New oncourse bookmakers software

You lot must be sick of paying £20 every day

Paddy the percent a runner sounds good!.... Does that mean you would bet e/w 1/4 first 4.. Cos the place margin would be right then!... Just think all the e/w shop punters would come flooding back

Cashless, yes I remember you, you were a bit shouty. You should have just asked.  Options A and C are a bit close together - rock and a hard place.  I think it was a 3 horse race if I remember rightly.  Thanks for pointing that out, that bug was raised an has been fixed - software in progress.

I'm with you Oaklands. The £20 daily RDT charge is in my opinion really poor value for what you get in terms of support.

Paddy, if you want high-grade explosives installed we might have to think of charging, still hardware sales might go through the roof.  Do you have any targets in mind?

So if you have two seperate races on display (as shown on your website) does your laptop have a split screen too? Or do you have to have a) a second laptop or b) another window open on your sole laptop and switch between them?

I would think it's difficult to bet on two races at the same time and it would be confusing for the punters as well. Every bet you take "10 number one please" would be met with "which race do you want". I think you would be inviting queries from punters

Forecasts or maybe w/o fav will prob be okay, but not two races at once.

Good luck with this system.  I remember seeing you use it at the July Silver ring in August.

Not being a lover of change, i am personally very happy with RDT and their service, even at £20 per day.  Remember they are on course every day at every course, usually with a supply of spares and a reliable signal etc.  I will not be rushing to sign up.

In practice the need for a split screen for a forcast is minimal, certainly for me, in fact i  believe we can accept f/c bets with RDt if you want to in anycase.

Best feature will be its compatibility with existing equipment and being able to offer Betfair but i feel for simpletons, of which i class myself, you will be better staying where you are and that takes care of the majority. 

The lovers of IT will want to see it and play with it and possibly use it but again these will be in the minority.

That said, good luck and look forward to seeing you on course and hearing about your progress.  Regards Steve

Muldvap  -Hope your new venture goes well. I must admit the option of the work at home clerk is particularly appealing as Im struggling to organise time away from family to go racing as much as I use to and this could solve a problem. My concern would be the network connection. Epsom Derby is one of my best meetings but this year I had no connection at all on the Saturday.

intheknow, when displaying multiple markets you have one laptop showing the standard screen but you toggle between the two markets.  Generally, in our experience punters have been very good and when you have more than one win market displayed will indicate which they want i.e. "on the national, number 4....".

Obviously this isn't new, many books will have bet on two races before on the big days by having an extra white board with them.  Now they don't need the extra board.

Whatever happened to bookies who were not afraid of using a piece of chalk and a duster, calculated their own profit and loss using mental agility, employed tic-tac men and didn't follow the crowd?

Or are those days just a figment of my imagination?

some of us are still here , lucky , and i still have that equipment under the bed [ not the tic tac man ] but if i got it out and used it i would be totally ignored by the modern public

they went pop

It used to be great at the dogs when someone would have a bit of a plunge on a particular dog and the rest of the bookies were unsure as to what they were going to be hit with and in sheer panic they'd all get their dusters and wipe out the odds for all the runners until some order was restored.

Exciting days.

It all sounds very interesting and i congratulate those involved.

I just wonder if the remote element would fall foul of the GC rules i.e. they cannot be sure that the person pressing the buttons is 18+

Looks good, now there just needs to be a competitior with the led boards!

When first reading this I wasn't taking a lot of notice but the operator being at home could certainly be of benefit to people like myself.
Quite often I miss meetings because my staff(family)are both working & they cann't get to the courses in time.For evening meetings they could finish work & then do the clerking.On a Friday the daughter has the afternoon off,so once again this brings the Friday afternoons into play for me.
Good luck with your system,for me it could certainly be a winner.

muldvap

Is it possible to enter your own meeting and runners to make useful for point to points

All very well saying 'on the national, number 4 etc', if you had the national displayed then you wouldn't have any room to display another race.

If you had the 3.40 & 4.10 races up at the same time and they both had 8 runners, that's where the confusion comes in.

Overall, competition is a good thing & I wish you success

yeah you can enter your own meeting data.  it does have a point to point download option also, but this is not up and running yet.

intheknow, you'd have the 2.30 race up at the top of the board, and the national would scroll round the remaining lines.  could do with a 40 line board though .  as soon as you get rid of the 2.30 race, the national would automatically use up all the board.  it is useful for feature races, not really for consecutive races on the day.

