can anybody tell me some horses names arthur pitt trained in epsom please?

He trained Persian War for a while.

yes only for a while he spoke about that but im tryin to recall the other old warriorsof his from my youth lol..

Frimley Park?

ocean king

Moyne Royal? - a 3 mile hurdler

1974 ocean king, tommy carter.

i didnt rate him had 3 winners a year i think in the last 5 years of training just a run of the mill trainer

girl your late as ever

Moyne royal, jeff king.

hello vernon
hows ure luck?

o i dont remember ocean king lol

Won the Ces vernon.

i dont remembermoyne royal! lol some from late 70s or 80s lol..hi gredykills..yer im ok fanx iv hurt my back tho im in agony

wow won cesarwitch   kool

Best Flat horse that he trained was probably Rocamadour (3rd in Eclipse Stakes). Ocean King (1974 Cesarewitch winner) and another good handicapper was he had was Redden (Won 1975 City & Suburban).

His best jumper was undoubtedly Persian War whom he trained to win the 1970 Irish Sweeps Hurdle at Leopardstown. Another good `un` as mentioned above was Moyne Royal (1973 Stayers Hurdle Winner at Cheltenham).

Starch Reduced ,think was owned by Spence. Hear his son in in law is to start training soon.

Should buy a saddle for that bike vernon,ffs if you are not paying PC anymore buy a WHOLE NEW BIKE.

BTW you can even get bikes without the basket on the front these days and without a fixed wheel.No wonder your back is killing you.[:p]

Joking apart (lol)I can remember Freight Forwarder,was it not actually owned by a Freight forwarding company?

Who trains at Wendover now?

Simon Dow js.

Just grabbed a couple of Horses In Training at random.

1974 - Arthur Pitt had 34 horses listed - including the aforementioned Ocean King - but others mostly moderate..... Starch Reduced, Moyne Royal, Merry Cricketer, Quarrymaster, Pauldenham.

Somewhat surprised to see that J Banks was listed as an owner with him.

1981 - 29 horses listed - including Freight Forwarder - again, mostly moderate others.... Acapulco Gold, Bihas Bounty, Davenport Boy, King Hagen, Leith Hill Flyer, Sharp Celeste, Rocadamour.

Owners - Oliver Reed - and a certain C F Sparrowhawk ... now there's a name I remember.

i remember acapulco gold done me for a trixie at brighton one day , i had 2 4/1s going onto a horse trained by ryan price called glenhawk @ 1/3, and acapulco gold then trained by a certain merrick francis beat him easily , merricks 1st winner as a trainer, i think, i heard some years later that merrick used to work for price,

At Wendover now is Roger Ingram.

Moyne Royal
freight Forwarder
Persian War
Ocean king
Rag trade
Bowies Brig

From history of racehorse training at Epsom.

Plus
Merry cricketer

The owner of Persian War was a right k n o b. Continally changing trainers. Persain War won 3 Champion Hurdles with Colin Davies then he moved him to Pitt. I had a large (for me) double on Brigadier Gerard (2000gns) 12s and Persian War (Champion Hurdle) at 4s (2nd). Still have the ante post ticket. IN fairness probably wouldn't have beaten Bula that day.

I remember the club he had at Epsom.Did he train Popsis Joy,or was it someone else at Epsom?

m haynes trained popsi,s joy didnt he?

Lucky Streak was a fair horse in late 60´s early 70´s. Burydell and Persian Empire I also remember.

Youre right Micheal,it was Haynes.Henry Alper owned Persian War,he had the West Ham colours. He had a share with Ruby Huntman at Harringay and White City but fell out with him.The firm was still in the name of H.Alper right up to the end although he had nothing to do with it for years.I remember another good hurdler/staying handicapper Clever Scot.He won the Great Met when it was run across the Downs.I remember it because I had a big bet at the time for me,20 ponies each way.A boy called R.Dicey rode it ,I think he became champion apprentice,he was good.Colin Davies trained it.

Henry Alper owned Clever Scot.

Owners - Oliver Reed - and a certain C F Sparrowhawk ... now there's a name I remember.

Remember his name on plant and cranes when I was very young.

Loved his racing.

Charlie Sparrowhawk lived at Epsom,owned some good greyhounds as well as horses.

http://www.davidpipe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=157:sa...

whitmarsh,
His daughter Wendy runs the club now, it was based in the house where Scobie breasley and walter Nightingall lived.
Put up for sale last week.

Arthur got Persian War at the tail end of its career, but won the Sweeps Hurdle with it.

Alper had it with Brian Swift first, won the triumph and the Victor Ludorum; then it was entered in france apparently against Brians wishes..
Alper moved it to Colin Davies but Jimmy Uttley kept the mount over hurdles, and Brian Jago rode it on the flat.

Arthur trained a horse called Claret and Blue for Alper.
It was alao Arthur who got Alan spence (Freight Forwarder) involved.

whatever happened to brian jago didnt he ride for haslam?

Yes, michael . I had a drink with him last Sunday.
Retired in 1984.

he used to ride a horse called black mike in the late 70s rarly 80s, i remember it won 3 on the bounce and i had it each time , happy days

Did Arthur buy Rag Trade for Teasy Weasy? Is the Club up for Sale Mr. E

js,

I think Teasy Weasy owned Rag Trade for many years and then moved it to Arthur. It was with Arthur when it won the 1975 Midlands Grand National.
The house is with agents, "with the benefit of the drinks licence". Twenty odd rooms, bar, kitchen, restaurant etc plus an acre. O.I.R.O. £2m.
The stables at Wendover where Roger Ingram trains and South hatch where Jim Boyle trains are unaffected.

Interesting to read this, Arthur is my 2nd cousin, I don't really know him but I used to visit his parents at Winforton in Herefordshire with my Dad (his cousin) I always used to look out for Arthurs horses in particular his Alan Spence horses like Freight Forwarder, Ocean King and another which I think was Northern Lights. Arthur was well known as a trainer who could work with younger horses, he was never going to train big names, but from all accounts he was quite a character, I think he might have had a spot of bother with the authorities at Epsom a couple of times, hence the move to South Hatch!

I grew up in Epsom and remember Arthur when he first started training. one of his forst winners was a horse called Obrigada. A mate of mine was a green keeper at the RAC club and Arthur told him to have a few quid on it in a race at Wincanton. It duly won in the hands of Barry Brogan. Seem to remember it was about 8/1.
Happy days at Epsom then when they had some good horses and trainers.
Does anyone know if an old mate of mine Joe Stevens is still around? One of lifes charachters!

Yes Joe is still around, at every Epsom meeting; and most Lingfields if Richard Hannon has a runner.

one of the horses he had i,m sure was caled BOBBY MOORE.My brother in law was an apprentice with him in the early seventies called CHRIS CHARD.
hE HAD A few rides but weight became a problem and eventually moved to australia and worked as work rider for Bart Cummings.
he was the chief work rider for a horse called THINK BIG who won two consecutive Melbourne cups.

gull,
I remember the horse BobbyMoore. Owned by Henry "Persian War" Alper whose horses ran in west Ham's colours. I will pass on the news of Chris next time I am up at the club.

Thanks Mister E. Say hello to Joe for me if you see him. Tell him Ron Moore was asking after him. I used to drive for Joe when he was training, that was 40 years ago. Don't get to many of the southern meetings these days as I live in the South West.

Must go the South Hatch before its sold. Last time i was there think Arthur was still barred!

Pulling this up for themmightymac

Northern Dynasty a shocking omission.

Tumbler & Whirlitzer, also.

Great fred for the oldies.