OLD HORSES FROM THE 60s/70s, ANYONE REMEMBER..?

Yes, it was an end of season  target race in those days, but usually small fields.

Into View's best win was probably the Black & White where he beat Leap Frog and Glencaraig Lady, but the race was over two miles. He gave Fortina's Palace 16lbs in the Geoffrey Gilbey, and the field also included The Laird, Bighorn, Young Ash Leaf and Royal Toss. Safe to say one of the better renewals. He won the Hermitage beating Spanish Steps a short head, one of earliest races I can remember.

We've had a previous conversation airto regarding having the same fav horse of all time , as i recall   

Anyone help me with one.

Easby Abbey was a very tough high class handicapper who progressed up the ranks to be placed in a Champion Hurdle. Very effective at Doncaster.

Did he lose his life having just started a chasing career?

Remember the horse dd and the Doncaster bit sounds right but don’t know what happened to him

Not sure about him losing his life having just started his chasing career. As i do recall him winning either Massey Ferguson/ Mackeson get them mixed up in mid 70s with a big weight .So must have been a 2nd season chaser @ least.

1975 Massey Ferguson Geoff great recall ,I just looked it up,to be honest it’s not even the easby I was thinking off.

So that was the 75/76 season, and he probably was a novice chaser the previous season. Horses used to run more in those days, but unlikely he would have had even 10 runs over fences by the time of that Massey Ferguson win. Question is what happened to him afterwards.

Long memory required (and probably an unforgettable horse to boot). Sparrow Pie - looking for any info as it's this nag which I can blame for getting me into horse racing/betting probably the early 60's.

Saturday, June 15th, 1963

SPARROW PIE ENHANCES ASCOT CHANCE WITH H.Q. WIN

Sparrow Pie and Der Ring, two Royal Hunt Cup hopes for Ascot next Wednesday, ran in the Mile Milton Handicap at Newmarket to-day.
  Although Der Ring came with a strong run in the final stages, top weight Sparrow Pie, who had taken up the running three furlongs out, held on gamely to win by threequarters of a length.
Trainer G. Barling said that Sparrow Pie would trake his chance in the Royal Hunt Cup, despite a 6lb penalty.

^
it was a non runner in the Hunt Cup

jimnast and ribero

Vilgora was trained by - A 'Monty' Stevens

Vilgora was a reasonably popular Handicap Sprinter - unsurprisingly, given the connotation of his name - being a son of Raffingora

Best season was as a 4-yr-old in 1976, with multiple wins

I would need to look up the individual races, though

Thanks Onlooker,as soon as I saw Steve Perks I immediately thought of Reg!

The first time I attended Royal Ascot in 1965, I saw Goldhill win the Kings Stand Stakes. I was very much in the cheap seats as a student at the time. I think Lester rode it but I can't find the full result online.

^^^ Wow! Thanks tobermory, I'm impressed. What year would that have been please? (my guess wold be 1964 or 1965)

1963, Saturday, June 15th

Ballyhoara Hill and Catsgore



Dr Crippen    22 Feb 11:38



Madhatter.
Ballyhoara Hill:
Won a 3 mile novice chase at Chepstow Saturday 17 March 1973.
He was fifth with no chance when Solid Gold, Tinkers Green, Master Samson and Cintrah, all fell at the last fence leaving him clear.
Won 20 lengths 5/4 favourite.
Catsgore:
Led tenth till fell last at Newbury 3 mile h/cap hurdle Friday 1 March 1974.
Won by Mac’s Birthday 6/1 favourite with Rossmon 2nd
I have got form the formbooks Madhatter, but I don’t know anywhere else that you can get the info from.

    






madhatter    22 Feb 12:29



Dr Crippen - Thank you so much for this.

That is just the info I was looking for (although I think Catsgore fell when clear at the last on several occasions?). The Ballyhoara Hill race was on telly so must have been part of the ITV & or the old BBC Triella...there's one that hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet!

I doubt that the film still exists but I will never forget it....four horses all falling at the last to leave the distant fifth to win it!

Mad.

    






madhatter    22 Feb 12:33



Yes Glover was in Kes, and in the Pub scene in American Werewolf in London and in Alien 3 and he famously did the voice over for the Hovis advert (kid walking up cobbled street pushing his bike - ''nowt taken out'') and and countless other appearances...a great character actor.

