ANYONE NAILING THEIR ARC COLOURS TO THE MAST YET?

i think sarafina is gonna rout them[smiley:crazy]

Very interesting Meandre being supplemented,shortlisted it on someones thread a few weeks ago and wrote it off after the trials.
Still cant have it but AF is not daft for sure,forgotten more than most about this race and what is needed to win it.

Get laying dunlaying,no shame in a profit.[;)]

Ilwab,mince[;)]

mince and sour mash what a double today [smiley:crazy]
SYT wouldnt win if he started now,but to be honest i'll be amazed if he turns up,ballydoyle up to their old tricks with this one,wont turn up,Workforce is by far the best value,defending champ,easy to forgive his last 2 runs and the current fav is a horse he beat quite comfortably last season,also like the look of meandre [;)]

No forgiveness needed OTS,both times he proved he is as good as ever.No STS but wouldnt be too far behind.

What about SNA? Do you think he will run?

i think he will gt,probably as a pacemaker knowing ballydoyle
i think if ridden properly he could run into a place,there's talent there,his run lto suggested to me he's a big of a hound,ah well not to worry,there's always cheltenham

*bit of a hound

That is the rub OTS (and if Charnier and Fraudy are reading,not your kind hth[;)])

If he ran as a true contender i could see him getting a place,nightmare trying to second guess that lot.

lol OTS you were still at Woodbine.[;)]

exactly gt,whats your thoughts on SYT,do you give him much hope if he were to turn up?as you may have already read,im not entirely convinced with him,he's no STS thats for sure

glentoby
that might have been another SYT thread.

Definitely have to give him a chance,the Arc can be a dirty or lucky race for lots of reasons.Cant have him in front of WF in a clean one though.[;)]

Sorry penzance forgot to ask m8,what might have been in an earlier post?

Meandre,Arc shortlist.

Think its going to be a case of who plays their hand last will win. Im waiting on the ground as i think this race will be right up Snow Fairy's street if its good or better, plenty of cover and although shes not the best in the field the race may play into her hands, oh and she could be 40-1 plus om the PMU

last years second horse, only beaten by a sensationally game effort from jockey and horse, is too big a price.

agree,got a weight pull with the filly.
Ran well imo after a long lay off in the trial.
Was also a bit unlucky in last years race.
  GL

No forgiveness needed OTS,both times he proved he is as good as ever

Can't have that .You think Workforce ran as well in the Eclipse & KG as he did last year in The Derby & Arc

Got you penzance,cheers.Remembered a few of us putting a few up pre-the trials.Cant write off Meandre but have to stick with convictions so far,AF obviously thinks differently and we should take notice.

Last year i backed WF before the Derby,immediately after and kept having a bit.When Harbinger hacked up i laid some off,then backed him and laid him.This went on for ages and was getting nowhere,in the end i compromised and let it ride.

The molerat told me 3 or 4 days before he was fine,after the race he said euraqhunt for not keeping in touch,laid off too much.

Can't have that .You think Workforce ran as well in the Eclipse & KG as he did last year in The Derby & Arc

The Eclipse is over 10 furlongs,so you're not comparing like with like there,and the KG was a mess of a race,Strange pace,horses been knocked about,two very reasonable excuses imo

TBF OTS Tobermory might not have read all the thread.First is obvious,too short,2nd was a mess and he was more badly hurt than most realised.[;)]

How good a race was it last year?? it certainly wasn't cleanly run

this may not be the best Arc but is developing into a cracker,
if the all show.

All the better for WF zilzal,won a dirty one.A few thought STS wasnt going to get out,both horses way above the average.[;)]

Agree Penzance, hope its good ground and a full field with a end to end gallop

may be wrong here,but thought Iread somewhere that they
have raised the amount of runners(25).Is that right?

Has the molerat got any for tomorrow gt?

zilzal you think the race will be any different this year?
any horses beaten "unluckily" last year that have proven the form wrong?
Personally can't see anything but a french win (I am a fan of both Reliable Man and Meandre), but no value at all in the British/Irish runners and Nakayama is a big price in my view.

