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Anybody read his book, Enemy Number One? And is it any good? Thanks.
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The gangster stuff is tedious and badly written. Get the woman on the till at WHSmith's to rip those pages out before you pay for the book.
Veitch does tell you how he selects horses (or did in those days).
Some of it is inside information, and some from acting as a glorified commission agent, which I suppose also counts as inside info.
But most of the rest is not too dissimilar from Hugh Taylor's MO (if we can use telly pundits as a point of comparison) or many others', including mine. The ten million pounds difference is that Veitch makes sure circumstances are exactly right before wading in.
Veitch does tell you how he selects horses (or did in those days).
Some of it is inside information, and some from acting as a glorified commission agent, which I suppose also counts as inside info.
But most of the rest is not too dissimilar from Hugh Taylor's MO (if we can use telly pundits as a point of comparison) or many others', including mine. The ten million pounds difference is that Veitch makes sure circumstances are exactly right before wading in.
he has a betting diary where he's making £100k a week at times 
GAZO......
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
Personally i felt as if i reading something by Alan Partridge....'of course I had the last laugh'. A tirade of boastful stories about how HE instructed the trainer to do this and without HIM the jockey would have run the race differently. This may all be true........but what sort of person NEEDS everyone to know?
Someone asked why he wrote it as he doesn't need the money. Well i think he comes across as something of a sociopath to be honest. He seems to want you to know who he is and all the wonderful things he's achieved.....but don't get too close.
When i first heard of him and his exploits i was incredibly impressed.........after reading the book he's not someone i would ever care to know.
Someone asked why he wrote it as he doesn't need the money. Well i think he comes across as something of a sociopath to be honest. He seems to want you to know who he is and all the wonderful things he's achieved.....but don't get too close.
When i first heard of him and his exploits i was incredibly impressed.........after reading the book he's not someone i would ever care to know.
To answer some of the questions asked then no, I don't think he was that Computer Kid from the 80s who had his tips listed in The Sun.
He said he had paid "agents" who would put the bets on for him and that's how he got on.
My main beef with him is that he would make general points as to which criteria he used to find his selections that weren't anything specific and could apply across the board to a number of different runners in a race and it's fine if you are using other punters money collected from a tipping line as your stake money, as then you can afford to lose a few races just so long as once you hit a winner that it covered you for those losses and some profit too but the average punter can't do that.
Like I said earlier, I wasn't expecting to learn much or to see a set of rules that narrowed it down to one winning selection and also if some of his wins were due to inside into and/or planned coups with horse he owned or were from his trainers' yards then that's not really much help to the average punter either.
He said he had paid "agents" who would put the bets on for him and that's how he got on.
My main beef with him is that he would make general points as to which criteria he used to find his selections that weren't anything specific and could apply across the board to a number of different runners in a race and it's fine if you are using other punters money collected from a tipping line as your stake money, as then you can afford to lose a few races just so long as once you hit a winner that it covered you for those losses and some profit too but the average punter can't do that.
Like I said earlier, I wasn't expecting to learn much or to see a set of rules that narrowed it down to one winning selection and also if some of his wins were due to inside into and/or planned coups with horse he owned or were from his trainers' yards then that's not really much help to the average punter either.
I wonder if Kingpaulio is similarly scathing about the litany of trainers and jockeys who's books detail the crucial differences they made to win races. The truth is that gamblers are an envious breed, and someone writing about being consistently successful is always going to irritate some people.
Alex Bird's book was exactly the same - detailing how he measured the distance with a rope, did the crucial timings with his stopwatch etc etc
So why did Veitch write a book? It does make me smile that a couple of gambling fanatics below should criticise him for having the liberty to include the victim of crime story...that he makes clear in the first few pages is the reason for him writing the book and the subsequent spark for his motivation to succeed. Not for the first time forum members show themselves to be low on empathy whenever a non betting subject get in the way!
Alex Bird's book was exactly the same - detailing how he measured the distance with a rope, did the crucial timings with his stopwatch etc etc
So why did Veitch write a book? It does make me smile that a couple of gambling fanatics below should criticise him for having the liberty to include the victim of crime story...that he makes clear in the first few pages is the reason for him writing the book and the subsequent spark for his motivation to succeed. Not for the first time forum members show themselves to be low on empathy whenever a non betting subject get in the way!
Guy is obviously very bright and good at what he does. However he has big info advantages over most pro punters and it was a revelation that he could give riding orders to jockeys ....if only.