God, I sound like I'm really old..............but I'm only 46!

Mad.

    






HENRY the Seventh    22 Feb 12:49



Brian Glover also played Bottom in the BBC version of Shakespeare`s comedy play, A Midsummer Night`s Dream. He got kissed and cuddled by Titania, played by a lovely young Helen Mirren.

For the information of "grappling fans" commentator Kent Walton, a canadian, was a disc jockey before becoming the voice of professional wrestling. I think he later married into serious money and became a kept man. What a good idea.

    






Dr Crippen    22 Feb 13:15



You are right about Catsgore madhatter, in his previous race at Wincanton in a 2m 5f chase he had done the same thing, falling at the last when in the lead. In fact when he fell at Newbury that made five times on the trot where he had fallen or unseated his rider. It didn’t seem to bother him though, because he won another seven races in the following seasons.

Part of a conversation with a fellow forumite from 18 years ago!!!

Another one I loved was called Firefright....ran mostly over 10f i think, always tailed off early and then finished like a train...
Can't remember anything else about it but my dad religously backed it every time it ran!

Sageform.I'm not 100% sure but think Jimmy Etherington rode Goldhill in the Kings Stand.

Re my 2nd question to tobermory......

I've just re-read his first post

A little nudge to the memory is remembered tomorrow at Ascot i.e Sagaro,a great stayer of the era,I seem to remember backing Buckskin to beat him a couple of times,in vain probably.Memories not so clear tbh.

Also remember backing a horse called Mrspurplepeopleater either late December 76 or early Jan 77,in Liverpool for a couple of days R & R from the Sir Galahad,Victoria docks,lost I think,just like certain songs some races/horses can remind you of particular events or places when otherwise they would perhaps be lost.

Meladon and Carligford Castle first winner i backed at the festival and the royal meeting backed them both with Fred Binns though this game is easy .
Done more tanks than Romell since.

Ronnie.

May 2, 2023 -- 10:06PM, Lee Ho Fooks wrote:

Re my 2nd question to tobermory......I've just re-read his first post

Seems Sparrow Pie was a 2YO in 1961 and was still around in '64, '65 as you thought. Just that one article mentioning him I found as he was a decent handicapper seemingly, who was aimed at the bigger ones rather than a classy horse

The first time I attended Royal Ascot in 1965, I saw Goldhill win the Kings Stand Stakes. I was very much in the cheap seats as a student at the time. I think Lester rode it but I can't find the full result online.

Tommy West was correct

King's Stand Stakes, June 18th, 1965 - £2,050

5:30

1st - Goldhill 10/1 - M H Easterby/Etherington
2nd - Spaniard's Mount 100/30 - F N Winter/D Smith
3rd - Golden Apollo 50/1 - A Smyth/ J Mercer

11 ran - fav Merry Madcap 11/8 Maxwell/Piggott

Dist: 4l & 1 1/2l

I remember Goldhill along with Althrey Don, Dondeen and Daylight Robbery in that same era.

Good morning onlooker

Thanks for the info on vilgora I think the race I remember is early season 1977

Thanks tobermory. My defective memory must have mixed it up with another year. Didn't Jack Ormston train a winner with Lester riding? My only record book only goes back to 1965 so it could have been 63 or 64.

sageform 03 May 23 07:43 
Thanks tobermory. My defective memory must have mixed it up with another year. Didn't Jack Ormston train a winner with Lester riding? My only record book only goes back to 1965 so it could have been 63 or 64.






Majority Rule the 1963 winner was ridden by Piggott and for some reason the race did not take place in 1964.

Not run in 1964 due to waterlogged course

Trillium 3.50 Ascot , I seem to remember a horse of that name back in the early 70s think it was trained by Ian Balding anyone confirm either way...

Certainly remember that horse workrider but couldn't swear who trained it , possibly Dunlop or Hobbs  ??

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Er, 'she' was a gelding according to Timeform. Originally trained by Harvey Leader, Pritchard-Gordon took over in 1972, when Trillium was a 6-y-old.