Yep he did get the run though Glen. For a horse thats won both a Derby and an Arc it still isn't easy to judge him re ability, his best performance came on top of the ground at Epsom  but he's flopped at Ascot and he's a narrow arc winner in a troubled race which we've still to judge the quality

if 27 go with a couple of pacemakers on good or faster ground they could go some lick

And the winner wont be in the 1st ten who are 1st into the straight

With the GREATEST of respectr...

picking THREE and "Nailing colours to the mast" don't REALLY belong in the same sentence...[:p][:p]

PICK ONE and take your chances!!

I have been pretty vocal about RELIABLE MAN even before his French Derby win and I see nothing to change my mind now... well balanced colt with telling turn of foot and only loss was when the effing jock rode a shocker (as he does, now and then!)...

I had a little ew at 23s here 6 weeks ago and will wade in again on the day...

RELIABLE MAN for me...

Well,if your going to ba like that, I concurr RELIABLE MAN

No one seems to keen on nathaniel , beaten a half length by frankel
                                    beaten a head by derby runner up treasure beach (on firm )
                                    beat workforce in a better time than workforces arc

  On favoured soft stands a very good chance , and could improve again

I am ,put him up at the start,GLEN said no.

If its soft or g/s then its a no bet race for me as imo there would be many contenders, here's hoping for a Indian summer in Paris

I think Nathaniel's a VERY good horse and will be even better next year... HOWEVER, he looks to lack a telling turn of foot or enough gears, imho, and you need one or both for the Arc

I think he may turn out to be a multiple KG winner who wins a breeders cup marathon - just mho

Read the top Frankel,WF is the main bet the other two are savers and has been so for months.

Show me an ante post punter with one bet and profit and i will show you a happy bookie.

BTW gave you another winner a little while ago which would have given you a free bet,AGAIN.[;)]

if he gets a good draw,being up with the pace could
be a big advatage to this horse.Did'nt get the credit he
deserved for his KG win,imo.

Nathanial will NOT beat WF,wont be in first 3 if all main contenders run.NAP[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][;)]

sarafina..robbed last year..payback time!

SAGACE robbed,there is no payback.nap[>o][>o][;)]

she needs luck in running,especially if it's going
to be a big field.Jock got her in trouble lto with
only 4 rnrs.Class filly but bit short in the market.
Should go close if getting the breaks.
Also was not the only unlucky horse last year.

Update on WF.


THRIVING,better than Dream Ahead was going into his last test,a few lbs to tighten him up but going to Longchamp better than ever.[;)]

Cheers for the info rsc.

Its wide open this year. Av had a bit of anti-post on Workforce and Sarafina at good prices a while ago. Personally if u have not played yet,then hold off till the day of the race when u will have the going and draw 2 help u. Best of luck.

Very happy to nail my colours to the mast of Nathaniel.

Can't understand why he's not shorter than he is - yes, the King George was messy but it was messy for him too. All you naysayers suggesting he got the run of the race and doesn't have a turn of foot are barking up the wrong tree - he didn't want to make the running at Ascot but was versatile enough to do it, and then he was the only one that quickened off it to dispel the myth that he is a grinder. Yes Workforce was not 100% but the excuses are stacking up now and Nathaniel was powering away from his field to win easily at the line.

He is the most progressive horse in the race - don't see how anyone can argue with that - and he acts with cut in the ground, stays wellm has been trained for the race, and hails from a Gosden yard that won the St Leger by bringing a horse long-targeted at that race to the boil absolutely perfectly for the big day.

As you can tell, for a change, I'm actually very confident on this one!

yes nathaniel is a decent horse but had wf run in a straight line he would have won the KG!!

gl tho.

So You Think for me, oh no why did i say that, now all the forum know alls are going to abuse me

No, So You Think has one thing going for him and that is his consistency.The more I see of him the more I like him,but I doubt he is as good as he is said to be.
Re Workforce and the KGV,if anyone has the relevant distances it would be a simple exercise in trigonometry to work out how much ground he lost.

i think syt will improve for the 12f, dont know why people are so negative against him!! he might not win or even place but so many threads completely dismissing his chance like hes some kind of plater, he beat wf over 10f which only a v high class horse could do and also snow fairy a dual oaks winner but sure u aleady know that!! puzzling why people say he has no chance, even if he doesnt go close, theyre guessing now because on all know form and breeding he has strong claims imo.

i just wished he ran a bit more, seems to thrive on racing!

