring, suffering an hour of stabbing, drugging, torture and a slow death.
When lydia interviewed one of the stewards he said he was dissappointed the jockeys had not stuck to the new rules i wonder how he would have got on trying to change the habit of a lifetime on the first day .
indeed, wee eck...they had no option but to treat Fox the way they did. In fact, it was probably a perfect scenario for them, the chance to issue a stiff penalty in a clear-cut case.
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