I'd love to be a bookie, shouting the odds:-

"Roll up! Roll up! Lucky Lucan will lay you any horse for any amount you want. I'll even give you an extra point compared to the rest of the bookies here. Roll up! Have a bet with me and you can have your next bet free! Can't be fairer than that. Lucan is yer' man for all races."

Needs to satisfy three main criteria - cost, simplicity of use, reliability inc. sustained connectivity. Oh and I forgot an acceptable audit trail ( so that's four ) - the tax man will want that !! [:(]

Were C&T using it at Belle Vue last night ?  I noticed that they were giving printed tickets.

On second thoughts, that could have been the bookie next to them.

What a system Ian - you take the bets and the tickets come out on the bookie's printer next door !!!!

LuckyLucan

Skint after two races then...

MaxED,

cost - tick,
simplicity of use - hopefully a tick
reliability inc. sustained connectivity - confident software is reliable, but still working on getting better connection - so a partial tick, can do better!
audit trail - this is in progress, wont be a problem tho - just have to print out the database in a nice format.

MaxED, apologies I got mixed up there.  The above post was a reply to democrat.  Do you mean were not competitive on the price of LED boards - or we need a competitor to the manufacturer?

IanP,

The Greyhound side of C&T parted company with the Horse side quite a while ago now.  I'm not sure what they use now, but back then it was RCS.

It's only the winning tickets that are printed from next doors machine, did we not mention that?

Nice one whiskyalpha.[;)]

Can anyone answer me this please. I seem to remember bookmakers having something on their boards to the effect that they were members of '.....bookmakers association' or other, and always used to wonder whether they all met up together once a month to enjoy some hospitality and plan some devious schemes to outwit the punters?

Meant to what was currently available, wasn't aware you actualy sold them till just now.

If anyone would like to have play with the software today, my mate will be available on Skype (elitebookmaking) to help you set it up properly if needed.

going a bit far now [ skype ]
most using the RDT system break into a cold sweat if help is not holding their hand or within shouting distance

muldvap-Iwill give you a call in the near future-I am the one who chats to the vet.

Hope I'm not being too cynical here, but this sounds like a pitch renters paradise.

The 2 points where Exante have failed to address their users needs are with networking and reliance on 3g dongles from Vodafone etc.  The exante software itself is excellent and the system is totally configurable to your own requirements.  Without the networking and a wireless network on course it was useless to me as it failed most busy days.  Unless the new software includes a private network I'm out (as they say on Dragons Den).

Wish you well with it though.  Sort out a private network and the wireless networking of pitches together then, being alighned to betfair, you'll be on a winner!

i dont understand technology but i promise you wont meet a more decent person than muldvap

I agree wassy. Have you ditched Exante completely. I believe some operators use it when it works but reluctantly opt for RDT at big meetings i.e they have both systems on their laptop.

This pitch renting thing.. Can't see the gc letting this go on forever

We tried half/half for a while but ended up taking wrong keyboards etc so decided to jump ship altogether and just use RDT.  No aggravation anymore.  I swear Exante took 10 years off my life.

Yes wassy - dropping off Internet connection at vital times and not re-connecting. Apologising to punter waiting to have a bet while machine refuses to connect - been there, done that - not good for the nerves !

This software does have private networking.  You have to put in a network name and password to setup your private network.

Muldvap.  Certainly creating more interest than i first thought.  Good Luck

Networking via dongles sounds like a recipe for disaster.

democrat, not being able to place a bet while trying to log-in to the exchanges on the "other" software, that was one of my pet hates too.  I didn't know time could tick so slowly as when you had a queue and were waiting for it to reconnect.  Needless to say we changed that in our software - it will login to the exchange in the background allowing you to carry on betting.  If your signal drops and you do lose connection, it will continually attempt to reconnect in the background again letting you continue betting.

WHAT A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS WHEN READING THE ABOVE POSTS THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKING GAME IS IN,"APOLOGISING TO PUNTER WAITING TO HAVE A BET WHILE MACHINE REFUSES TO CONNECT"U COULDNT WRITE IT.IF U DIDNT BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE RING ARE NOW COMMISSION AGENTS,FOR GODS SAKE,PITIFUL

HEAVEN FORBID THEY MIGHT HAVE TO LAY ONE!

