Seriously, does anbody actually win on here?

I win more than i lose, i bet in running a lot more now and i make a profit. I dont bet big but i bet to a level stake and i have found this is the only way to make it pay.

YES. Betfair does. I tracked my losses over a year and would have been up a good few quid had it not been for the commissions

How anyone wins on Horseracing or Tennis i don't know . I will doff my cap to you winners in advance


Football is my chosen sport for betting , and that's better for finding your way ,and excellent if you like stategic betting  .
  You simply have more time to ponder your next move  (in play over 92 minutes) , Suspending allows you to bet safely without being hoovered up by the fast pic lads , plus there's a less likelihood  of an  'odd outcome'
[;)]

Stay lucky and wise .

Im £ 20, 391 up but it has took 9 years !![smiley:crazy]

The games definietely harder now than it was years ago.

It cannot be done.

With the likes of ATR and RUK i think you have now got a chance of holding your own. With video replays and Free (Time Form) with ATR the racing post rateings, i say know more.

you used to be able to make a decent living by posting how much you one on the now defunct thread "how much you one/lossed today" by the now equally defunct Tim_UK squirell in the olde days but alas no more !

no

plenty do...they tend to be the quiet ones imo

I do. And I`m generally quiet too.

But not today i see thesundanceyid.

I`m not quiet today, and I`m not winning yet either!

Well get your head down and good luck

I remember SDK what used to post in the chit-chat forum but I haven't been in that forum for years !

Why thankyou, tracksuitdave. Not easy today with this pictures mess though.

Yes thes, in the next at taunton if lake takes to the big ones it could be a bet in running imo

before ruk and atr,it was worthwhile making the effort to go racing as this could give you a major edge over people just sitting in betting shops.
now with the advent of the internet and acsess to every race from you armchair,it is more dificult!

That is why people on here do there money, you dont have to bet in every, thats for mugs. With the video replays you have a chance of finding one that the punter in the shop could have missed.

Since 2000guineas day in May where i bet Rip Van W @1.6 in the anti post place market and LAID Canford Cliffs in same race i have not had a winning week? is this a record
gone from £11000 PLUS to a loss of £1200

Change name to Patsygone.

May be your password is unlucky?

kohake
as they say been doing the same thing as i have whilst winning over last 20years except winning

that seems most odd patsyone...dont think the game's changed that much in 6 months

Something must have subtly changed,apart from B/L the wrong ones.

Patsyone, if you dont mind me asking do you go on tilt ?

im winning 170k inthe last 6 months in the last 10 years im 500k behind   sore  but true

Nice one coke.ed. Forget what you have lost and keep thinking Win Win Win

OK, guys.
Ask yourself whether, 1) If backing on athletics or swimming, would you take into account the speeds achieved by the athletes/swimmers in the past.
Now ask yourself 2) do you do the same with horses.


If your answers are 1) Yes and 2) No then you ought to lay slow horses when they are favourites for their races. Bingo.
The majority of horses that have run slowly in the past do not improve on their figures, unless they have been put aside to win a handicap . . . so if Stoute, Gosden, Wigham etc have a favourite with a set of slow time figures ignore that handicap.

Very good call tilted, i like your thinking.

I thought most punters would have taken that into account,apparently not.

Times tell all, well 99% of the time.

From    to    Period        Average Profit   
        09/05/2009    11/11/2010    551    DAYS    £5.50   
                79    WEEKS    £38.47   
                20    Months    £153.88   
                           
Type    Stakes    Total Bets    Winners    % win    Net Profit    Average Odds    Cash%
Win    £10,044.41    568    195    34.33%    £2,387.82    3.74    23.77%
Place    £13,788.18    536    376    70.15%    640.36     1.57     4.64%
    £23,832.59                £3,028.18       
                           
                Gross Profit    £3,739.32       
                Commision Paid    £711.14    19.02%   
                Net Profit    £3,028.18

Not sure how this excel spreadsheet will come out but I started keeping detailed records back in May09. Prior to that date I spent 3 years recovering losses made in the 2 years previous. The losses were always down to loss of discipline - you can't teach discipline, it's an individual thing. I can now go days without a bet if I cant find a race that matches my criteria for a bet. Also I am not now obsessed by figure in the top right hand corner, it's the long term that counts.

have been on here since sept 2006 , was -£1800 until start of last year but now +£4500 , not too bad , make about £60-£80 on my days off from work

What turned it around, Dave?

