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Now that the proper stuff is almost upon us thoughts are wandering toward the HCGC,KG,GC etc.
I know at least one who rates Time For Rupert as one to usurp Long Run,cant buy that on any known reasoning.
I know at least one who rates Time For Rupert as one to usurp Long Run,cant buy that on any known reasoning.
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Agreed den,still a big one in KS,could be Kempton,definitely a fcast with LR and dutched bet at the mo.
I have no interest in this CASLESS person. I was pointing you in the direction of something that COULD beat Long Run. You can forget about Kauto Star and Denman. Too old at 12 these days.
I have even less in this Busvaldo.
God the forum really is going downhill
God the forum really is going downhill
I know what you meant SS (in both cases).Cant see how you can write KS and Denman off just on age grounds.Modern thinking seems to write NH horses off at 10 and yet there is no reason why a 12yo cannot win a big one or 13 for that matter.
Kauto and denman havent been overly raced, should get at least 1 more great run from them. Not sure about cheltenham, imperial could do it there, but the KG and maybe the hennesey
ACTUALLY IF YOU THINK THIS LONG RUN IS SOMETHING SPCIAL YOUR ALL DELUDED COME END OF MARCH ITLL BE "WHAT WAS ALL THAT ABOUT"
Schooled very well recently,always was going to be a chaser.Very interesting this season.[;)]
Last 12-y-o to win The Gold Cup was What A Myth in 1968. Tied Cottage was admittedly the moral winner about 30 years ago. But fewer big races are won by older horses now. May be training methods or possibly smaller fence or even breeding. Kauto Star was still at his best at 9,slightly surprisingly for a French-bred but has been going gradually downhill since. Denman has looked fragile since his Gold Cup win though obviously he has come up with the odd exceptional performance. I think you will see them both have no more than 2 races then be retired. Pity because if the handicapper was realistic they copuld win something like the Whitbread but not off 170.
No problem cashless,KG and GC more than paid for any future upsets.[;)]
Idk about that, Longrun defo is the one to take over the mantle over the coming years, he is that good. If kauto, denman or imperial fail to deliver this year then it will be all Longrun. He is gonna be a great horse.
Weapon's Amnesty in the Gold Cup if back to the way he was before
Captain Chris may do him at Kempton
Don't think Long Run is all he's cracked up to me, may have to learn the hard way though
Captain Chris may do him at Kempton
Don't think Long Run is all he's cracked up to me, may have to learn the hard way though
If you can get Sam Waley-Cohen out of the Pimms tent?[;)]
Sometimes in a quiet moment my mind drifts and I see a wet feb and march, then I see Pandorama a length up and swinging between the final two fences
THE MAIN BOYS WERE WELL ON DECLINE AT THE START OF LAST SEASON AND CONTINUED THAT DURING THE YEAR ...TOP DOG CAME ON THE SCENE AND THATS WHAT HE WAS TOP DOG .....NOTHING WAS THERE TO CHALLENGE THAT POSITION CAUS ETHERE WASNT A LOT ABOUT NEXT SEASON IN TERMS OFF CLASS WILL BE VERY BORING
FFT how can you say that about a horse so young who has already won a KG and GC,beating the best chasers around?
Including the best Kempton horse since Dessie and probably the best ever KS.
Including the best Kempton horse since Dessie and probably the best ever KS.
Think both pieces of form are suspect.
Only serious challenger at Kempton bled and didn't run his race, Riverside Theatre a doubtful 3 miler although decent at Kempton
Gold Cup form questionable at best, given how Denman and Kauto looked to have him cooked at the top of the hill but the old guard tired towards finish, and Long Run just kept on. Look at the rest of the field in behind, they all come back to them as if they ran on at the finish
He isn't the second coming imo, but obviously he has to be respected
Only serious challenger at Kempton bled and didn't run his race, Riverside Theatre a doubtful 3 miler although decent at Kempton
Gold Cup form questionable at best, given how Denman and Kauto looked to have him cooked at the top of the hill but the old guard tired towards finish, and Long Run just kept on. Look at the rest of the field in behind, they all come back to them as if they ran on at the finish
He isn't the second coming imo, but obviously he has to be respected
Clock at Kempton didnt lie despite any others not firing.
