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Report marty44 August 28, 2010 5:14 AM BST
Not sure if it would be financially and emotionally worth your while but timing an autobiography for the Christmas market at some point would be a good seller,maybe even great.I would certainly buy one as I find there is a real lack of reading material from authors that I feel are part of the fabric of this way of life.
Also does anyone know where I could buy Inside the mind of a professional by Russel Clarke(not on amazon or ebay) and any other recommendations for keeping the head straight type books?
Report educator August 28, 2010 6:04 AM BST
dont know if its still available via the website but thats where i bought my copy "inside the mind of a professional"i enjoyed it and still have it but the only criticism being its more like a binder and not a book, plain A4 with gloss front and rear held together by a slide down sleeve, a bit shabby for £15 but as said a good read
Report Muqbil August 28, 2010 7:22 AM BST
every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.

Timeless.

Those words should be automatically posted by Betfair every time another thread asking "How much can I make per week with a bank of £xxxx pounds" is started!
Report oldandwise August 28, 2010 9:10 AM BST
Alan, it is clear that although Beyer was undoubtedly right about the viewpoint of society as a whole, you personally have the blessing of the honourable society of punters... But the million dollar question is: Are you still managing to make it pay? The honourable members very much hope the answer is yes. All the best,
Report mokegibboni August 28, 2010 10:36 AM BST
I would just like to mention on here Alan's first class commentary on his premium rate tipping service following Frankie Dettori's magic 7 winners at Ascot back in September 1996. I was so impressed with Alan's commentary the day following Frankie's 7 wins that I decided to record his commentary for posterity as it was so superb and summed up everyone's feelings about the whole occasion!

Sadly, the tape came to an end before Alan's commentary had finished, so I only managed to record about 2/3rds of the 'speech'. That's something I will always remember. It cost me a few quid to listen to it a couple of times, but it was really well worth it!
Report annie. August 28, 2010 12:32 PM BST
Come on alan, we all want an autobiography, warts and all.  What most autobiographies miss is the real feelings of people.  I understand, due to libel laws, that you cannot say what you want some of the time, but I would like your views on your personal life etc and how horseracing has changed it.  What I liked about your books was your honesty, you did not make out to make squillions betting.

As I said before I think you can do print to order, even on amazon.  Look it up.  PLEASE
Report know all August 28, 2010 6:58 PM BST
russel clarke, last i heard about 15 years ago was he went abroad, spain? as a salesman?, i still have a letter off russ asking about my methods and i wrote him a few pages back, 6 months later he was up and running and went about publishing articles and books on his own methods, i think he loved horseracing and got his foot in the door that way but i seem to remember he was a nice chap.

you still cant beat the form book and ratings, so many stats that also make it easier. i still use my methods very well on 2-3 and 4 year old, improving horses only.

lots on here have forgotten, to make it pay you need winners, lots of hard work, you make far less laying and even less trading.
Report marty44 August 29, 2010 12:59 AM BST
his website seems to be gone so if anyone wants to sell his book or a copy of it..
also found this article from smartsig.Seems a fairly up to date interview. Sometimes has up to 3 figure bets on a football game nowadays!
Report marty44 August 29, 2010 1:08 AM BST
http://www.progambler.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=390
Report marty44 August 29, 2010 1:08 AM BST
http://www.progambler.co.uk/index.php?


option=com_content&task=view&id=390
Report marty44 August 29, 2010 8:39 AM BST
*that should have read 3 figure number of bets on a football game
Report Facts August 29, 2010 8:42 AM BST
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every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.

Timeless.

Those words should be automatically posted by Betfair every time another thread asking "How much can I make per week with a bank of £xxxx pounds" is started! 




Would be pointless. imo.

The idiots that post such threads, couldn't/wouldn't read it:-

a) too long and
b) contains too many words they don't understand
Report perception August 29, 2010 12:01 PM BST
"...every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity".

This really sums up why I'm so drawn to racing and betting! It's a love-hate relationship all the way. But even when I hate it, I still love it, but I never hate loving it! [smiley:crazy]
Report annie. August 29, 2010 12:04 PM BST
it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.

I would suggest that society does not view horseracing as 'utter frivolity' but as a seedy hobby only pursued  by stupid people.

I went to grammar school and university , but throughout my life my family, friends  and boyfriends, except the glorious few who have shared my interest,  have, I think, thought less of me for betting on horses  Sad   They seem to think that I must be stupid to bet, seeing as they see it as a 'mugs game'.  They do not see the intellectual challenge it brings.