The Truth - As you know most on-course are on RDT - You just identified a unique selling point foe Exante there - all exchange agents changing to this system as we speak.  For clarification the system simply won't take a bet whilst it is trying to access the exchange.

yes , thank god i use exante , i couldn't stand all this hassle

muldvap     10 Oct 11 11:15 
democrat, not being able to place a bet while trying to log-in to the exchanges on the "other" software, that was one of my pet hates too.  I didn't know time could tick so slowly as when you had a queue and were waiting for it to reconnect.  Needless to say we changed that in our software - it will login to the exchange in the background allowing you to carry on betting.  If your signal drops and you do lose connection, it will continually attempt to reconnect in the background again letting you continue betting.
THETRUTHHURTS     10 Oct 11 11:24 
WHAT A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS WHEN READING THE ABOVE POSTS THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKING GAME IS IN,"APOLOGISING TO PUNTER WAITING TO HAVE A BET WHILE MACHINE REFUSES TO CONNECT"U COULDNT WRITE IT.IF U DIDNT BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE RING ARE NOW COMMISSION AGENTS,FOR GODS SAKE,PITIFUL


I ve got agree with Tim here, not taking a bet because you not connected to an exchange is laughable.

the point is with the other software you CANT take a bet once youve clicked connect - the software locks up for upto a minute while it connects.  were not 'not taking bets because were not connected' - were not taking them because the software doesnt allow you to print tickets.  thankfully elite does not have this issue.

You've got it wrong.  The software freezes up the bet system while it tries to reconnect - you can't take a bet even if you want to.  Its not the case that the bookmaker refuses bets (although some do ie. Jockey Wilson).

my reply was to corbiewood

agreed - although i wouldnt know about jockey

you're lucky

i hear you only made a brief visit to york on saturday , paddy ?

Yes Adge.. me and Rog had a good look and went home. Best decision I made all weekend.. what with the rugby and that!! 

Surely it won't be long before Betfair have their own commission agents in the ring instead of you lot? At Fontwell recently most of the "punters" betting at the ring were idiots from Southern Water. I imagine most of the punters with half a brain used their phone to get onto BF or bookmaker that doesn't offer 1/6th odds and shít prices.

i hope so , xoxo , but i don't bet at fontwell for you , unfortunately

adge you're not called Roy by any chance are you?

no sorry , but i do support the rovers , are there many idiots at southern water btw ?

im well aware of the freezing issue, I apologize if i ve jumped to conclusions but it does read that he s not wanting to take a bet as the signals went for the ****.

bdaq

PRICES SHOULDNT BE DISPLAYED ON THE BOARD IF U ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE A BET,END OF!

agreed , but if the system freezes you can't take a bet OR switch the board off

Good point fact machine!... But who are the best for ?.. The paying public or other bookmakers?.. I've heard it so many times of mates .. They go in for a price only for the other books to jump in and take it!.. And you wonder why less people go racing!...

Does anyone know if exante are any closer to resolving the network connection issue (I know they used a private network at cheltenham) or if there software has been upgraded to avoid the freezing problem when reconnecting?

I'm not in the loop anymore Davy but I don't think so.  Also, their using existing wi-fi on course at Cheltenham and Doncaster was nothing short of a disaster!

What was the problem with the wifi ,signal strength? I heard it worked ok at the festival.

Very busy airwaves meant that the signal reached the front line in tatts and not beyond at Cheltenham.  Trouble was they tested it on a day they weren't racing - worked fine then with no competing users.

oxox

only ONE bookmaker bets 1/6th at fontwell yet you come on here implying the punters had to bet 1/6th.percentage wise i very much doubt there is a fairer ring in the country as fontwell tatts ,i know they dont get many 16 runner h/caps but when they do the punters will be able to get on at 1/4 1st 4.

Thanks wasnt, id heard the singal was ok in best mate but maybe thats not the case. For sure Epsom Derby Day was a big problem, end up with very lop sided books that cost me dearly on the last race. This new software whilst perhaps offering more options and fewer bugs will I guess have same issue re.connectivity on busy days.

maybe he's one of those idiots from southern water who are apparantly flooding the betting ring

Anyone had any updates on the new elite software?