gruss , went too a local trading room , tried in running but wasnt for me , after using it for so long and watching different things , i managed to turn it around , im no huge punter and the turn around wasnt from 1 win , i trade pre race and try to make £4-£6 a race sometimes you can make more sometimes you cant,occasionally i play in play, with a tick offset of 6-7 ticks just to try and take whats above me , sometimes you can get lucky ,put  a lay in the other day on some irish horse at 2.2 for £10 and the offset was matched at 28 , next click was a green up for £128, id love to higher my stakes as i only do £10/£20 per click but it wouldnt work , nevermind im more than happy with what im doing , gl

its getting tougher to make money but my question is:

like a rich spoiled kid that always had everything easy now that times are harder he will surely have a harder time adapting instead of those that never knew any better than the current harder situation

i mean the logic is, you start hard and then it becomes easier, not you start easy and then it becomes even easier

just a thought

Cheers Dave. Good to be ahead of the game.

Every pound these days has to be won , no easy dough, they went years ago, tho a few days like yesterday at taunton wouldnt go amis..

there are a lot of spoiled "kids" here although i would imagine a lot more are gone

easier to nick the shop safe.

Rico not much in them these days just booked  lunch for a pal of yours  in a nice gaff in Darlo  over Xmas looking forward to the stories about the podium.
Hope you are well.Ronnie

roo • November 12, 2010 9:33 AM GMT
Every pound these days has to be won , no easy dough, they went years ago, tho a few days like yesterday at taunton wouldnt go amis..

15-year struggle continues, still winning?

Every pound these days has to be won

every pound is a war...

looks like im finished end of the year ronnie..gona have to pop down and see you.

roo • November 12, 2010 9:33 AM GMT
Every pound these days has to be won

ev pound is a wat these daze.

looks like im finished end of 2025 Ronnie,will pop down see you.

roo • November 12, 2010 9:33 AM GMT
Every pound these days has to be won

ev pound is a wat these daze.

looks like im finished end of 2025 Ronnie,will pop down see you.

Whales ate the sharks who ate the minnows.
Nobody left to eat now

Rico .
Will take you out for lunch in Darlo.
Ronnie.

uptheirons, still plenty of plankton about judging by this place.

Ronnie, I'm visiting family in bishop Auckland and shildon in a few weeks. Staying in darlo. Any decent takeaways or restaurants? From memory bishop and shildon severely lacking.

ThePomp

if you like an Indian Bombay gate and babuls are top notch but top price, imperial express is a decent place for breakfast lunch and supper we go there quite often. Darlington townhouse has a restaurant called saltfish that's good, if you just want a drink 22 and hash are good also they are just round the corner from babuls. the Hideaway is nice if you just want a pint and a pizza, not any good Chinese but there is a Thai called Taipan Asia also a nice tapas bar on Bondgate The Old Yard Tapas Bar, hope this helps.

More than helpful, thanks for taking the time to reply. Cheers Ronnie.

if you're a winner paudy, by virtue of having access to all bets, can see how you're doing it.

and he only wants one winner on ere, him.

so it's going to get tough for you.

when this place was invented it wasn't run by a bookmaker.  so this ^^ wasn't an issue. 

evening Rico

so if you're consistently winning on, lets say for example, photo finishes.  well .... they're going to take slightly longer to re-open.  and when they do re-open, 'someone' will already have 21 grand up looking to get on the one that's clearly won. 

Black and Wray .. not bothered.  paudy .... bothered.

It

Can't

Be

Done

aye np ronnie i'll be in touch thanks.

there simply is nothing wotsoever to exploit..to win over £10 ewe have to gamble mid race.

if you put a "real money" back in mid-race at, say, 8.6   

the price will drift to 8.4, but you won't get a bean matched until it's clearly beat. at which point it will go 8.6, 300, 1000.

Nobody wants to take a view Hulk.
They want to pick it up off the floor.
Those days are well and truly gone

you cant even trade now hulk...lay a horse £200 pre at 4/1...goes to 7, click close all positions you will get £4 done and the other £175 goes to the front of the que...the rest will be matched when it looks nearer a 12's chance

lay a horse £200 pre at 5.0... horse goes to 4.9, then 4.8

cos paudy knows if it goes 5.1 you win.  and his bot no likey winna's.

try it tomorrow and report back.  you might be surprised

i laid horses recently for £50 to trade...had to click close all positions 7 times to trade out.