The only time one of my brothers was  shaken from his belief was when I told him about the chartered surveyor who had won over £800,000 on the racing post's  ten to follow competitions.  My brother is a chartered surveyor and a fellow of RICS.

Racing for change should perhaps focus more on changing the perception of  the general public concerning horseracing.
Report postmannick August 29, 2010 12:05 PM BST
i was once told that the best feeling in the world is backing a winner and the 2nd best feeling in the worl is backing a loser ...........
Report educator August 29, 2010 12:18 PM BST
Do you go into betting shops very often Annie ? if so whats the reaction of punters towards you ? if there are any left in your local betting office that is ....
Report TELL DEL August 29, 2010 12:26 PM BST
"........ focus more on changing the perception of  the general public concerning horseracing."

think the perception is people who gamble are some sort of idiots,
although horse racing can be a game of skill rather than pure chance,
it is still gambling, although TV coverage does a lot to get over the glamorous image,
but typical of the attitude that exists the poor bloke in the betting shop
is still seen as some idiot low-life.
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 12:27 PM BST
Gambling is a mug's game, FACT.
Report educator August 29, 2010 12:34 PM BST
you could say the same about horse racing ownership seeing as the majority of owners lose money

infact take football club ownership, now thats a mugs game of the highest order
Report annie. August 29, 2010 12:54 PM BST
educator

I have hardly had a bet in a betting shop since I started on betfair.  However, most of my betting life has been spent in betting shops and for all that time I have wished I was a man in one.  As you say, now they are deserted, but I remember when they used to be packed and you could have a good crack with the other punters.  But I did have  problems being a woman among men.
Report cunningplan August 29, 2010 1:02 PM BST
if alan wants to write another book i can get all the elements sorted for him, have it ghost written, proofed, published etc so no need to put too much time into it, no need to put any money up front either, genuine offer if interested ill send my contact details
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 1:08 PM BST
sounds like a cunning plan !
Report DaveEdwards August 29, 2010 1:10 PM BST
Annie, to be honest I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of changing the perception of people about betting.

It's ok to have a go on the Grand National, but apart from that if you show any kind of interest then the average non-betting person is likely to assume all kinds of things about you. Those assumptions are never normally favourable.
Report educator August 29, 2010 1:11 PM BST
Annie
first  thoughts were lesbian and thats not meant as an insult as you are clearly not that based on the other comments you have posted, its just me admitting that even i have a prejudiced attitude which i can assure you is out of character for me. i wouldn't have the same attitude towards a female member of staff but my image of a female punter is one of "going out with an heroine addict" or as stated previously.
I guess this is born out of an old school attitude and a self admittance that betting is for mugs and not for  the more intelligent and fairer species, very chauvinistic but i am sure  you understand i am not really like that. Never met an intellectual female punter that has a decent amount of knowledge about betting.
Maybe you should write a book, "surviving in a mans world", tell a few stories of your betting shop experiences, throw in a few systems and strategies, your time on the forum, the prejudice shown to you even by your family, would be a best seller, oh just one thing needed to promote it, you need to land the scoop 6 , good luck with that Grin
Report Mister E August 29, 2010 1:29 PM BST
Brilliant thread.

Re PVs book I found it a good read.

Re writing books in general; no money in it unless you want to write sensationalised topical stuff.

The reward comes from the people who readit and give you good feedback.

If you get tempted Alan, I found Blackwells good, (minimum run 100),
like you found the big book companies want to screw you into the ground; as bad as big betting chains.[;)]
Report annie. August 29, 2010 1:48 PM BST
My god, educator, you have made me feel even worse about going into a bookies if that is what men think  Sad

You say the image of a female punter is that of a girlfriend to a heroin addict or 'as stated previously' - what was stated previously?
Report cardifffc August 29, 2010 1:53 PM BST
annie....are you a winning or losing punter in you time on betfair??
Report annie. August 29, 2010 1:59 PM BST
Losing  Sad
Report cardifffc August 29, 2010 2:02 PM BST
annie........backer or layer..........
Report educator August 29, 2010 2:26 PM BST
As stated previously was lesbian

please don't take offence, personality can easily overcome this and no doubt you have one, the heroine addict image comes from the young girls sat next to th heroine addicts playing  the Fobt's in a shop i no longer go in, for that reason
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 2:37 PM BST
I don't like the sound of your local bookies [smiley:crazy]
Report annie. August 29, 2010 3:43 PM BST
I am not a lesbian, I would like to make that clear  Happy
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 3:45 PM BST
Sad
Report Stow_judge August 29, 2010 3:49 PM BST
Laugh
Report ajtd August 29, 2010 4:12 PM BST
This is a great thread thanks to Mr Potts.