As for the book it's dreadful end of story. Obviously written by a maths guy, it comes across like and 4 year talking who hasn't grasped the art of storytelling. Page after page pulled straight from a betting diary it will send even the most ardent gambling horses fan to sleep. Last couple of paragraphs are so so but they appear good in relation to the rest of the book.
You will glean nothing from this book whatsoever unless you are a complete novice. You'll never got those hours back if you read the book ...you have been warned.
As for the book it's dreadful end of story. Obviously written by a maths guy, it comes across like and 4 year talking who hasn't grasped the art of storytelling. Page after page pulled straight from a betting diary it will send even the most ardent gambling horses fan to sleep. Last couple of paragraphs are so so but they appear good in relation to the rest of the book.
You will glean nothing from this book whatsoever unless you are a complete novice. You'll never got those hours back if you read the book ...you have been warned.
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
what do you rate him at
1)very well connected ,so people tell him when horses are going to win
2)pays the biggest bribes for info ,so people tell him when horses going to win.
what his he good at,from reading this thread - he basically backed a load of 2 year olds cos he was tipped off they would win,not really alot of work invovled .
also i really feel for boy wonder,couldn t face doing it all again,because you ve got to keep opening new betting accounts to get your money on and its really stressful,
heres the best line
hes a great form expert
he had inside info for notable stables
what a load of tosh - the big stables are just ozzooing ,waiting to tell someone about their best 2 year olds,he wouldnt of needed this info anyway as he was such an expert.
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
what do you rate him at
1)very well connected ,so people tell him when horses are going to win
2)pays the biggest bribes for info ,so people tell him when horses going to win.
what his he good at,from reading this thread - he basically backed a load of 2 year olds cos he was tipped off they would win,not really alot of work invovled .
also i really feel for boy wonder,couldn t face doing it all again,because you ve got to keep opening new betting accounts to get your money on and its really stressful,
heres the best line
hes a great form expert
he had inside info for notable stables
what a load of tosh - the big stables are just ozzooing ,waiting to tell someone about their best 2 year olds,he wouldnt of needed this info anyway as he was such an expert.
having commented that punters were an envious breed, minutes later a forumite derides Veitch for (supposedly) making his money from information on 2yos. And yet the book spells out in detail that in his most profitable periods (the decade after Boy Wonder's involvement)... the winners came mostly from older horses in competitive handicaps, such as the Wokingham/Ayr Gold Cup etc!
Another forumite derides the book as only for novices. He is clearly an expert himself, yet it was apparently news to him when in the bit about owning horses, Veitch was able to give tactical advice to the jockeys. An expert owner being allowed to put forward his view, whatever next?!
Another forumite derides the book as only for novices. He is clearly an expert himself, yet it was apparently news to him when in the bit about owning horses, Veitch was able to give tactical advice to the jockeys. An expert owner being allowed to put forward his view, whatever next?!
don't know the guy personally adn he came across in the book as alo'f, but obviously knows the formbook well and can may his betting pay...hats off to him
won;t be many who have made as much out of horse racing betting as he has
won;t be many who have made as much out of horse racing betting as he has
allerton - I don't deride Veitch - as I said he is very smart and if you get info why wouldn't you but its not a privilege many have and explains much of his 16.7% profit to stake.
The book is very poorly written and its content is a diary - today I won this then....then....then....then. It's very tedious to read. As an experienced punter with profits to stake not much lower than his albeit to much lesser volume it told me nothing, zero, zip, nil, nada hence my comment it was aimed at novices. As for giving riding instructions to jockeys just poll the people who owned here and see how many were able to give detailed instructions to jockeys. I wasn't for one ...be interested of others were able to do so as it seemed out of the question to me.
The book is very poorly written and its content is a diary - today I won this then....then....then....then. It's very tedious to read. As an experienced punter with profits to stake not much lower than his albeit to much lesser volume it told me nothing, zero, zip, nil, nada hence my comment it was aimed at novices. As for giving riding instructions to jockeys just poll the people who owned here and see how many were able to give detailed instructions to jockeys. I wasn't for one ...be interested of others were able to do so as it seemed out of the question to me.
allerton - i ve stated from reading this thread,te thread may be inaccurate.
racingguru...fair points...however, if i told you the majority of owners entrust their trainers to place their horses, book the jock, give instructions and yet the very very few intelligent owners do actually solely pay their horses to train their horse but go out of their way to find the right race, book the right jock AND GIVE THEIR INSTRUCTIONS to the jockey...what would you say....i'd deffo be in the latter camp if i owned a racehorse...my trainer would work for me and while i would certainly listen to all his advice about the horse the placing of my horse would be my domain (if i could be arsed)
Certainly would be doing my own entries for my horses thats for sure and giving instructions to how to be ridden.[;)]
I'm not asking if you did own a horse, I'm asking those who in reality HAD owned a horse were they able to give instructions?