Suppose it doesn't but race times are misleading imo, a lot depends on how the races are run.
I still don't think that LR jumps well enough and I really don't believe that he beat a Denman or Kauto Star at their peaks. They aren't/weren't even 90% the same horses imo.
We'll see though.
We'll see though.
Apart from visual evidence it is fairly reliable busvaldo,LR was about 4 secs faster than KS was in his[;)] previous years romp.
Always respect your views ryan but he has never looked like falling,slight lack of confidence from SWC was the problem imo,slightly hesitant at his fences,not now.
Thats the tricast sorted again reve.
[;)]
Thats the tricast sorted again reve.
[;)]
Weapons Amnesty if his injury has left no long term scars is a challenger for the Gold cup,same with Pandorama if somehow the heavens open around March [;)]
reve, if he does then ruby walsh is a lying cnunt, cause I remember a comment he made 2-3 years ago. Asked whether Master minded would stay 3 miles he said "He wouldnt get 3 miles in a plane"
whos to say that last season might not be long runs best season, a lot of french breds form tails of very quickly at 7 or 8 and they were very good young horses.
i could see bostons angel and magnanimity both by winged love improving again this season and although the sun alliance has not been a great race and second season chasers find it hard i think last years race just might be the exception.
i could see bostons angel and magnanimity both by winged love improving again this season and although the sun alliance has not been a great race and second season chasers find it hard i think last years race just might be the exception.
kauto has been a bit of an exception though if you think about it.
Busvaldo why would you laugh at weapons amnesty?He jumps a dream and has beaten long run before,remember the RSA? He was dam impressive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_ujHbHW24
Just being facetious flush but I do think LR is going to be similar,NH will be very careful with his campaigning.
History gives you a clue,unlike Paul Nicholls really?!
if MM stays the KG he'll beat LR imo!! his jumping is phenomenal!
Is that other Australian donkey still running over in UK,cant remember its name.Maybe megsy of someone can remind us.[;)]
Was all primed for the CH by his trainer who moved to England?
[;)]Was all primed for the CH by his trainer who moved to England?
Apart from Dessie, name a winner of a grade one chase when they were eleven rising twelve
Just off the top of my head,1927,45,46,50,62,69 Gold Cups and 51 GC 12 rising 13.[;)]
Champion Chase,76 and rising 13 in 77 Skymas,Moscow Flyer 2005.[;)]
So no modern chasers then??
Most of the horses in the 40s had been ate
Most of the horses in the 40s had been ate
So no modern chasers then??
Most of the horses in the 40s had been ate
Most of the horses in the 40s had been ate
Naughty Molerat, Moscow was in the spring of his 11yo career
Moscow Flyer,never heard an Irish celebration like it!Lifted the roof off!
But Dessie did mange to give a Irish Hennessey winner weight and a thumping at the age of 12 at Sandown
Just think what he would have been rated with Phil in charge??
Just think what he would have been rated with Phil in charge??
Times have changed zilzal,not so many old fashioned bred chasers and not so many running at 11 or 12.Still no reason why KS or Denman dont have one left in them imo.
Old chasers go quickly between 11 and 12, cant see either of them winning a grade one unless its really weak
They do not win at that age ZIL,you are a bad lad MOLE!
And Skymas only one because Bula broke down and fell(fatally after)
Incidentally Bula was the only horse i remember being a beaten fav in all of
The Champion Hurdle, Gold Cup, KIng George,and Champion Chase!!
Incidentally Bula was the only horse i remember being a beaten fav in all of
The Champion Hurdle, Gold Cup, KIng George,and Champion Chase!!
Anyway Mole to leave you with a puzzle, who is the only horse in the last 40 years to be a beaten fav in successive Arcs??
No idea zilzal,enlighten?
Btw previous was a play on the name,dont think she ever ran in the Arc.Most painful beaten fav ever was Sagace.[;)]
Btw previous was a play on the name,dont think she ever ran in the Arc.Most painful beaten fav ever was Sagace.[;)]
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