I have both his books and read them, along with "Betting for a living" by Nick Mordin and "100 hints for better betting" by Mark Coton every year without fail.  All 4 books have taught me to be disciplined, calm and to avoid being greedy.  Thanks to those books I strike about 150 bets a year maximum and (so far) end up in profit every year, compared to the time when I just made it up as I went along and lost every year without fail, like just another mug.

If I could pick out 1 piece of advice from Alan's books it is the phrase "what is your angle?"..."if you have no angle into the race then why are you betting in it?"

Thank you Mr Potts
Report sandgirl August 29, 2010 5:03 PM BST
ex local bookies, i vacated it not long after the fobt crew took over

i knew that Annie and already stated that
Report homeguard2009 August 29, 2010 5:12 PM BST
great thread
  suggestion for horse racing newcomers
"Braddocks complete guide to horse race selection and betting"
perhaps a bit old fashioned but in my view it is sound
Report annie. August 29, 2010 5:36 PM BST
sandgirl, you knew me? - I don't think so Happy
Report annie. August 29, 2010 5:37 PM BST
Reading this thread has reminded me of a quandary. 

I have often thought what would happen to my collection of hundreds of racing books, should I die.  I have no intention of dying anytime soon, but the waste if they are just thrown away would be annoying.  Any suggestions?
Report Brian August 29, 2010 5:47 PM BST
Take them with you, just incase.
Report annie. August 29, 2010 6:08 PM BST
Happy
Report the lay preacher August 29, 2010 6:28 PM BST
ajtd that is the exact line i have always remembered from that book.
it should be imbedded into every punters brain.

                 WHAT IS YOUR ANGLE.
Report abbott August 29, 2010 7:27 PM BST
Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.
Report Sherlocks Lovechild (BB) August 29, 2010 7:53 PM BST
great thread - I hope you have taken heed about the advice re the royalties from the kindle format - intellectual copyright and all that.
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 7:54 PM BST
Good to see you back again Sherlock !
Report Sherlocks Lovechild (BB) August 29, 2010 8:06 PM BST
are you fractured foxy from a couple of years back ? ie cheltenham etc
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 8:09 PM BST
No, I used to be one of the top ten forumites a few years back [smiley:crazy]
Report Sherlocks Lovechild (BB) August 29, 2010 8:10 PM BST
there used to be a foxxy whom I met along with Jimnast in real life -wheres Jimnast and limerick mick ?
Report foxy top August 29, 2010 8:16 PM BST
Limerick has turned out to be a rogue and legged it from the scene,

foxy was jimnast's other username (wife) imo [smiley:crazy]
Report eachwaybilly August 29, 2010 11:06 PM BST
Hi Alan

I,v got about 150 books in my horse racing collection and I would put your 2 in my top 5. They are excellent. If somebody told you 10 years ago that betting shops would offer tax free betting and guaranteed prices and also that there would soon be a betting medium where you could bet on horse racing with no margin against you except 2% - 5% commission I'm sure you would have said they were living in dreamland. You're right, things have changed!
Report yeahyeahwhatever August 30, 2010 2:04 AM BST
I always thought I would have the line Melior morior bellator, quam ago profugus. (Better to die fighting than live fleeing or better to die on your feet than to live on your knees) on my gravestone, but that has now been surpassed....

every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.

True, I may need a larger headstone, but we should all leave something for future generations.

C'mon BF, put that text on your homepage and inspire us all to greater things!
Report marty44 August 30, 2010 5:21 AM BST
I,v got about 150 books in my horse racing collection and I would put your 2 in my top 5.

Whats your other three billy?
Report Glengarry Glen Ross August 30, 2010 6:37 AM BST
the lay preacher     29 Aug 10 18:28 
ajtd that is the exact line i have always remembered from that book.
it should be imbedded into every punters brain.

                WHAT IS YOUR ANGLE.

Great thread this, when you find your Angle, keep it to yourself.
Report cueno August 30, 2010 6:42 AM BST
the anorack, i fully believe you when you say how they cheated you out of your royalties & then are allowed to go bust & then buy it back for peanuts & carry on selling it. Its disgusting & how the law can allow that to happen is beyond me. It doesnt take a genius to see its corrupt & cheating at its highest level & gives out the message that you dont have to be honest. I thought as an englishman our law was above that, but boy how wrong i am. Good luck in the future mate & all other betfair users.
Report sttopnala August 30, 2010 2:35 PM BST
sorry about the name it seemed appropriate at the time
Report Ramruma August 30, 2010 3:11 PM BST
Glengarry GR, I take your point about keeping your angle quiet but I think too much can be made of it.

