Optimum racing/Andrew Lowrey

I suggest a phonecall, as to how the said animal won with it's head in chest. There was money from Ireland (Industry) as soon as the prices went up this morning.

That horse was Bang'on today and all the right faces got a seat at the table. Some effort to put your own memebers away, if indeed that was the message, I will have to take your word on that.

Looks dodgy

Incidentally, there has not been a dollar for the one in the last, according to my boys.

There are 3 of us who share the subscription and unless my friend has a very good reason to lie(cant think why we r only 40/60pound punters) then that is what was said on line this mornin Andrew Lowrey has come on this forum to answer his critics b4 lets c if he replies to this thread.

they will just use you then move on to the next one ....a bit like trainers ......his partners brother was on it ,,,,,m holder .......you have every right to tell him what you think of him ...

Ok spen. 'It surprised us, the rain softened ground was against teh main rivals, the money was certainlty not ours' probably your answer there.

I have no axe to grind but I assure you, the right people were on that fellow today, so if that is the case you have royally been put away I'm afraid.

Well the 1 in last is worth an ew bet if it goes 4to1 or bigger thats what he said so we will c

How is your form sleeper? That PCH youngster did the business in grand style at Folkestone, the lads bet it for a good few quid I'm told. Native Khan was well bet earlier by Eddie's gang, did it well looks a fair prospect, sure to improve more.

The right ppl were most certainly on cant c y he just didnt mention it instead of saying that and shooting himself in foot at the end of the day he is just a very average tipster his results over last 18months prove that without vaughan and mugs payin subscriptions he b nowt.

had a good run 3 weeks ago every thing i touched went my way   last week hit the brick wall ....i watched  native k ...just for a moment  i thought the flash little pr1ck   was gonna fook up .....today had 7k on sa in rugby getting 3/and a half ....led by 2 with 2 mins left no offers ....got beat am off away tonight for a week ....have done my brains this week had at least 3 .....1.03 chances beat ...am still breathing  though    nice pch 2yr old next week  and harrys horse 31st at leic ,,,,and no culhane will not be on .........take it easy gl m8

And i bet u in 2months time on the next advert in paper that horse will be used as a 9to4 into 5to4 hacked up join now for 300quid that would b laughable.

,,,,if that the case ....burn his office down  ...hopefully him and that fraud holder will be in it ....won t be long before they start giving you m blake horses

u know much bout holder his advice isnt bad on experience u call him a fraud for some reason

,,,no doubt his advice is good .....but will deffo put you away ,,,his brother in with ...lowry ...holder once had a tipping line and he told everyone ...the wrong one of nicholls ....the other one won ...12/1   into2/1.......was owned by his very good friend who were responsible ,,,,for p j hobbs in the ....sweet senorita race at newton abbot ....holder now head lad with blake

oh i c bit of a double act then thanks for lettin me know i dont expect the game to b played straight but surely if snap off the hand thats been feeding u cant b good with his tipsterin ability

Had the match on sleeper, not ideal. How's the cricket form? That tie cost you last week? saved us we were lumpy Somerset but Tresy could and should have run Christian out.Took Notts on for the crown jewels in the semi and to be fair probably got a tad lucky as if it were not for the d/l, Huss would prob have got them home. Could be some mileage in taking on an over - rated England ODI unit in the forthcoming series, weather and conditions will play a massive part in September mind, the Paki's been corruption free for the entire english summer, remarkable! All the best, m8.

....spen i wish you well ...just imagine if you would have layed that today....i expect reading  between the lines many did ....next step you will be putting on odds to for them tread carefully gl

will do thanks gluck

Andrew we await your reply/explanation.

I have known Andrew for about 5 years, i have never met a more honest or hard working bloke in the racing industry, to think that he would put his clients away is a joke, looking at the bare facts i grant you it does not look good, but why would he wish to put away the very lifeline of his business and income? Nothing wud have given him more pleasure to have put the horse up as a 2pt win bet or similar, but the trainer advised him he was short of fitness, they are not machines and these beautiful creatures can make us look silly, and i suppose thats what be ashored did yday.
By all means read between the lines but Andrew or any of his associates did not have a penny on it yday.