YES they can and do racingguru i know a few owners who do...most leave it to the trainer to articulate..most are quite straightforward anyway.....the placing of horses is down to the trainer but if yown the racehorse and know the formbook inside out wouldn;t you be best placed to at least have a significant input into your horses placing?? i think many owners (syndicates etc) don;t have any say
Of course i'll tell you two horses that weren't entered up by the trainer sea deer and wardara when they won all those races in a year,not necessarly riding instructions just entries.But i've been betting with one of the biggest pros in the country when he was telling certain jocks how to ride wolves.
That would explain it -(syndicate) of 10. Made to feel as the trainer was doing us favour training the horse let alone letting us give advice, instructions or any indication of how the horse might run.
It will improve for the run, e/w chance....sort of **** hence the short tenure as an owner.
It will improve for the run, e/w chance....sort of **** hence the short tenure as an owner.
correct racingguru...depends on the relationship you have with the trainer/jocks and the judgement of the trainer...for example,i would probably have little say if my horse was with stoute or cecil as opposed to a trainer like alan berry for example ....much depends on how you communicate yourself with the trainer...i was once told if i had that "attitude" noone would train my horse...well, as the bill payer i'd just pick another trainer....after all if its my horse (not the trainers) i want the say in how its trained don;t i? think koo does have big say in the placing of his horses
I can imagine there are many trainers out there that if an owner gave a jockey orders he didn't agree with, once that owner was out of earshot then they would more than likely tell him/her to ignore what they've just been told and here are the new instructions. Too many trainers have the attitude that they are their horses and the owners only pay the bills. 
aye too right, i guess it comes down to how good the trainer is and how much the owner knows...the 2 should complement each other, both have a big say, the owner should respect the trainer and vice versa...in reality owners don't get much say apart from maybe picking "where" to race next, if the horse runs a stinker i bet most of teh time the trainer fobs off the owners with some feeble excuse....it can;t be easy been a trainer but equally the trainers are simply paid to train the horse to the best of its ability...how many trainers actually do that!
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also an owner with 10-20 horses with a trainer will certainly carry more clout or have more influence over the placing of his horses than say a small syndicate owner of one horse in a big yard....shouldn;t really happen but does...
Not when the trainers know the owners are the best around and i'm not referring to veitch either,trainers in general are clueless especially anything related to form.I was in contact with three at one point,would get phone calls this is going to win today blah blah!you'd tell them it was going to be unsighted on all known form but would still take no notice.Plus throw in the jock riding the race wrong,info is virtually negligible!!
Think we are digressing from the OP - those you that have read the book marks out of 10.
2/10 for me - one of the worst books I've ever read. I mean how can you go through a book supposedly detailing how you made 10 mill without any indication on anything key to form analysis, staking strategy. Draw, draw, draw and Info from sources is all he ever mentioned. Now I don't expect him to give away the crown jewels but at least if you're not gonna give anything away at least have the book written in a way that's easy to read. Guess I expected a lot more.
2/10 for me - one of the worst books I've ever read. I mean how can you go through a book supposedly detailing how you made 10 mill without any indication on anything key to form analysis, staking strategy. Draw, draw, draw and Info from sources is all he ever mentioned. Now I don't expect him to give away the crown jewels but at least if you're not gonna give anything away at least have the book written in a way that's easy to read. Guess I expected a lot more.
All the tools are there if you can race read,read form and spot non triers reading books by prima donnas won't be any help,seven years its taken me and i could retire tomorrow.If you hate losing so much you're willing to put in at least 12 hour days everyday you've got a chance,there are no great secrets.There are some great judges out there,but they're simply to lazy to put the graft in and thats why they don't win consistently to make a living.
On the question of why Veitch wrote the book, the answer does seem to be ego, and to establish he is the top pro-punter: bigger than Nevison and better than Harry.
On instructing jockeys, iirc Veitch mentions Kevin Darley (?) looking to the trainer for confirmation, and going through the trainer.
On instructing jockeys, iirc Veitch mentions Kevin Darley (?) looking to the trainer for confirmation, and going through the trainer.
Guru,gig and ram all have valid views.Dave wrote his book through necessity to balance finances.As far as the person is concerned,you would be hard pushed to find a more affable and accomodating man.
HF is the anti Christ in terms of how they approached betting,does not make HF any less a person.