It might depend on what your angle is. I fancy myself as a paddock judge, and sharing that information is unlikely to hurt my edge, though I concede it might be different if someone announced that Henry Cecil sports a blue handkerchief in his top pocket whenever he really fancies one.

Every week, James Pyman in the Post and Nick Mordin in the Weekender give away winning angles, and the world has not come to an end.

I believe we all benefit from a wider discussion of rational approaches to horseracing, rather than random gambling or "it's all bent".
Report loper August 30, 2010 4:16 PM BST
Every week, James Pyman in the Post and Nick Mordin in the Weekender give away winning angles, and the world has not come to an end.

Shocked
Report Mordin. August 31, 2010 3:49 PM BST
Great thread
Report GEORGE.B March 9, 2011 10:40 AM GMT
ttt
Report timeless March 9, 2011 10:47 AM GMT
stalky, natch.
Report sugarfoot March 9, 2011 11:40 AM GMT
I am suprised to see people talking via computer about someone producing 20,000 hard copies of an updated niche market book.  especially if the author is looking at 12% of the selling price as revenue.  why not be bold and produce a downloadable book that could sell at a fraction of the price?  you know the target audience, so there's no great need for marketing beyond an interview on RUK or ATR and the odd forum message to say the book is available.  plus you can edit or update sections from time to time as you see fit.
Report postmannick March 9, 2011 1:07 PM GMT
i have just read this thread from start to finish and it has restored my faith in the forum so thank you mr potts i will now try to get hold of your books take care and be lucky
Report duncan idaho March 9, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
Sugarfoot, it costs a fortune in ink to print out those downloadable books....no way i'd ever read one on the computer (part. after spending all day watching racing etc)
Report ZEALOT October 16, 2011 11:57 PM BST
A very nice read .
Report Bristol Rover October 17, 2011 12:17 AM BST
This is an absolute phising scam.    He was rubbish, and got worse.

Bookmakers retired on his proceeds to them.   There was no such person, he was the 1980 version of "A Bloody good bet"etc.
Report know all October 17, 2011 1:31 AM BST
abbot,Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.

a womens only tipping service great idea, it will work just like the womens only gyms, someone should call themselves "big tips" and a strapline like "come and grab my grab my big tips" you will need to put on a womens voice and the dressing up will be optional
Report rev ike October 17, 2011 3:43 PM BST
v good thread- i really liked the books ,helped me a lot-all the best AP
Report Dr Gonzo October 17, 2011 4:17 PM BST
Also just read through this from start to finish. Shows how good this forum can be when the morons give it a rest.

I have an old second hand copy of Alan's book, but would definitely buy a new version if it was published, either hard copy or kindle. A great read.

All the best Alan
Report sean rua October 17, 2011 4:31 PM BST
AP = topman and great writer.
A decent guy and a successful punter, which is something of a rarity in the horseracing game, imo.
Report CheltenhamRoar November 14, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
Plain
Report xmoneyx November 14, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
chitty chitty bang bang?
Report CheltenhamRoar November 14, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
We love you
Report windsor_boy November 14, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
Dr Gonzo      
Also just read through this from start to finish.
- he has a busy, fulfilling life.
Report xmoneyx November 14, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
if you only bet tipsters---why read the book?Tongue Out
Report poorpup November 14, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
koikeeper • November 14, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
I believe you "stalked " your wife before you were married?
as stated by you martyn, you got a job at a school where she worked to be near her...ended up marrying , then divorced a year later..Sad..seems she couldnt compete with all these tipsters you keep thanking.
Report windsor_boy November 14, 2013 2:41 PM GMT
stalker alert
Report parispike November 9, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
ttt
Report holywell November 9, 2014 8:27 PM GMT
A great read, a pity more racing personalities don't post on the forum, although I can understand why they don't.

TheAnorak posted on a thread yesterday regarding the ground at Wincanton.
Report Facts November 10, 2014 9:32 AM GMT
Whippin Piccadilly     25 Aug 10 15:55 
The book Against The Crowd & Clive Holt's book Winners Back Winners For me, are the best 2 books on the subject of betting on horse racing. The ratings formula in the latter book is very helpful for newcomers to the game, but its some of the other information, that at the time of reading didn't make much sense, but I now know it was, and still is, worth it's weight in gold. Those 2 books and along with learning from my own mistakes (the best way to learn in my opinion as there is only so much to be gleaned from books) and my own personal experiences have shaped my betting to a fairly successful degree.


