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Ruby Walsh expresses unease with new BHA whip rules
Ruby Walsh expresses unease with new BHA whip rules
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This new whip rule is a load of **** IMO.Thrashing the crap out of them is not the go,agreed,whether its Murphy or McCoy.
Horses,like people,work differently,should this option be taken away from the horseman riding it? Personally,i think not. |
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Irish Turf Club
The Stewards of the Governing Bodies have announced the setting up of a Sub-Committee to examine the current whip rules in the context of the detailed recommendations made by the British Horseracing Authority (BHA) following its review of the use of the whip in horseracing which was published earlier this week. The terms of reference for the Sub-Committee will be: (i) to examine the BHA recommendations in the context of the current Irish whip rules and guidelines with a view to determining how many, if any, of the recommendations should be introduced in Ireland. (ii) to consult widely with industry stakeholders on the use of the whip in Ireland. (iii) to consider any other matters relating to the use of the whip which were not addressed or where no recommendation was made in the BHA report. (iv) to make whatever recommendations are necessary for consideration by the Stewards of the Governing Bodies. The Sub-Committee will be chaired by Leslie Crawford (former trainer and current member of the Irish National Hunt Steeplechase (I.N.H.S.) Committee. Its other members will be Tom Rudd (former National Hunt Jockey and current member of the I.N.H.S. Committee), Colin Magnier (former leading amateur rider and current member of the Turf Club and I.N.H.S. Committee), Laurence McFerran (member of the I.N.H.S. Committee and Breeder) and Peter Matthews (Senior Stipendary Steward). Commenting on the setting up of the Sub-Committee, Turf Club Senior Steward John McStay said “the Sub-Committee will commence its review as soon as possible and will also monitor the introduction of the new rules in the UK. We look forward to receiving their report. |
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"to know the true thoughts of any number of prominent jockeys who have come out and openly welcomed the new proposals."
As mentioned previously - if you really think the original quote attributed to Dettori came out of his mouth. well I have a bridge that you may be interested in. |
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Good man Ruby, 100% correct in everything he said, the rules are inadequete, especially over the sticks, I can see them being redrafted in the not too distant future, they are impractical.
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so what are the rules in a bumper where there is no final fence/hurdle,and also what happens if they were to block off a final fence/hurdle as they have often done in the past due to low sun etc??i dont think the BHA have thought this one through properly,
The Champion Bumper should be fun! |
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Wot about Cartmel, its a trifle longer from the last there than Fakenham
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Wot about Cartmel, its a trifle longer from the last there than Fakenham
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Ruby Walsh is an honest horseman IMO.One of the few...
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Walsh talks sense, its going to be an interesting jump season ahead but i guess the top jocks will enjoy their holidays after the big festivals.
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Exactly Zilzal,and its not beyond the reals of possibility that a track could doll off its final two fences/hurdles,that should be fun were it to happen
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and doesnt stratford have a ridiculously short run in after its final obstacle??so jockeys can whip away to their hearts content at stratford and not worry about a ban
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It's questions snaff...we shall see...
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cartmel...hexham...carlisle....as opposed to fakenham newton abbot...stratford....makes no difference...last fence is last fence
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of course it makes a difference,deary me,you have got to be fishing,
oh and how are they going to police air shots?are the stewards going to scrutinise every shot administered to make sure no jockey gets an extra few cracks in the bag on the run in |
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There is going to be plenty of new work available for Stewards
A-Count the number of times the whip is used B-Look out for the air shots when the horse is a non trier c-Look out for the sneaky extra one that could have hit when the horse is a trier then start all over again from the furlong pole/last fence |
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A load of PC bollocks IMO.
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btw am i right in thinking if you dont hit your horse any smacks before the final fence you then have 8 shots in hand instead of 5? or do you lose those extra 3 shots?
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Think you lose them
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hmmm strange one that
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And you cant carry any forward if you dont use the whip during one race
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My point being every horse needs correction.Is that too difficult for you...
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was just thinking that zilzal,everyone keeping their load for cheltenham if that were the case |
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Snaff
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snaff....i meant it makes no difference from the stewards point of view.....there will be no allowances made for course characteristics.
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sorry duffy didnt realise,ye you're right there,they'll just be doing their job wether its a 50 yard run in from the last or 500 yard run in!
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So if you've used the quota and the oss decides to veer across the course hindering half the field whilst heading for the family enclosure whilst they are holding a "Bonny Baby" competition you've got to close your eyes and kiss yer ass goodbye???