Pisses me off when I read all the critics on here whenever Dave or HF are mentioned.Whatever they might be doing now,even if they were on the bare bones of their arse they would buy you a beer
The snidey little critics can sneer all day long but at least Dave and HF have done what they all aspire to.Add Terry Ramsden to the list and you have another thoroughly decent bloke.
In short i would say do not judge any of them by the media perceptions portrayed.
They are decent and hardworking individuals who would and could put most to shame.Sad that so many revel in the perception that the mighty have fallen through gambling or otherwise.The fact is that all 3 are better off in all respects than their critics.
As for Patrick Veitch,fall at his feet and worship him.Like Pricewise in the RP he is good publicity,no more astute than you or me.
Any better or worse than Barney Curley?
When a stable lands a gamble they are perceived as heroes,why? It is your money they are taking.For every horse that lands a punt the other horses are carrying ordinary every day punters money.
I have no problem with that as long as the majority are aware that such things do happen.However OTM and his band of 3 screaming about a strike to hit the bookies is as sensible and useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
HTH[;)]
HF is the anti Christ in terms of how they approached betting,does not make HF any less a person.
Pisses me off when I read all the critics on here whenever Dave or HF are mentioned.Whatever they might be doing now,even if they were on the bare bones of their arse they would buy you a beer
The snidey little critics can sneer all day long but at least Dave and HF have done what they all aspire to.Add Terry Ramsden to the list and you have another thoroughly decent bloke.
In short i would say do not judge any of them by the media perceptions portrayed.
They are decent and hardworking individuals who would and could put most to shame.Sad that so many revel in the perception that the mighty have fallen through gambling or otherwise.The fact is that all 3 are better off in all respects than their critics.
As for Patrick Veitch,fall at his feet and worship him.Like Pricewise in the RP he is good publicity,no more astute than you or me.
Any better or worse than Barney Curley?
When a stable lands a gamble they are perceived as heroes,why? It is your money they are taking.For every horse that lands a punt the other horses are carrying ordinary every day punters money.
I have no problem with that as long as the majority are aware that such things do happen.However OTM and his band of 3 screaming about a strike to hit the bookies is as sensible and useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
HTH
[;)]
So how do you get involved these days with the gambles and help get the cash on ?
I'm reading it at the mo and it is rather enjoyable, finish it of with a glass after lunch today, much much better than the last I read which I should mention was Oakleys effort on Barrington.
Few readers can finish a biography about a Pro gambler without being struck by the emptiness of the genre. Not that the same thought necessarily occurs to the author.
has anybody ever read a book that is aimed at what i call the normal punter because i cant relate to the £500-1000 bets how many people can? iam pretty sure most punters who have a normal job would be very happy to make £100 odd quid a week
With all due respect,POstie,what good would a £100 per week be to anybody ?
Reviews
"An insight into a fascinating life"
The Independent
"Vietch is Britain's most successful gambler, the man bookmakers regard as about as attractive a vistor to their pitch as swine flu"
The Daily Telegraph
"Compelling reading"
Mail on Sunday
I'll give it bash anyway.
"An insight into a fascinating life"
The Independent
"Vietch is Britain's most successful gambler, the man bookmakers regard as about as attractive a vistor to their pitch as swine flu"
The Daily Telegraph
"Compelling reading"
Mail on Sunday
I'll give it bash anyway.
What are the taxation issues between Veitch and the 'helpers' he employs?
Syndicate members?
Syndicate members?
Lazer, don't know if you've read all the thread, but this man may provide the answer.........
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
Or maybe not!!!
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worked for him 92 until 97 had some great touches would rate sleepytime as one of the best bet it as an unraced 2 yr old at 40's great form expert but had inside info as we had major bets for notable stables i rate him as the very best
Or maybe not!!!
imhotep for a lot of people making a bit of money on top of there wages is what there looking for yes i"d love to be a pro punter wher all my income came from punting but if iam honest with myself i dont think iam good enough to do that
99p but 3.00 p&p on ebay with 2 days plus to go ..............
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enemy-Number-One-Patrick-Veitch-/250883718266?pt=Non_Fiction&ha****m3a69d5bc7a
Havn't bought or read it as 99% of the time there is little or nothing to learn from these types of books , often it's a case of someone bigging their ego up , loves talking about themselves or just simply want it on their CV that the've writen or had a book writen about them so they can tell their mates .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enemy-Number-One-Patrick-Veitch-/250883718266?pt=Non_Fiction&ha****m3a69d5bc7a
Havn't bought or read it as 99% of the time there is little or nothing to learn from these types of books , often it's a case of someone bigging their ego up , loves talking about themselves or just simply want it on their CV that the've writen or had a book writen about them so they can tell their mates .