I think Spinning Mick uses it and the word is that he's very pleased

Has he tried 'remote clerking'?

sorry, no idea

I have used it 6 or 7 times now and once you have got the slight differences to the keyboard functions (RDT I don't know about exante) in your head it works well. There have been a lot of updates to the software that make it more user friendly.

Has anything been done about the issue of connectivity? From what I can gather they will face the same issues that Exante face ie as soon as you try to use at a busy meeting such as Cheltenahm Fest, Epsom Derby, Aintree then you lose signal. That is arguably the most important issue compared to say using split screens.

We've been concentrating on improving the software, with the help from whiskyalpha and other users.  We've added lots of new features, and have ironed out any issues found along the way. 

Connectivity is something we will be looking into more now, as we are at a stage where we feel users will be happy with the functionality of the latest release.

TURKEYS STILL VOTING FOR XMAS I SEEOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED

AT ALL COSTS,KEEP IT IN THE RING!MIGHT HAVE TO START DOING A NEV EMERY AND SACK THE ARBERS FULL STOP

NOT BEFORE XMAS...SHOW A BIT OF HEART

IF THE CONECTIVITYS A BIT SLOW PERHAPS YOU OUGHT TO CHANGE THE PLUG

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE .."NEW YEARS SALES"....PUT UP A SIGN AT THE NEXT MEETING ........."EVERYTHING MUST GO"

MIND U,I MIGHT HAVE TO BACKTRACK ON THE "NOT LAYING ARBERS",80% OF MY BUSINESS IS OFF OTHER BOOKMAKERS(COMMISION AGENTS,PUNTING BOOKMAKERS)

GIVE OUT STAMPS TO PUNTERS AND START A FORM OF CO-OPERATIVE BOOK SCEME A BIT LIKE LADDYS ODDS ON CARD ,JUST THINK ON THE STAMPS YOU COULD HAVE A PICTURE OF YA SELF ......MIND YOU WHEN YOU LICK EM AND STICK EM ITLL LEAVE A FUNNY OLD TASTE ON YA TONGUS ....OR YA COULD PUT A PICTURE OFF MATTS BIRD INSTEAD SHED TASTE BETTER THAN YOU ......AS LONG AS SAWYERS DONT START THAT UP IT DONT SOUND LIKE A BAD IDEA DONT FANCY LICKING BRADFORD HUDDESFIELD OT DONEITHERE DO YOU

How is this software going in the UK these days? Did anyone end up using it?

RDT tried to enter the Australian Market about 7 years ago and didn't do very well, would be interesting to hear how this software is going...

Hi, no need for new software.

Simple operation.

If you have Office it’s just a polite tap to the bookies behind you, hi sir do you mind if I cooy your board and make the odd price worse to make a bit of commission, like 99 percent of the folk here I’m not a real
Bookie.

Repeat until ring up to 130%, come racing bla bla

haha Itsmeswaddle

Bit like that in Aust these days as well. Betfair went down for 4 races last wednesday... every bookie was completely lost without it.

There’s no easy solution.

But boils my pish when any bookmaker asks like the deserve to cop a fortune.

If you stand a few favourites at 0-5% less than BF and they get turned over fair play to you.

If you take 100 bets and trade them in for commission and make 165 quid on the day then you’ve conducted a minimum wage job.

Acts like

The not so new software is still going if that helps.


Here's a shameless plug of Elite's new board!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pvzOjRRuSbQildoynfpzEayLxc6C5ytg/view

'Plug' ? Please spare us the puns Mr. Fibber ! The link did not work for me - who are the directors on this 'new board' ? Boom boom !!

harryk the basis of the RDT software came from Australia over 20 years ago

Shalimah. I know ;-). I put W/Odds out of business long ago... but like ALL on-course software providers, we are going through the motions these days..

Harry is the boss of w/odds still alive, Graham I think. If so give him my regards, I was jointly his first uk customer 1998 leger meeting.

Grahame is still alive. Not in the bookmaking game anymore, been retired for 15+ years. Living the life of a grey nomad in Tasmania mostly I believe. I see one of his sons occassionally at the races. Graham was a good guy.

Thanks Harry, Grahame was very likeable fellow. one of his sons came over with him and stayed a while after Grahame went back, when he did finally go home he took a local young lady with him. Last I heard of Grahame he was involved in a large leisure development including a marina.