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John Joyce of Hartlepool was THE bookmaker in the Northern and Scottish rings during the 60's and the 70's. He did most of his own tissues and a lot of the Northern trainers had an account with him. He was always a gentleman but had boxed as an amateur in his younger days and Jack London,British Heavyweight Champion, also from Hartlepool, refused to spar with him because he hit too hard. John died around 1985.
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from above list
LEN WALTON..sadly died , i believe his son has too GRAHAM LISLES..still fit and well. is he chairman of hunslet rugby league LAURIE DOLAN..fit and well. allocated the pitches in the northern silver ring . was known as sargent major dolan BILL CORLESS..manchester. i believe died WATSON BROS..were market traders in doncaster untilthey won 35,000 on the football pools arround 1970. became course bookmakers and opened a betting office in armthorpe near doncaster. one spends most of his afternoons in a william hill office in doncaster centre. another , john , retired to buy a pub somewhere in east anglia STUART & RICHARDS..the first named visited ripon oftento say hello to old friends. in poor health last i saw him. may have died last year JOHN LYTHALL..nice family bookmaker and fiddler. his son took over but couldn't cope with the modern progress and sold up. TOM JAMES ..another good doncaster bookmaker who retired to live in scarborough. his son had little interest/aptitude so sold up. |
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I think Ronnie Hines (aka Bolton)retired and is living in North London.
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Adge.You are right about Len Walton's son ( Roy Sanders ) who died in 2005. Laurie Dolan, whose son Brent is well up the ladder of SIS, is unfortunately suffering from alzheimers or dimentia. Stuart & Richards ( Alan Shepherdson ) did die about a year or more ago. I would definately dispute your assessment of the late Tom James (Raymond Geraghty's ) sons. Kevin was a first class operator,but Nicky was not. Nicky wanted to be out so they did sell up. Kevin bought a Post Office in Scarborough,which is for sale if you fancy a change!
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It amazed me how many bookmakers sold up as soon as they could and are never seen on a racecourse again. Some, like Meredith Bros, seemed fascinated with the game and were racing every day, yet got out at the first opportunity & I've never seen them at the races since.
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sorry to read the update on Laurie , porfavor , i was one of the few who got on well with him
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Ricky Martin,the Scottish layer is also sadly missed.
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post office uhm
my only other job was in accountancy and in those days the best jobs [ profits wise ] used to be chemists or sub post offices. only other occupation i've ever fancied is a publican and that route is now worse than bookmaking |
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My local closed last week for refurbishment adge. Been bought by a local independent brewery which has good reports. Some-one has onfidence in the pub game's future.
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Problem for most Wassy I guess was that they suddenly almost overnight had something that was worthe something that wasnt the day before, problem was nobody really knew how much, in hindsight like any market you would have waited for things to settle down and the market price to be dictated, so many rushed for the door at their eventual cost but many for good reasons
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With you as the landlord the ale would be guaranteed to be kept moving through the pipes adge !!
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Who was the bookmaker that used to stand up at Sandown and Kempton and Newbury,and still used chalk when all the others were using felt-tip markers.
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heres a few others, steve dee,hector roberts, john kent.
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IVE GOT THE DADDY OF EM ALL ,THE UNDISPUTED ALL ENGLISH CHAMPION.WORLD CHAMPION,THE ONE AND ONLY ......HERE YOU ARE WASSY...........REG LEEETE............STEVE MURPHY WHO WORKS FOR SPINNING MICK ,YOU CAN ASK HIM ....WE TURNED UP IN THE MIDDLE GRAND NATIONAL SATURDAY...REG WAS IN THE RING BETTING ON THE AWAYS HE HAD A LOT OF BOARDS AROUND HIS JOINT WITH VARIOUS RACES ON ,STEVE SAID LOOK AT THE 4.30 AT HAMILTON ....ON MY MOTHERS LIFE ...2-1...5-2...3-1...3-1...5-1...7-2...4-1...3-1...5-1...4-1...3-1...AND I SWEAR TO GOD .......4-6 THE JOLLY ,LOLOLOLOLOL...315 %.......THE B.P.A. I THINK ONE YEAR A MONTHS SUSPENSION FOR SWEARING AT A PUNTER ,HE SENT EM A LETTER TELLING EM TO GO FK THERESELVES IM OFF FISHING AND HE DID....HE USED THE SAME FIELD BOOK FOR 5 YEARS HE CLERKED IN PENCIL THEN RUBBED IT ALL OUT HED PAY THE CLERK £8 A DAY ,IN DIED A MULTI MILLIONAIRE........A LEGEND
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unbiased Joined: 04 Feb 03
Replies: 1327 27 Jan 11 17:24 Who was the bookmaker that used to stand up at Sandown and Kempton and Newbury,and still used chalk when all the others were using felt-tip markers. could be w.g.dyer he always seemed to have chalk on his lips like as if he was eating the stuff |
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cashless , that wasn't a field book it was only a dog book...just six columns
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COLE, RODGER..USED TO STAND AT PORTSMOUTH DOGS, NICE BLOKE !!