As a point of information,Sleepytime made her debut at Sandown on 18/09/1996,and won at 30/100 Fav.
To suggest that you got 40/1 is an insult of Biblical proportions to anybody with an IQ higher than a chimp !
To suggest that you got 40/1 is an insult of Biblical proportions to anybody with an IQ higher than a chimp !
i think the 40/1 was for the 1000 Guineas before she ran
Crowing about getting 40/1 about an unraced filly for the next year's 1,000 Gns is pitiful,Duncan.
They should be that price to run in it !
They should be that price to run in it !
I would quite happily back the winner each year at 40/1 before it's run tbh!
To Allerton....yes I am equally scathing about ANYONE who feels the need to document and parade their success and wealth.
For instance the people who give money to hospitals under the promise that the new wing is named after them. This McManusesque quest to do good, but have others shout it from the rooftops for you whilst pretending you're a shy and unassuming type who would rather your good deeds remained quiet, is rather tiresome.
For instance the people who give money to hospitals under the promise that the new wing is named after them. This McManusesque quest to do good, but have others shout it from the rooftops for you whilst pretending you're a shy and unassuming type who would rather your good deeds remained quiet, is rather tiresome.
Was friendly with a bloke who had a couple of horses with JACK BERRY,
he told me that they attended a northern racecourse and he asked BERRY if his horse had a chance, he was told no not today, whereupon the horse romped home at 8/1.
he told me that they attended a northern racecourse and he asked BERRY if his horse had a chance, he was told no not today, whereupon the horse romped home at 8/1.
Well said Glentoby. I rarely post on here, just run through the topics from time to time in case something important comes up and it amuses me that day after day, hour after hour, it's the same old people criticising everything known to man - horses, jockeys (especially), trainers and now we have Mr Veitch.
Let's be honest, all the people slagging him off above would swap places with him and to think that they assume that if they open this book they are going to learn how to make £10 million from betting just from paying £15 or whatever the book costs just makes me chuckle.
I liked the book, i found it interesting. It's all about discipline, motivation and hard work so perhaps several on here should concentrate more on their form study than slagging successful punters off.
Also spot on about Dave Nevison and Harry Findlay. Met both and top blokes. Amusing also how these two get slagged off on here. I'm sure Harry is really upset with his millions in the bank about what some sad blokes on a betfair forum thinks
Let's be honest, all the people slagging him off above would swap places with him and to think that they assume that if they open this book they are going to learn how to make £10 million from betting just from paying £15 or whatever the book costs just makes me chuckle.
I liked the book, i found it interesting. It's all about discipline, motivation and hard work so perhaps several on here should concentrate more on their form study than slagging successful punters off.
Also spot on about Dave Nevison and Harry Findlay. Met both and top blokes. Amusing also how these two get slagged off on here. I'm sure Harry is really upset with his millions in the bank about what some sad blokes on a betfair forum thinks
I think you're missing the point Ballydoyle. Of course most people would love to be in his position but I think they're saying they might behave slightly different if they were i.e. not releasing a book that details how they are so much cleverer than the rest. There is nothing wrong with discussing your past but the style of the book is very 'and I did this, I am amazing etc etc.' Nothing rubs people the
wrong way more than a braggadacio.
As i said earlier his career has been fantastic and we would all love to live it, but he really does come across as a bit of a dic k. A very cold, sociopathic dic k in fact. If he hadn't written the book everyone here would still think really highly of him, so your jealousy/bitterness theory doesn't really ring true.
wrong way more than a braggadacio.
As i said earlier his career has been fantastic and we would all love to live it, but he really does come across as a bit of a dic k. A very cold, sociopathic dic k in fact. If he hadn't written the book everyone here would still think really highly of him, so your jealousy/bitterness theory doesn't really ring true.
Agree with the above , Ballydoyle obviously didn't read the whole thread , just likely read a few posts and made his assumptions from them , although he couldn't help himself in letting us all know he'd been brown nosing it with Dave Nevisson and 'arry .
I think a lot of punters are very envious of those who succeed. I think that it is even worse on here as people feel they can say things they wouldn't normally have to bottle to say face to face.
I can't understand why people are moaning about reading the book and getting nothing from it, these are the people who are obviously expecting to get all the hard work done for them. Life isn't that easy I am afraid! I think there is a lot to learn from the book, the main thing which I personally learnt is that discipline is vital and I find it very useful to give me motivation when my punting performance seems to plateau.