That demonstrates the paucity of "actual" money I/R,Rico.

i once saw something on here that was very odd. 

only once but i distinctly remember it. 

the figures on the screen changed from quite large amounts, to £4 here, £20 there, £5 there.  it then changed back to the larger figures, in an instant.  can't really explain it, other than one screen, the one with the small amounts, was real money.  and the other included house bot money.  of course, i'm completely unreliable and talk a load of nonsense, so carry on everyone.

silly sausages......

Any losing days this month,DixE?

yes  but never EVER  a losing month

Nov 12, 2025 -- 9:34PM, hulk23 wrote:

i once saw something on here that was very odd.

And again.. There is no doubt that they are filling all the boxes themselves and have virtually killed off anyone wanting a bet or lay at a fair price. Also I have no doubt that like the stock market and old time racing they are running false gambles and spoofs.

That seems par for the Course nowdays,DixE

filling all the boxes themselves

£108 ??

If you wait for something to happen in-running and then click you will struggle, but if you can read a race and compare horses against each other and see the value before the prices start to get volatile then you can still make great money from the markets.
I show you exactly how to do this in my hundreds of video,s trading live. So don't listen to the old has beans of the game who are getting crushed and instead study Mr Dynimite TT telegram group to make easy profit !

dixy on 3 days weeks yit?

unless its a very short price and in the 1st half of a race dixi must be playing on a different exchange as i struggle to see a tenner in any box...

but fair play to lad,finds a money making niche and sells the technique.

im assuming his many diciples are all also bagging up by the month?

Will make 90k plus easy each year, taking time off and trading half days when I do, due to the expert fee rules there is no incentive to make more. If you don’t believe that is my lifestyle then it’s not my concern. My time will end in the future just like your time has ended pretty much now.   But I try to help people who have a passion for the game totally for free and there is many entry and exit point during a race and the liquidity of new players is needed.

“Easy profit”?  Give it a rest.

DixiEnormus
Will make 90k plus easy each year, taking time off and trading half days when I do, due to the expert fee rules there is no incentive to make more.


win 2k ev week on 20% = £1600 net
win 4k ev week on 40% = £2400 net

never understood your analogy dixi..but each to their own.

Yes loyalhoncho. I really do find it easy to make profit from the markets, but I been doing it for 18 years and know how to avoid the traps of in-running… it’s all explained on my telegram channel

You cannot teach people to read a race DixE.
That is an absolute fact

There is well over 300 videos showing what to look for in regards to reading a race and comparing the action of the horses legs against each other, combined with the form it’s easy to do.

I stand by my statement.
Naturally,you have a different agenda

You learn how to read a race.  I play the match markets and in the races where I lose I regularly know very early in the race that mine is beat.  Wish you could play those markets in running.

ewe can on b356

Its not easy alright but if you do not have silly over-rides and rigidly stick to your pre-set boxes in can be done but you have to accept missing some that are just under or over

I have 28 boxes from 1.01 to 5(!) and that is because if you lay any bigger the money simply will not be there to bail if is going against you

Different boxes in the plaIce with liability and fixed boxes but primarily useful at the start

A rare advantage is the lack of liquidity means some prices you never see are matched and you immediately think youve got the wrong one, but no, someitmes the gaps arer so big they boomerang up and down

eg, and this is outrageous after-timing- I got one at Dunsalk yesterday at 250. Never even looked at prices as I know its miles behind but it wasnt going too bad and trainer is hot atm and gave it a good word prior(Stephen Thorne)

A relative novice would be a lamb to the slaughter betting I/R on horse racing.
Of course,it can be learned but takes time and considerable funds during your apprenticeship

I have limited funds and my apprenticeship is a month old and ok so far

Prince Andrew doesn't sweat either,busytool

not wanting to tell anyone what to do BusyFool, but 28 is an awful lot of boxes imo

.... Evri struggle with one.

Is it?

Couldn't get any more in. 1.1 1.2 1.3.... 

soon mounts up

GC

irons.  12.06.  Drole!

Approx 37 K down since i joined....2002....Apart from the money which hurts ,its the time ive spent on here that i will never get back that feels wasted...The countless times its back to the drawing board and lack of discipline that have proved costly ...Also self excluded for a year ,but its funny how many winners you pick when the monies not down and you can't bet....!! Next year IS going to be my year btw.....

That equates to £31 per week.
Not so bad,really.

Smoke just twenty a day and you’ll blow £90 per week ?,  stopped thirty years ago btw.  One of my better life decisions.

Compounded interest rate since 2002 @ 7.04 per cent average x £31 a week.....Comes in at £80,074 .....:(

Just rechecked and the average rate since 2002 is 2.3 per cent in this country....Only ££44,504.37 .... So not so bad ...