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in fairness to reg leete he had some valuable pitches. he may have said something similiar to clive reemes because clive refused him permission to sell them at auction and scratched his name from the lists.
one was a top pck at royal ascot he got nothing for btw if anyone knows jig [ jig racing ] can you tell him where i am got an e-mail from home saying he's tried to ring me . haven't got my phone with me |
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I don't come on here very often, but this is the best thread ever. Allpoints, as usual you are a feast of knowledge. The names Bob Muir, Jimmy 'Tashy' Grey, Alec Lewis, Harry Eaton and the daddy of them all--Bobby Hill bring back memories of a better world racing-wise. Bobby Hill could, literally, make a book with a shirt button in the bag. He had a hunger for getting hold of a few quid when his back was up to the wall, but gave it away when he'd got it. All his family were in the game,too. Bobby is still getting about but is a light of other days, sadly.
Allpoints, remind me, what exactly was the 'Hexham Fiasco' you speak of? |
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stodd ...if i may slip in here i think it was to do with the shutting of the silver ring and refusing the books who bet there allocated pitches in tatts ..something to do with northern bpa and a certain leader at the time methinks
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one more thing matey ..when was the last time ya saw bobby hill thanks in advance dd
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stodd
daves more or less given you the outline of what happened,if you come and see me when I'm stood up somewhere I'll explain it to you.I'm not putting it up on here. Did you ever know Sugar? One thing about Sug,if you were in his company & he knew he couldn't take the urine out of you you would always have a laugh.A classic was when a well known Northern workman was putting him up for nowt(he was skint again as usual)& the tax inspector checked his books.Ask me to finish telling you the end of that one as well or the night Cluney put us up & the moaning because there was nowhere to hang the suit.The night another Northern Bookie broke his bed,or when A Bookmaker was putting him up & he started on about a touchy subject. The man could cause trouble without trying where ever he went. |
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lol@ tony hahahahah !!! hope alnwick was good to ya mate night night dd
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does anyone recall a bookmaker (sp) traded under
THE NEW SERVICE? i think they originated from the cheltenham area. the founder of the business ended doing time for fraud. his name escapes me. can someone ring a bell and rekindle my memory regarding a name..... |
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u-Sid & Tom Unthank-South Cleveland-Point to point Bookmakers mainly on the Yorkshire circuit.
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I'm surprised 'The Farmer' hasn't been mentioned!
Is he still alive? |
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H is for HIGH RISE a very big corporate company from the saaf, did theyre complete orchestras in..
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I agree with someone earlier that this thread has been a really enjoyable read. Maybe I'm getting a bit long in the tooth but these memory and memorial threads have a certain warmth about them and tend to bring out the best from forumites and prove that although people can be very competitive when 'in action' at the end of the day there's a kind of fondness between bookies and punters. I suppose it's because we all need each other.
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Anyone remember Jack Warner,think from doncaster he had pitches all over the north & some of the midlands tracks.Not seen him for years, think his 2 sons worked for him.
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Jack Warner ( Bertie King ) has had health problems but is ok at the moment and comes racing on the odd occasion. His son, Paul, worked for Leslie Steele until he retired, but still works now and then for ( I think ) Ribero. Nice family.
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Artie Woods(surname may have been Crow)Stockton.