I think that it is very well constructed and I personally loved the diary type layout which the book has as I feel I am more of a maths minded person. I have read this book more than 10 times and still enjoy reading it and regard it as the best book related to gambling which I have purchased.
People comment on his ego, I think that when you are successful at something you have a right to have a bit of an ego, he comes accross to me as someone who is quiet but forceful when he needs to be and most of the other stuff is just banter.
I also own both of Dave Nevisons books and think they are very interesting too. I have heard rumours of a HF book in the pipeline which I would preorder straight away.
These people are successful, they may not always have been or always will be, but at some point they were. Lessons can be learned, if you read them enough times you can see points stick out to why these people became successful.
Ruthless determination, hard work, dedication and discipline. It makes me laugh the amount of people on here who expect to read these books and become a millionaire by betting tenners for 6 months. That doesn't happen.
I am also unsure of what to beleive sometimes, there is so much rubbish spouted in papers and on forums.
I can't understand why people are moaning about reading the book and getting nothing from it, these are the people who are obviously expecting to get all the hard work done for them. Life isn't that easy I am afraid! I think there is a lot to learn from the book, the main thing which I personally learnt is that discipline is vital and I find it very useful to give me motivation when my punting performance seems to plateau.
I think that it is very well constructed and I personally loved the diary type layout which the book has as I feel I am more of a maths minded person. I have read this book more than 10 times and still enjoy reading it and regard it as the best book related to gambling which I have purchased.
People comment on his ego, I think that when you are successful at something you have a right to have a bit of an ego, he comes accross to me as someone who is quiet but forceful when he needs to be and most of the other stuff is just banter.
I also own both of Dave Nevisons books and think they are very interesting too. I have heard rumours of a HF book in the pipeline which I would preorder straight away.
These people are successful, they may not always have been or always will be, but at some point they were. Lessons can be learned, if you read them enough times you can see points stick out to why these people became successful.
Ruthless determination, hard work, dedication and discipline. It makes me laugh the amount of people on here who expect to read these books and become a millionaire by betting tenners for 6 months. That doesn't happen.
I am also unsure of what to beleive sometimes, there is so much rubbish spouted in papers and on forums.
I have heard rumours of a HF book in the pipeline which I would preorder straight away.
Save your money , you'll learn nothing from HF , apparantly 1-33 is value according to HF , so 1-66 or 1-100 was not value then .
Save your money , you'll learn nothing from HF , apparantly 1-33 is value according to HF , so 1-66 or 1-100 was not value then .
think the talk of 10 million winnings is way over the top,allegedly won half a million on the williams coup, which most on here would want him banned for , and had a big scoop win ,taking into account all the losers there would have to be more than 1 half million coup in there surely,with his resources no great skill in landing a nive scoop 6 pot ,how many has harry and the squirel landed,the book was complete garbage and anyone who thinks he was stomping across goodwoods restraunt to tell nichols how to ride and where to ride horses he had no connection with is dreaming
the book says the williams runner ability was hidden under a bushell till the day that counted, anyone backing it before that day was burning £10 notes
1tp it had only ran once was 25/1 and had blinkers my guess is not many £10's burned[;)]
As Alan Partridge would say,"needless to say,Patrick had the last laugh".
Veitch could not lay straight in bed.
Nevertheless,he has made a good income from horse racing.
Veitch could not lay straight in bed.
Nevertheless,he has made a good income from horse racing.
the mans a genius most of his detractors couldnt win with the same chance in life-jealous muppets
It always makes me laugh when a few clowns on here try and belittle a man who has made chunks from the game. His book may or may not be sh1te, but one things for sure he has made the game pay big time over the years and I expect most posters on here have not (including me!)
The OP started the thread asking has anyone read the book and was it any good and so people have replied and the overwhelming reply has been no, it wasn't.
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I have heard rumours of a HF book in the pipeline which I would preorder straight away.
Save your money , you'll learn nothing from HF , apparantly 1-33 is value according to HF , so 1-66 or 1-100 was not value then .
Nah...you won't learn anything from a man who has won 8 million from gambling. Maybe you should write a book and we can learn from you instead?
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I have heard rumours of a HF book in the pipeline which I would preorder straight away.
Save your money , you'll learn nothing from HF , apparantly 1-33 is value according to HF , so 1-66 or 1-100 was not value then .
Nah...you won't learn anything from a man who has won 8 million from gambling. Maybe you should write a book and we can learn from you instead?