Yes but not only that Dunlaying,Nathaniel will be 4lbs worse off come The Arc.

W/F/A Kenny.

Nathaniel received 12lbs when beating WF,but only receives 8lb in The Arc.

I think Nakayama Festa is a great e/w bet at the 33s. Had a small punt on that, but don't really fancy touching anything til the day, too many variables. I do like Nathaniel, but not at the current price. Meandre looks decent value too.

AND WF wouldve won if he ran straight!

If SYT turns up he will win this race. I've stated it on here for a while & backed it up with plenty at various odds. I've also backed it to win the BC Classic. This horse is unusual not yet comparable to Frankel or STS but I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He's done very little wrong in fact his defeat to Rewilding was poor tactics sent to the front far too early. He's beaten a few good yardsticks & can only beat what's put in front of him. As for the trip well we won't know till he tries it I've heard '10f specialist' & I've heard 'crying out for 12f' well only Ballydoyle will know. Even they might not be sure. This will be his first big test against the 'cream of the crop' & I believe he has the class to do it. My biggest worry is Meandre as the horse ticks all the boxes Fabre 3yo supplemented etc. Don't be fooled by the Prix Niel Guyon asked little of him & I suspect that was the plan in fact several french backers where annoyed to say the least. I'll be the first to hold up my hands if he runs poorly but if he wins it I hope his 'knockers' have the humility to say fair nuff.

My thoughts exactly ILWAB not committed to any horse as yet but i do think WF will finnish in front of Nathaniel.

[;)]

Have backed Meandre and laid off for a nice profit And with a strong run race would expect a good performance from the horse. AF knows whats what and think horse is good value at current odds.

Not many better MFA,only removed from my shorlist with reluctance.gl

backed Meandre in the trial,Knew I'd done
my money after about 3f.Trial it was!

Also got Blue Bunting for even bigger profit[;)]But don't think that will happen...again free bet. How long is your shortlist Molerat? Surely room for one more

Agree penzance didn't back Meandre in trial but race was steadily run which didn't suit and perfectly happy with that performance all things considered. With strong run race will be flying at the finish[;)]

Started with 5 pre the trials MFA but WF always been the main one,have to be rutheless sometimes and prune the tree.Think you have done the right thing but still expect a big run,AF knows what it takes.

Think WF Derby win was a storming performance but never been entirely convinced since Molerat

Very interesting that Peslier said at the start of the season that the French 3yo fillies were better than anything in France, backed up by group one wins in all age/sex races for Moonlight Cloud and Immortal Verse. With this in mind I will be backing Galikova but my main bet will be on Nathaniel. Beat workforce before and will again because the 3yos are much better than the seniors. I wouldn't write off the Japanese horses either but I'm sticking to what has already been proved this year, can't see a reason why this years big race trends would change?
Be Lucky[:)]

The barometer for the chance of a Japanese win can be judged on their interest in this years race,zilch in comparison with Deep Impact.May win one in the future but not this year imo.

Re-Nathanial,getting less weight from a fully fit WF in a reasonably clean race= Little chance of finishing in front of him.

Workforce beat a Japanese horse into second by the skin of its teeth with the rest of the field playing bumper cars, so with your opinion of Japanese horse why are you backing Workforce, he won an average Arc? He has won an egg/spoon race at Sandown thats it this year, the stable have had a bad year and why won't Nathaniel improve further hes very lightly raced scopey horse? Workforce a massive place lay for me and that should pay for a fish supper for the family.[:)]

The money banked over the past 3 Arcs are enough to fund a losing few years layboy.If the Japanese horse won it would be good for racing and no complaints from this quarter.

As for WF this year you seem to to the sort who reads the form book and discards other crucial factors.The Arc and Derby are average every year according to many,usually those that lose money in them.nap[;)]

Oh another I win all the time poster, sorry I'm not worthy, and I do believe you. Your the best I don't know what I was thinking. Workforce right I'm on because this bloke says he wins all the time, thats unusual on here. Incidentally if you win all the time and have so much money why are you on this forum everyday 24/7, seems a waste of time being so successful?

24/7 layboy?