Best win in 1972 was the 5F handicap at the Epsom Derby meeting.
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Trillium was a gelding, and not that small. Trained by Harvey Leader for first three racing seasons thence Pritchard-Gordon. Raced from age 3 'til the age of 10.  Very useful handicapper and regularly won three or four good handicaps a season from age four 'til eight.   Won at Goodwood too OnlookerCool

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Gavid Pritchard-Gordon renamed his stables Trillium Place (it was originally called Graham Place), so presumably won a few bob on him. David Simcock trains there now. The horse was a fast starter - Pat Eddery rode him, and said he had to be careful not to fall out the back as he left the stalls.

Hayden - Whenever I see the name Trillium - I always instantly think - Bruce Hobbs, too ...

Even though, I remember your above reproduced post from last year - too.

Thanks Hayden , brought back some memories there..

Onlookwe - it could be all those T's trained by Hobbs for Cambanis that triggers the memory.

Sageform. I don't recall Jack Ormston having a winner at Royal Ascot around that time. You may have been thinking of Roughlyn trained in the north winning the Kings Stand.

Well who trained Majority Rule the 1963 winner ridden by Piggott?

Found it now......1963 King's Stand Stakes MAJORITY RULE 100/8 owned by John Muldoon, trained by Paddy O'Gorman and ridden by Lester Piggott




The point being that the horse won in 1963 and was ridden by Piggott as the poster has said.

Horse running today called Trillium , seem to remember a horse of the same name who was pretty useful. Remember him / her winning at York around 1961 . I was 10. !

Trillium is a flower apparently.

Sorry workrider, just noticed your post on trillium.

Anyone remember a horse called Blustery ? i had 5 bob ew for The Lincoln when i was about 7, it won.
I think Dennis Mckay rode it ?

Trillium Grandiflorum - three petals and three leaves!

sotlands' only classic winner was. cheers.

Rockavon

Vilgora won the Temple stakes 1977

correct blackbarn, I bet a horse called Linacre, I am sure it was in around 1965 in the Eclipse trained by P Prendergast and ridden by B Bougoure , it ran 2nd but can't remember what beat it, can anyone make me the wiser. cheers.

For fans of Into View (and Bula), here's the film of him winning that race at Sandown where he came from being tailed off in a 5-runner race to getting up on the line. It's the second of 2 races shown in the piece- the first is the valuable hcap hurdle where Bulaq passed 10 horses from the 2nd last to keep his unbeaten record (13 from 13 I think) under 12 stone plus. Both ridden by Paul Kellewway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FkTtsrDsoA&ab_channel=TIMETRAVELLER1955

1965 Eclipse Stakes was Won by - Canisbay - Trained by Cecil Boy-Rochfort - and ridden by Stan Clayton.

George Todd's - Roan Rocket  was 2nd - Linacre did not run in the race.

Garnie Bougoure had Won the Eclipse for the 2 previous years for Paddy Prendergast - notably on Ragusa in 1964

Linacre Won the Irish 2000 Guineas - Cannot find it Placed in an Eclipse.

Bula was making it 9/9 when taking that Benson & Hedges Handicap beating Moyne Royal a short head conceding 12lbs. The likes of Normandy and Coral Diver were also in the field, and Coral Diver was actually trying to concede Bula a pound.

That's a great find Ged and almost as i remember watching it.

Think you'd have got 1000 for that one no problem.

differentdrum - thanks.

the bairn - Linacre was twice 2nd in the Champion Stakes, both times to a French winner of an English Guineas - the filly Hula Dancer in 1963 and the colt Baldric II in 1964. He was by the same sire, Rockefella, as Rockavon. Rockefella didn't achieve a whole lot on the racecourse, but he was the only offspring of the outstanding filly Rockfel, and had much greater influence at stud, being the damsire of Sharpen Up, who in turn sired Kris, Diesis and Keen.

blackbarn - You are correct -

I must always think that Trillium is part of the famous Stilvi line - that produced the likes of -Tromos and Tolmi.

Yes Hobbs always sticks in my mind all stemming from the Sleeping Partner days for Lord Roseberry when i was a very under age punter.

Still got a clip somewhere of Julian Wilson & Jimmy Lindley debating a difference of opinion as to which was the best filly following Cry of Truth & Lady Rowley winning at Goodwood.

onlooker and Ged, brilliant replies, your information brings back golden memories of some great horses and jockeys. thank you. cheers

MENTIONING  Hobbs .The 1st Saturday meeting i ever visited was 1975 Magnet Cup won by Hobbs Jolly Good ridden by Willie Carson off a light weight. Hobbs had the 1st & 2nd if memory serves correct with CHil The Kite probably ridden by geoff baxter. I could be mistaken but Chil The Kite may well have been owned by Lord Roseberry.  Whilst on the subject of Bruce Hobbs he had the 2nd hoss called Stop The Music in the maiden won by Wollow on his debut >never amounted to much and ended up running in selling hurdles for Uttoxeter based Bill Clay.