Mr.Veitch has been around for what three decades ? He makes the game pay, therefore he is undoubtedly a success and has a reputation in gambling that a publisher thought worthy of a book deal. I haven`t and won`t read it even though he bet with me in the 80s (and no I did not close him down...nor did I follow him either) He probably thought if he backed one that went from 10s to 3s that was another account closed.
In the context of the gambling game he is worthy of our respect, but the whole unending pursuit of cash is not a valid subject for a book imo let alone a satisfying way to live one`s life...that is what I am doing too so I am not criticising just observing.
The sales of this book are probably on a par with a Guide to Glasgow`s Transport Cafes and this thread gives it a standing that it probably doesn`t deserve.
PV is probably enjoying reading this thread, and good luck to him. I am certainly jealous of the sums he has made, but if it were me and I had his riches..I would be doing something more worthwhile with my life rather than going over the past and only stopping typing to plan the next betting coup.
In the context of the gambling game he is worthy of our respect, but the whole unending pursuit of cash is not a valid subject for a book imo let alone a satisfying way to live one`s life...that is what I am doing too so I am not criticising just observing.
The sales of this book are probably on a par with a Guide to Glasgow`s Transport Cafes and this thread gives it a standing that it probably doesn`t deserve.
PV is probably enjoying reading this thread, and good luck to him. I am certainly jealous of the sums he has made, but if it were me and I had his riches..I would be doing something more worthwhile with my life rather than going over the past and only stopping typing to plan the next betting coup.
Pat would look at a horses stride over different goings and distances and also map out their fitness over a season to pinpoint when they are spot-on.
'thegiggilo
04 Sep 11 02:21
All the tools are there if you can race read,read form and spot non triers. seven years its taken me and i could retire tomorrow.If you hate losing so much you're willing to put in at least 12 hour days everyday you've got a chance,there are no great secrets.'
Out of interest, thegiggilo, do you cover all racing or do you specialise? I'm not sure even 12 hrs a day would be enough for me to keep on top of everything. Cheers.
04 Sep 11 02:21
All the tools are there if you can race read,read form and spot non triers. seven years its taken me and i could retire tomorrow.If you hate losing so much you're willing to put in at least 12 hour days everyday you've got a chance,there are no great secrets.'
Out of interest, thegiggilo, do you cover all racing or do you specialise? I'm not sure even 12 hrs a day would be enough for me to keep on top of everything. Cheers.
No jump racing duncan,havn't done any for 6 years.You are right really you need 18 hour days to do everything but most punters seem to think you can get up at 6am do 4/5 hours and thats enough,you've got no chance.Unfortunately those 18 hour days catch up,i don't do those sort of hours anymore probably
12 hour days i'm the complete opposite to what punters see as the right races to bet in.All early season maidens with horses that have done decent speed figure or any maiden really with horses that you know will run to a specific mark,the sprints i specialize in and most races up to a mile and then there's the aw just looking for new horses clocking decent times.Any suspect ground fcasts i won't bet,this season has been the worst ever for ground changes.The amount of times i've done form for soft ground horses just to see the ground changes the following day over the last month.
12 hour days i'm the complete opposite to what punters see as the right races to bet in.All early season maidens with horses that have done decent speed figure or any maiden really with horses that you know will run to a specific mark,the sprints i specialize in and most races up to a mile and then there's the aw just looking for new horses clocking decent times.Any suspect ground fcasts i won't bet,this season has been the worst ever for ground changes.The amount of times i've done form for soft ground horses just to see the ground changes the following day over the last month.
Thanks for reply, the giggilo. Yep, i suppose in some respects it's reassuring that hard graft is important, as you know most people cant or wont go that extent. I know i need to specialise but have so far struggled to naturally find areas to concentrate on as i have little angles at all distances etc. Sounds like speed figs play a big part in yr operation, and thus natural to concentrate on shorter distances/maidens. Do you generate yr own speed figs? I guess that would be an edge in itself.
I used to read many auto biogs years ago and by far the most interesting were of ordinary people you've never heard of. Unless the writer is trying to help others in their story the only other reasons for writing an auto biog is to promote their own career or just plain ego. For many its not enough to be succesful others must also realise how great you are.
I generally don't bet odds on but the one raced maidens with a decent speed figure going into maidens on second run books generally price these up anywhere between 4/5 and 1/2 regardless of that run.