Yet another character of the Northern rings.Still chasing the birds in his seventies & I suppose eighties.I haven't a clue how old Artie was when he died but he was always full of fun & up for a laugh.If there was a dance on down the club where he lived the Crow was certain to be there.There wasn't a girl over sixty safe when he was about.Once again Happy Days,we'll never see the likes of these fellas again in the betting rings. |
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Bob Jacobs, Joe Large, Peter Hoff, Paul Beard, Johnny Quigley.
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Charlie Somers
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Hang on. We haven't finished the A's yet.
Frank Angliss, though I don't think Angliss ever stood on his pitch. The story I heard was that he owned a betting shop in Dorset, and when he died, another bookmaker used the name on the bookmaker's licence to get pitches for himself. Can anyone confirm the story? And Avalon Racing, which started this thread: Eddie Baxter was a real one-off. He was an antiquarian bookseller in Bath, who stood at all the West Country tracks, where he was always the first to price up in Tatts. He stuck to his own tissue, so was always faced with a crowd of shrewdies waiting for the inevitable rick. There'd be a sudden surge forward and yells of " a fousan' t' sixty", "five t' firty each way" etc. "You've got a hundred pounds to six. You've got fifty to three each way. Fifty to three each way, down to 'Salisbury'" (Every one of his punters had a Baxter pseudonym, which rarely had any connection with the punter in question.) So the job horse had been identified for the rest of the ring, and the shrewdies had ruined the price. I'm not sure how he made the book pay, as he also went each way every race, but he had an ace workman in Ashley to pick up the pieces. When Baxter finally fell ill and started missing meetings, the question arose of what would happen to the pitches, as this was before they became tradable. John Stubbs, the SP returner, suggested Baxter should adopt Ashley, but in the end he sadly passed on, and a corner of West Country racing disappeared for ever. |
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The Hexham fiasco.When the Silver Ring closed a number of bookmakers thought that they were entitled to obtain pitches in Tatts.However the NAB rules did not entitle them to get a pitch.Of the six bookmakers involved five of them withdrew their claim but one who had a business outside bookmaking decided to continue since for some reason he obtained legal aid.This was an NAB case not an NBPA issue.It proved impossible for the Association to get the issue to Court but having incurred legal expenses in the region of £100,000 a Court date was eventually arranged.The NAB,s lawyer pointd out that it was inconceivable that the case would be lost but that it would cost a further £20,000 to win without any chance of obtaining costs.As a consequence the Association decided to cut its losses and settled the issue by awarding the bookmaker in question a nominal sum.One serious issue arising out of this was the five bookmakers who had withdrawn initially had for legal reasons that I cannot remember were caught up in the process although they had withdrawn and had to meet some costs for the lawyers acting the legal aid bookmaker.This appeared to be unjust so the NBPA reimbursed these bookmakers.This case clearly highlighted the weakness of the legal aid system in some situations.
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ELEPHANT MAN .suprised u consider Paul The Beard to have been a bookmaker .however,what a fantastic character.he now lives in Gozo,Malta i believe
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THERE SHOULD BE A CORRESPONDING THREAD REGARDING PEOPLE THAT ARE OR WERE IMPERSONATING BOOKMAKERS,HERES SOME TO BE GOING ON WITH,CHRIS SQUIRE,JAMES TENNANT,GLYNN JONES,SANDY,DON BUTTLER,PICKWICK,DON BERROW,GUS OPPENHEIM,B LUCKY,ALAN MONTGOMARY,HERES JUST A FEW TO BE GOING ON WITH.
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Barnie, Paul was a brilliant bookmaker, so good he would have a fire out the back of his shop after racing and burn most of the days slips.
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WHAT ABOUT THE NORTHERN FELLA "CLIFF" LITTLE FELLA WITH A BALD HEAD AND A FLAT CAP PROPER NORTHERNER HIS MISSUS USED TO SIT CLARKING ON TRHE BOX WITH HER BRISTOLS HANGING OUT
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J.B. HOUGH BERNARD AND HIS SON CHRIS THEY USED TO BET ROYAL ASCOT RAILS THE MONEY FINDER HAD DONE TIME FOR MURDER .VERY QUIET FELLA (THE MURDERER) SEEMED A NICE FELLA
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