Geoff - My old favourite Mr Bigmore was second in Jolly Good's Magnet Cup Win. I dont know if Jolly Good and Chil the Kite ever met; they were both top class handicappers. The latter was owned by Lady Rosebery - Primrose with Rose sleeves, very ladylike colours although same colourway as Mr Primrose!!

The Bairn, when I was a student in the I.N.S. in 1971 Linacre was one of the Stallions , if I remember correctly we also had Tudor Music, Whistling Wind , who stood alongside him .

Good memory workrider. Linacre £250 plus a guinea for the groom. Tudor Music was £1000 and Whistling Wind £500. Also standing were Lord Gayle at £850 and Giolla Mear at £150.

Thanx for reply Blackbarn: I should have remembered as Onlooker furnished me with the following back in 2012!!:

CHIL THE KITE

Finished 5th in the Magnet Cup - to ...

JOLLY GOOD - 7st 8lb - Willie Carson
Mr Bigmore - 7st 3lb - Richard Fox*5
Prominent - 8st 7lb - Ian Johnson*5
Calaba - 9st 3lb - L Piggott.

Jolly Good trained by Bruce Hobbs.

CHIL THE KITE - then-
Won Charlton Handicap - at Glorious Goodwood.- and -

Rose of York Handicap - at the Ebor meeting - from
Touch of Gold, and Gloss.

Blackbarn,Athene the dam of Rhinegold visited Tudor Music in 1972/73 not sure the foal was a huge success.

May 4, 2023 -- 8:47AM, geoff m wrote:

Thanx for reply Blackbarn: I should have remembered as Onlooker furnished me with the following back in 2012!!:CHIL THE KITEFinished 5th in the Magnet Cup - to ...JOLLY GOOD - 7st 8lb - Willie CarsonMr Bigmore - 7st 3lb - Richard Fox*5Prominent - 8st 7lb - Ian Johnson*5Calaba - 9st 3lb - L Piggott.Jolly Good trained by Bruce Hobbs.CHIL THE KITE - then-Won Charlton Handicap - at Glorious Goodwood.- and -Rose of York Handicap - at the Ebor meeting - fromTouch of Gold, and Gloss.

Glosss wasn't that Walwyn and Eddery ?

Seem to recall Gloss involved in that Queen Anne race at Royal Ascot when the first three were disqualified , wasn't it the big grey horse first past the post that day ?

Gloss finished second to Confusion apprpriately, Royal ???? was third with the grey Brook finishing 4th awarded the race.

Thanks blackbarn , was just going on memory.

Royal Prerogative just came to me as placed.

Here's the recording of that race , 1974 opening race at Royal Ascot.

Unreal the front three disqualified and funny to see Brook ambling through a mile back in 4th to eventually get the race.

https://www.facebook.com/AscotRacecourse/videos/1974-queen-anne-stakes-brook-declared-winner/511180313406941/

was just thinking about Yamadori so decided to google it

Hang On Elvis……Neville Callaghan…..

Ubedizzy the bite….

Chancers Last  TRAINED BY KEITH LEWIS RIDDEN BY EITHER RON HYETT OR ALAN WEBB

Come Play With Me
Coded Scrap
Yes Yes Yes
Dred Scot

Vilgora
Pampapoul

Rasp.
Coded scrap was owned bu a scrap merchant  from Durham Charie Newtown  Jr.
His house  was featured  in the get carter movie.
Think Fairhurst trained  the horse.
Hope you are well.
Ronnie.

Move Off - came from a mile back after comms said and you can forget move off

Yes, I think Fairhurst rings a bell!

Ta, Ronnie. All the best. I used to work as a boardman for Heathorn's.

Was only a kid - think they had a few shops in the south-west.

Remember a lot of these old names.