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Keep the horse straight by correction...
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just jump of it and hope for the best,and what about the mule's who like to plant themselves at the start,but some do jump off after getting 5 or 6 persuaders,great for i/r players |
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chaninbar will be having a right laugh at this lot.
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That is why we like them,ON THE SNAFF...
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zilzal - How on earth will the Stewards, and the BHA, handle? ...
The Ile De Cypre episode - and WORFORCE, hanging right across the course, in this year's King George and Queen Elizabeth Stakes, at Ascot. |
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It won't make a blind bit of difference to paul carberry.
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agreed vinnie
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So when jocks are quoted saying stuff people disagree with it's all a media stunt but when Ruby agrees with them it's from the heart ?!!
Just ban it apart from correction imo. |
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Perception is clearly king with the BHA
WELL, the British Horseracing Authority revealed its hand this week, issuing the new rules regarding the use of the whip. They are, of course, largely a sop to the RSPCA and to many of those watching on television, who have little or no idea about the game. Perception, apparently, is king. Most of the industry has come out in favour of the new rules and, if they work, then racing will all the better. But for them to work jockeys are going to have to be able to count through a contest, as if they hadn't enough to worry about already. They will only be able to hit a horse seven times on the flat and eight over jumps. And they can only administer a tickle five times after the last obstacle, or inside the final furlong. And then there's the real sting that riding fees and, far more importantly, percentage of prize-money will be forfeited in more serious cases. Jockey, Graham Lee, described the new rules as "black and white now and that is a good thing.'' There's no doubt the rules are black and white, the problem is that racing is not. Contrast two horses, for instance, Harchibald and Brave Inca. Harchibald was a bridle horse and more likely to go slower, rather than faster, for a couple of belts of the whip. Brave Inca was a masochist, who would never have won a Champion Hurdle for Tony McCoy, under the new rules. There were very few dissenting voices within the industry, which was somewhat surprising, although trainer, Alan Bailey, was a notable exception. He made a lot of sense, saying: "It's ridiculous. Fancy, if a jockey uses his whip six times, instead of five, in the last furlong of the Derby and he wins then loses his winning percentage. There will be a strike, won't there?'' Richard Hughes, while a big backer of the new rules, said: "The whip does not cause them (horses) pain. If need be I'll bare my backside in public and have the whip used on me to prove the point.'' Which begs the question, what the hell is this all about in the first place? Anyway, the next few months are going to prove mighty interesting, with counting the name of the game. Perhaps, it will all be seamless and the BHA will be shown to have got this exactly right. Yeah - and pigs will fly. Roll on Cheltenham when all those "rough'' Irish jockeys will be in town Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/beresford-punters-guilty-of-not-seeing-the-wood-for-the-trees-169296.html#ixzz1ZWo74rFK |
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People are betting less and less on racing and more and more on other sports. Non-trying will now become rampant and most of the big bettors will bet less. Prize money in UK must be lowest anywhere and this is the kiss of death. Can see owners turning more and more to Ireland and Frace.
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Ye can always use your quota earlier than you need to over 3m
"I couldnt apply the maximum pressure guv" |
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Richard Hughes, while a big backer of the new rules, said: "The whip does not cause them (horses) pain. If need be I'll bare my backside in public and have the whip used on me to prove the point.'' Which begs the question, what the hell is this all about in the first place?
I'd love to administer those few cracks to Richard Hughes to prove a point, considering that a small percentage of horses show wheel marks even with this new so called harmless whip, lord knows what damage it would do to a human bare backside?, I certainly wouldn't like to drop my trousers to find out. Am I in favour new rules? no, I think they should have left the rules as it is and cracked down severely on jockeys who beat the living hell out of horses or use the whip above shoulder or down the neck in the forehand, the new rules are been implicated so they're here to stay, both Jockeys and punters will have to get use to it, can't see it having much of an effect on punters anyway!. |
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they would want to be off their heads to implement these new whip rules in ireland,(remember,you're still allowed to remount in ireland,unlike in the UK)if they stay as they are over here in ireland then it will be of massive benefit for irish racing because all the uk trainers will want to run their horses under the original rules,this would be excellent as it would put British Racing in the gutter with very few horses compeating and no one watching,i think the BHA may regret this in time,big time!
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implemented yeh thats the word where did i get implicated from?
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