Just using time comparisons with older handicappers on the same cards gives you a guide to their capabilities and if you can give them a mark of say 80,the chances of that 2yr old being beaten on its second run in a maiden is very unlikely.In reality they are probably 1/6 shots as only 1 or two a season get beat and usually you find they go on to run well in group races etc,i also do it with 3yr olds as well but even though thats not quite as good % wise there are plenty of bets to nothing.
Everything that does a decent time i have written down,so basically all the best times and runs i have to hand everyday,i don't include older horse group races i rarely bet in those as there's very little value.The ideal situation would there to be no 3yr old races just 2yr olds and 4yrolds upwards as trying to keep track of the 3yr olds and if and how much they've improved takes up far to much time.
Just using time comparisons with older handicappers on the same cards gives you a guide to their capabilities and if you can give them a mark of say 80,the chances of that 2yr old being beaten on its second run in a maiden is very unlikely.In reality they are probably 1/6 shots as only 1 or two a season get beat and usually you find they go on to run well in group races etc,i also do it with 3yr olds as well but even though thats not quite as good % wise there are plenty of bets to nothing.
Everything that does a decent time i have written down,so basically all the best times and runs i have to hand everyday,i don't include older horse group races i rarely bet in those as there's very little value.The ideal situation would there to be no 3yr old races just 2yr olds and 4yrolds upwards as trying to keep track of the 3yr olds and if and how much they've improved takes up far to much time.
No bets today duncan unless draw throws something up at newcastle,phair winter was the only thing that caught my eye at 33s but dropped back another furlong.If they split into two groups and highs looked like they held an advantage then maybe i would back it highly unlikely, its ridiculously well handicapped on runs at hamilton beverley.
The gigilo is a handy tool,speed figures my hole.Anybody betting on ratings and figures are a million in this game.Everything he said was pure garbage,4 to 5 hours a day would be loads to be spending doing form
05 Sept 10.56
Duncan Disorderly
That's a really excellent post, and it's how I feel too.
Duncan Disorderly
That's a really excellent post, and it's how I feel too.
pittsburgh phil articles are much more informative on methods
Duncan,he says one or two once raced maidens with good speed figures get beaten each year,the rest win.Have you ever seen such garbage in all your life.They should be 1/6 shots i think he says
duncan the only certaintity on this post is with as much race reading,form study as you like you couldnt have found the winner with which pv made a huge lump from,when the quinlans had a touch with far more transparent horses than his they were labled cheats by many on here, and in his r, pot article he named a big scoop 6 success as one of his big wins,with the money at his disposel and the large perms he undoubtedly uses,its no great betting feat
Are you really that thick mincer,or simply can't read.
I have read the book and thought the most useful part of it was the dedication and insight you need to find in order to win big in sports betting. It made me think that you need to find your own edge in order to be succesful. The exponential betting coup made for a good read if anything else. I wasn't particularly expecting there to be a huge amount of secrets given away
Thought I saw PV in Edinburgh a fortnight back. Driving a Lambo with a private reg that was very similar to his surname, but as I thought he kept a low profile I'm not sure.
Anyways for what it's worth I read the book, and enjoyed it.
Anyways for what it's worth I read the book, and enjoyed it.
Create an air of mystique. in short its aload of old bolocks.
So he's had it off a few times ,so what.
So he's had it off a few times ,so what.
no, sucks. basically he just tells us all his biggest gambles were from inside info on his own horses.
^^^ The sales of the Racing Post published paperback need another boost, imo...
May I just point out that this thread being brought back up has fk all to do with me. I never bought it, never will.
He writes a book about how terrified he was after gangsters wanted his money. He includes photos of himself in the book. He tells us he often goes racing.He tells us he is worth millions.He drives about in a Lambo with his name at each end.Is this some police sting operation aimed at kidnappers or does the guy turn into a total fvckwit as soon as he closes his form book?
running your own horses down the field,then adding blinkers , cheekpieces etc ,before finding the right race at a lower level , does not last time i looked constitute studying the formbook
very odd, this -
RedStag has a joining date of only 6 days ago ...
Yet he brings back to the top - A THREAD STARTED 3 WEEKS BEFORE HE JOINED.
Agenda, anybody.
RedStag has a joining date of only 6 days ago ...
Yet he brings back to the top - A THREAD STARTED 3 WEEKS BEFORE HE JOINED.
Agenda, anybody.
lot of sour grapes on here....wouldnt mind being a few bob behind him [;)]
vietch and nevison in their books both claim to have been targeted by gangsters,i always thought being a trawlerman was the most dangerous job
Red Stag does sound very suspicious
probably an agent of SPECTRE or SMERSH
probably an agent of SPECTRE or SMERSH
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