Cheers.

raspberrybottom

Heathorns that's a name from the past, i remember over 30 yr ago at the royal meeting it was the same year as a world cup was on, i had a score on England to win with the major, who rocks up as I'm speaking to him but jp, he asked the major what price on England nil nil, he replies after a couple of seconds 13/2 jp has a bet on, i think Robson scored after 48 seconds, those were the days my friend

Certainly were the days, Ronnie.

If memory serves I believe that super quick Robson goal was against France in '82.

Cheers!

rasp

sat in the lakes reading victor chandlers put your life on it, on the back a quote from barny curley

victors reputation as one of the great modern bookmakers is fully deserved.. there was so much atmosphere along the rails and on the racecourse in that era and those of us who lived through it can say we saw the best

Lovely!

Lovely!

As I've mentioned before on here


Jimmy Miff

A wonderful name for a horse and that is why I remember it

Here forumites can read all about Jimmy Miff

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Death+of+old+favourite+Jimmy+Miff%3B+Uttoxeter+may+honour+its+course...-a061927681

Not from 60s or 70s but Gordon Richards/Nicky trained Better Times Ahead stays in the memory

Bowing out at 15 (like Jimmy Miff) with a handicap hurdle success

I do remember a courageous nag that rain Grand National

Pilgarlic

My mum always backed The Pilgarlic each way in the National. Always ran a good race in the National

The Pilgarlic was a half brother to Gold Cup and National winner L'escargot

Otter Way - Won the Whitbread at Sandown in the mid 70s.
Sailcloth - November Handicap 1977.
W Six Times - Michael Dickinson Chaser. (Worked Well. Will Win. When Wanted)
John Cherry - Won the Cesarewitch in 1976 with Piggott up.
Early Spring - Chaser trained by Bob Turnell. His son Andy, used to ride as short as Piggott over the jumps.   

Steel Pulse, winner of Irish Derby in '72, beating Scottish Rifle. The first time I ever took more of an un-noticed by the media unlucky winner last time out - at Epsom in this case. Got knocked about all over the place at Epsom but nobody seemed to notice, so occupied was everyone with Lester getting up on Roberto.
Got 11/1 as I recall and was thus caulk a hoop!

Typo, sry.  I meant unlucky loser, not winner.

Border Flight.
My first bet on the GN ( my old man put it on for me,I'm not that ancient ). Fell and the jockey Paddy O'Farrell was left paralysed 

Provideo Brondesbury

Quick look at the Michael Stoute list in 1985 Horses in training.
Shardari, Scottish Reel, Shadeed. Two year olds included Colorspin and Green Desert.

Names from my teens in the 50/60s. Lochroe, Linwell, Bob tailed Un (the last horse to run with a docked tail that I can remember) Pointsman, Halloween, Gay Donald.

Tingle Creek - noeeds no intro but sorry if already mentioned.

Jellaby - stumbled and unshipped Brian Taylor with Lockinge at his mercy.

Pink Elephant - handicapper and subject of my ever bet (at the time) when caught near the line in a Brighton handicap.

The only one I can think of that's not one of the greats is

Jon George who won the 1977 Ayr Gold Cup at 22/1.

Pendil beating Tingle Creek over 2m at Sandown giving him a small welght

https://theracingforum.co.uk/forums/topic/tingle-creek-14/         scroll down half way to see race


Red Rum & Red Candle battling out a great Hennessy finish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwft15X831Q


Never to be forgotten dead heat at Aintree between Monksfield & Night Nurse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X2Ai77voXE


Other great memories were Captain Christy's brilliant slamming of Bula by 30 lengths in the King George and that classic finish at Aintree when Morley Street and Granville Again were both still on the bridle on the run in with Graham Bradley winning the day.


Can't beat jump racing for great memories   

I remember losing a weeks wages on Try My Best.

Another 2000G disappointment was Apalachee.

Wiki Wiki Wheels which I believe was named after a car showroom in Hawaii.

Nijinsky what a horse he was.

My favourite of them all lockup, closely followed (later) by Dancing Brave and then, inevitably, DeaThs Stars and Frankel.
Pendil and Tingle Creek - fabulous post stirring immensely joyful memories.  We all mourned when Pencil lost his life.
Pre 70's, sry, but I can never forget Raffingora.  Absolutely burned up the Epsom 5f to set a new world record.  "Go on Raffingora"!

Sula Bula

Raffingora reminds me of Native Bazaar. Another of Bill Marshall's flying sprinters.