Btw I take it you havent read the pre-race threads over the years,usually starting 3 months in advance.And pray where have I said I win all the time?

I think molerat has proved to be more reliable than most.nap[;)]

BTW Your post also proves you know little of anything or anyone on the Forum.[;)]

I do like the French three year old fillies being the best generation 'angle' Layboy. So will be backing Galikova on the day.

Christophe Soumillon ban upheld,no racing for him over Arc weekend.

i would be more interested in Golden Lilac  who did not run her race lto for one reason or another!!! i think shes the best 3yr filly in franc and would have a serious chance if she lined up!!

beat galikova easily over 11f at chantilly.

nice horsie!

Fair enough ILWAB but won prix de diane over 10.5 f and Galikova running on very strongly at finish imo better of the two over 12f. No sign that GL is heading for the Arc. You can have 500/1+ on here GL

hehe point taken!!

alas i dont play aunty post ..even at those prices

Molerat has some news regarding Workforce which the media do not seem to be interested in for some reason.

The horse had a racecourse gallop yesterday morning at Sandown under his big race rider Ryan Moore.The gallop was a great indicator of WFs wellbeing if anyone was in doubt regarding the molerats updates.

He is bang on track for Longchamp,the Racing Post may find the time to let you know sometime today.[;)]

think i will back 2-3 in the race, looks significant that a .fabre has supplemented meandre for the race must have been more than happy with the last run and is a big price so will start backing him now .also workforce is still a fair price ,  derby in record time and also won an arc so has to be high on the list.

I wish you hadnt said that FW,pruned from my shortlist so that I wouldnt be spreading bets too thin.Trouble is I agree with everyone who has expressed the same as you.Might have to bite the bullet and have a bit on.[;)]

Apologies to Racing Post,they did report on it.[smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

well hes a decent price so you wont have to have to put too much on ........to be honest i was not that impressed by his last run ,but it was only a trial and connections must have happy with the run  to justify supplementing , i may be wide of the mark but it must cost a good few quid to supplement and they must be confident of at least a place imo.

I think you are on the right track FW,he wouldnt have supplemented if that run was a disappointment.Not many,if any better trainers or judges.

Any real racing fans apart from Greig left on the forum outside of ryan et al?

only two in my portfolio so far

nathaniel and danedream

if it comes u soft cant see the winner being any other than one of these

WF likes soft so do Reliable Man and several others.

So far so good,going is looking good at Longchamp,no excuses.[;)]

This is to all those who shout a load of shyte.LONGCHAMP is not a heavy/soft going track.

The ground has not been "boggy" since Sakhee.
HTH you groundhogs.[;)]

Come on you guys,days to go.

Will be in the hotel Thursday and walking the course early Friday before lunch.

WF was well and gleaming in his coat this morning.[;)]

Galikova all the way, the more front runners the better, its now racing at the distance the horse was screaming out for 1m 4f, won her last race easy going away and you can excuse her 3 runs back when she was in season and still finished off her race well...

then with the winnings lump on her sister Goldikova to win at the breeders cup, yet again[;)]

[;)]

Looks like Nathaniel will be a non-runner as it is set fair in France for the next few days at least.
For what it is worth I do not believe that he has to have soft ground.

With 25 or so runners, the draw is going to make it nigh impossible for half the field to win !!

When is the draw made ?

Looking at the drift dunlaying it does look ominous,shame for his backers if he doesnt go.The track will be well watered if it looked like being any firmer than good so I dont see why he shouldnt run on ground considerations.Certainly doesnt appear to need soft.

So You Think has the necessary class and star appeal required to win a race of this stature imo.

Been crying out for 12furlongs whole season. I think he'll perform better over the trip.

It looks like he will run his race to the lb Gooner so he should be right in the mix.
But is there a chance Treasure Beach could join him?If the ground is fast it would suit Treasure Beach to a T!
I just hope that Mr Gosden does not keep everyone waiting for his decision as to whether Nathaniel runs or not.

Megsy & co,read,look listen and learn.

No 1,MOUNTAINEER PARK is as good as it gets for buying money,on the bridle.nap

DOUBLE UP,AMALFI are on

Dutch with 9..........collect GL.No probs,collect