Sleeper......... pls get your facts right, mark holder head lad to michael blake i dont think so, he might advise him on where to place his horses just in the same way nevison does with john best, but he is not his head lad !! he still runs a highly successful and profitable advisory service

the Brighton Mafia obviously isnt tottaly clued up about the Somerset Mafia

Dirk - I thought you were a person who knew quite a bit about where the books money came from. I know two bookmakers based in Jersey who took money for that horse yesterday, substantial money too. They took it because they then knew they could have a good bet for themselves, as is often the case with these particular punters. I happen to know VERY WELL where the money came from, and what you are saying is quite simply untrue. I genuinely think you are being naive if you think he had nothing on it.... Perhaps before you tell people to check the FACTS, you should try to do the same..... Just because someone says they didn't back it, doesn't mean they didn't.... Perhaps HE didn't back it personally, but in this industry it's not rocket science to figure out where it's really coming from. His clients were put away yesterday, it's that simple.

Dharma, i am not going to get into a slanging match with you, i know what i stated is true, regardless of what you think, we shall have to disagree on this one.

The conspiracists theory falls down on the Maths

Why would a guy spend tens of thousands advertising for new clients, spend fortunes forming syndicates amongst members etc, then intentionally mug them all off on one of his own horses?

The net difference in winnings just wouldnt be worth it.

Poor judgement yes ..intentionally putting away his hard fought for  client base? Come on

You do the math

but something doesn't add up.
the betting tells us that the horse was fit and raring to go,andrew says that it was short of a gallop and not his money.

DHARMA
Not many indies in Jersey,i know nearly all of them,are u sure of those facts
jersey track bookie no 4.

kust to confirm noddy is a conman and a useless tipster

red hot, just bcos there was money for the horse it does not mean that the horse was fit n raring to go. Its well known that horses on their first run from this stable improve just look at little shilling and kopylova to name but two, so punters have seen the connection and waded in, this time they got lucky, the horse has made the connections look silly. But roynreanie has it spot on, this is a young bloke (andrew) with a family trying to run a business and make a living, there would be no value in him mugging off his clients on one of his own horses, it makes no sense

I personally dont know the message that andrew give out...i also have no idea what was expected from the horse...What i do know,is andrew would never ever put anyone away...most of all,the people who feed him and his family ie.optimum subscribers...

brett

If people are stupid enough to subscribe to tipsters, they get what they deserve.

Now I await the dearth of "oh some are much better than others" etc, keep dreaming.

it wont interest all,and some will choose not to believe the truth,but these are the facts on the matter as i know them,i have run a profitable advisory service since 1999,and in august 2007 we had our first runner for the optimum racing syndicate city affair ,which was advised as a bet to clients and duly won,we have now had 20 winners in three years from 9 horses,we have made substantial profits on the horses for clients,having advised bets when conditions are right and most importantly the price too.two of these horses little shilling and kopylova were given as maximum bets both won.i take great pleasure in the success of the service and syndicate as many subscribers and shareholders have become close friends,and saturdays fiasco has caused me great upset and embarresment,however i can assure you i havent put anyone away,i sware on my kids life i didn't have a penny on him on saturday,as the trainer who i've known now for 6 or 7 years and i consider to be a good friend told me the horse had missed plenty of work in the time we'd had him and was likely to improve considerably for the run,he was however doing his best as all my horses are but offered no value at all the the prices having missed so much work. why was he backed?well almost every horse in the last 12 months having his first run for the stable is well backed,why to anyone not connected should this be any different.its worth remembering several of my horses have been backed in the past without a penny of my money and have been beat.our second runner on saturay kopylova was backed from 7/2 into 11/4 she wasnt advised as a bet either,i told clients she'd be worth a small interest ew if touhing 4/1 or bigger.as things turned out i had a very small ew bet at 7/2 and a larger bet place only at around 4/5.as for me being put away,i find it very hard to swallow,tims a good mate ,i dont see it,but if anyone can give me proof then all my horses would be away from there in a flash.instead of talking the talk ,walk the walk,put up or shut up give names,not just tall sories,you wont i know ,but if you can then my horses will be gone.believe it or not these are the facts i've never put anyone away in the past,nor will i in the future.the service i run has been one of the most profitable in the country during the last 5 years ,despite a poor run last year,and i'll continue to work hard to hopefully continue the success.i wont be getting involved in any slagging matches on here its not my style,and im at a disadvantage with everyone else using mickey mouse names,however if any client wants to discuss the matter further ,dont put up needless posts on here give me a call,the office number is always available,as i say i wont be replying this will be my only post on the matter regards andrew lowrie  optimum racing

paragraphs would have been good, imo

email sent

Thankyou for your reply Andrew it didnt make any sense for u to put subscribers away as i have stated in earlier post it does however seem like a bad mis judgement on possibly the trainers behalf the money looked and seemed shrewd the horse won very easy admittedly in a poor race.

The horse was backed to the exclusion of anything else!

Lots of reasons why Mark Holder and Andrew Lowry havent returned to their podscast platform since November - they were always useless.