Agree ,re above . Another one I'd add is Stewart Simspson's  ' Always Back Winners ' . Contains sound logical advice, most of which can still be applied today.
Report Johnny_Mustang November 10, 2014 9:37 AM GMT
Why on earth would you need to read a book about this? Successful punting is all about common sense and only a fool would need these kind of things (and they probably shouldn't be gambling in the first place).
Report loper November 10, 2014 10:27 AM GMT
Cant quite agree with that, Johnny.

Learning the art (more importantly the science) of successful punting requires loads of experience and guidance.

From my own point of view being an enthusiastic fan of racing was not enough to turn my punting into profit. After 15 years I finally was able to understand the art of race analysis. Knowing and weighing up the significance of what I had seen with my own eyes.

This still had to be converted into a 'tissue' for each race that I was intending to have a bet in. I did not know at what price my selection was value to back in relation to the strength of the opposition.

For me, reading Braddock's Complete Guide To Horse Race Selection & Betting was a eureka moment of such simplicity that everything then slipped into place.

I have been in Peter Braddock's debt ever since.
Report Shiekh Me Hand November 11, 2014 5:50 PM GMT
Bump.

This thread deserves to be read and re-read.

Great read.
Report barstool November 11, 2014 6:18 PM GMT
Not many of those names still posting which is a shame, but understandable.

As said, an interesting read.

Thank you for re posting.
Report JackQueen January 8, 2017 1:24 PM GMT
Good thread.
Report rekab January 8, 2017 5:25 PM GMT
Hello Alan,

After all the good replies you must be considering doing something... I for one would be very interested in whatever you did.

A couple of very interesting quotes on the thread.
Report Facts January 8, 2017 8:10 PM GMT
Agreed
Report mokegibboni January 8, 2017 8:14 PM GMT
My memory of Mr Potts was his truly wonderful and inspiring commentary on his premium rate tipping service the day after Dettori's 'Magnificent Seven' at Ascot in September 1997. I listened to it and was so impressed with his take on the afternoon's proceedings that I decided to phone the line again but this time record his conversation on my answerphone. It was about a 10 minute speech , but sadly my answerphone recording time was only about 7 minutes, so I missed the last few minutes of the speech. I proceeded to write down his message and to this day, I still have it filed away somewhere.

From that, I bought his two books and found them fascinating reading. All right, it did cost me a few quid for the telephone call, but definitely well worth it to get a transcript of what he said.

Respect to you Alan Potts!
Report OliasOfSunhillow January 9, 2017 11:51 AM GMT
I would agree with Alan that an IT background can have some oberlap with the mentality of punting. Computer programming is about writing code that most off the time is wrong, you refine it and its still wrong. Eventually though in the long run it comes out right, sound familiar ?.

I would also echo the kind words about Alan, he was one of the interviewees for my book, 'The Newmarket Wizards' (shameless plug), but before that I also recall meeting up with him at Towcester races and he was most accommodating and helpful. Glad to hear you are still ticking along Alan.
Report hkr February 14, 2017 1:14 PM GMT
excellent thread...
Report sixtwosix February 14, 2017 1:21 PM GMT
Computer programming is about writing code that most off the time is wrong, you refine it and its still wrong

Not if you are any good it isn't .
Report workrider September 25, 2017 3:29 PM BST
Think I finally got it Alan....Blush
Report foxy September 25, 2017 4:44 PM BST
Sherlock lovechild whilst I doubt you still look on the forum you asked back in 2010 about fractured foxy it was 11 years ago on Saturday she ran her best race when 2nd in a Newmarket nursery on Cambridgeshire day ,she did win 4 races in her career ,she had only one foal called morning mr Norris who did win a race sadly she died not long after giving birth,hope your keeping well .

As already stated by many on here what an enjoyable thread and what a shame that many seldom if ever post anymore.
Report McCoy Carp September 25, 2017 6:26 PM BST
Is he still alive and punting?
Report top2rated September 25, 2017 6:49 PM BST
He still posts on here under the username of The Dufflecoat - think I saw something from him towards the end of last week re. a horse entered but not qualified for a fillie's race at Kempton today.

regards
Ronnie
Report mouse muldoon September 25, 2017 7:17 PM BST
The Parka imo
Report mouse muldoon January 10, 2019 8:45 PM GMT
*meant TheAnorak, sorry.
Report chavman January 10, 2019 8:57 PM GMT
*the Kagoule
Report Burkey1885 January 10, 2019 10:00 PM GMT
Full metal jacket
Report mouse muldoon January 10, 2019 10:02 PM GMT
^ strait jacket
Report Burkey1885 January 10, 2019 10:20 PM GMT
LaughLaugh
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