will frankel ever run the derby or arc?

Yes, being aimed at the Derby 2012

derby for 3 yr olds only paul.

and he'll never run in the arc imo.

so why were they on about him going for the derby 2011?

derby for 3 yr olds only paul.

Don't listen to ILikeWavingAtBuses.. he is trying to confuse you.

frankel really need to win on the 15th oct to keep the image up over the close season

becuase hes 3 now, he couldve run in the derby this yr but they decided not to run hi due to suspect stamina concerns!

ryan

reckon he'll win the QEII buses?

becuase hes 3 now, he couldve run in the derby this yr but they decided not to run hi due to suspect stamina concerns!

He will be coming back next year to win the Derby, after a hurdling campaign through the winter. They've decided to go straight over fences, and to ignore a novice campaign, and go for the Cheltenham Gold Cup. They fear the 3m3f trip may too short though, so we might see him in the grand national afterwards.

paulme     02 Oct 11 22:16 
so why were they on about him going for the derby 2011?


They changed their minds and saw sense.

Traditionally horses step up in trip as they get over, and connections felt as though 12 furlongs would be too soon for him this year, so going for the 2012 race

Champion Hurdle imo



might be a bit young yet though

^


yes pal i think if he reproduces his form he'll win easily but u never know! the others need him to underperfom to win!

He will be coming back next year to win the Derby, after a hurdling campaign through the winter. They've decided to go straight over fences, and to ignore a novice campaign, and go for the Cheltenham Gold Cup. They fear the 3m3f trip may too short though, so we might see him in the grand national afterwards.

i for one would love to see queally and frankel sailing over Becher's

Well he is a beast of a horse, just a shame that he's worth wayyyyy too much money to be ever seen near a hurdle, let alone a fence.

Champion Bumper then?

If he met with an unfortunate accident involving his genitalia then he could make a great jumper imo.

have any horses won big races on flat AND over jumps?

JP Mcmanus seen with Henderson and a pair of nutcrackers sneeking into Cecils yard in the dead of night.

yes

he'd win a hurdle race over 6f.

well then i wanna see Frankel in the national, and Big Bucks in the Derby

Big Buck's should go for the Ascot GC imo

Nice catch there paulme,not often ilwab gets into the net.(hopefully it was a dangle for a mackerel)
If not

haha i was thinkin it was a fishing exercise but i actually believe he didnt know!

Frankel would have won that ARC Today imo,Without any shadow of doubt

Definitely OTS,would have won easily.[;)]Btw SNA ran a cracker for you.

oh the 3 year old thing? nah i didnt know actually

Yes,was delighted to get a good run for my money gt,thought he had it turning for home
Strange run by WF,though cleary something wrong with the horse as cleary wasnt his running

Just the relentless pace caught him and others out imo OTS,wasnt the usual late sprint,solid sectionals.He got hampered similar to Sarafina last year but would never have won in a million years,ditto the others.

SYT was nice result but ran a good race just the same,being re-named for a US campaign So You Thought.

Brillaint,dont tell the aussies that one,i was on their forum earlier,their still very angry
their moving on to Black Caviar as the best thing since sliced bread now
Surely WF beaten too far too be true gt??form of stoute could be another factor

To go back to the question about horses winning big races on the flat
Royal Gait won The Champion Hurdle 4 years after being disqualified after passing the post first in The Ascot Gold Cup.
There aren`t that many because historically geldings were excluded from practically all the big flat w-f-a races. Brown Jack won The Champion Hurdle and The Queen Alexandra Stakes ( several times ) when the latter was considerably more prestigious. A bit later Trelawny won the same flat race and the Spa Hurdle,which was the rather less prestigious forerunner of the World/Stayers Hurdle. The 61 St Leger winner Aurelius was very good over both fhurdles and fences after proving sterile,but I don`t think he won a REALLY big race.

im not an aussie but Black Caviar is amazing. when we gonna see him taking on our Frankel? maybe next years Grand National?

Stable had him spot on OTS,molerat has been watching for weeks,said he was best he had seen him,so a mystery.However I couldnt see anything wrong with him,SMS looked well peed off though.

thanks salmon

no no its already been scheduled


feb 2nd 2.40 plumpton nov hurdle

what has buses? too many convo's going on here.

Black Caviar is a she Paul

bc v frankel race paul

Frankel would píss all over Black Caviar,every time i look Frankels form is franked,He murdered Dream Ahead,look what hes done since,ditto excelebration and loads of others,cant be arsed writing them all out

link buses?

paul tell me youre joking!

please

ah didnt read the hurdle bit

check out BC on youtube though. beast of a horse

oh i know her well

backing frankel for the QEII buses?

nah ill just watch him i think paul!  i guess it depends on his price but he'll be 1/3 ish .

not as confident of a win as i was v canford cliffs but still

nothing as good as canford here imo.

excellerbration might give him a race for awhile but frankel travels so fast and does it so easily hes difficult to lay up with mid race!

I see Skinto has put up your horse ilwab,Mince,running today.

Will you be on this time?

Canford Cliffs would have been Odds On in the QEII if he'd ran instead of Frankel

oh right. anyone seen that other unbeaten horse, Harbour Watch? no videos online

go on sportinglife.com paul, they have free video form on there.

ah cool cheers, more on here than attheraces

buses why was frankel favourite in his first race?

I've already backed him to win the gold cup in 2012.

Easy Money.

not The National

Tried the national but bookies wouldn't lay me.

Must be a dead cert

[smiley:crazy]

In a recent interview with Matt Champman, Cecil said he didn't feel Frankel mas mature enough to win the "Triple Crown" this year but with another 12 months on his back he will be hoping to take in the Guineas again as well as the Derby and St Ledger in 2012.

At the end of the Interview Champman asked Cecil if he thought there was any chance of Frankel staying in training as a 5 year old and this is what Cecil said - "I'm really not sure...you know. What do you think? The Prince is a super owner and he's never had the winner of the Kentucky Derby. Nothing is set in stone at this stage but I think a tilt at the 2013 American "Triple Crown" is a definite possible...you know. Of course that won't be easy with the likes of Uncle Mo, Goldikova and The Tattling possibly taking part so we will have to see. A lot of water will have passed under the bridge between now and then...what do you think?"

frankel was fav for his maiden based on homework/breeding/who trained him and his enteries so he was obviously good!

harbour watch is a good horse but wont stay a mile imo.

1000 gns 3 year old fillies 8 fur
2000 gns 3 year old colts and fillies 8 fur
derby 3 year old colts and fillies 12 furl
oaks 3 year old fillies 12 fur
st leger 3 year old colts and fillies14 fur  all the above in eng   

same in ireland exept their st leger open for older horses as well ,   just incase someone wanted to know

Could run Frankel in Irish Leger next year. Had forgotten about The Tatling for the national which should have been obvious to everyone. I reckon he would be warming up just after the elbow and would sail home from here. What with practically no whips allowed now anything could win the National.

Oh dear!! Paulme i hope u only bet horses for fun, if not your name will soon change 2 Poorme! Frankel is 1 of the best millers we have seen and all being well with him, will win the QE11. If it came up soft the French filly Immortal Verse could make a race of it. As for Frankel running in the Arc, i would be amazed if he got that trip. He will hopefully get 10fs and take in most of the top races at that dist next season. Only 3yo colts & fillys can run in the Derby. As for top flat horses winning over jumps, Sea Pigeon, Royal Gait and Kribensis all won good flat races and all won the Chmp Hdle.