anyone remember these henry cecil horses

Yes Cajun won at Royal Ascot, he was forcast 4/1 cos all the tipsters had gone for something else. Opened 5/4, went 6/4 but only for about twenty seconds. Betting was different in those days, you could dodge around and usually beat the price but Ladbrokes were smashing it and I ended up taking 11/10 after most had finished betting, think it returned 10/11. It won ok but by the time of the Middle Park, Lester was trying to get off it to ride something else. Cecil made him ride it, and Lester made it win and it went off 20/1! But that was as good as he ever was. Brief candle.

Would love Henry to have another truly great 3 year old colt.

this is a great thread, im off tomorrow on 10 days hols, med cruise im trying to let my other half to let me take laptop, anyway keep this thread going and has someone  got a winner for me tomorrow whats this newmarket 6.35, too drunk too read most of this post.

frankel is a cecil horse that is well bred and runs in the 6.35 tomoz at newmarket mate.

Thanks

That was a nice debut..

Elis have a great holiday.say hello to me mate hes going from Southampton on med cruise as well.

I remember Henry having a horse called Wayne Lukas at the same time that D Wayne Lukas apparently had a horse called Henry Cecil. I think both may have raced in Ahmed Salman's Thoroughbred Corporation silks.

cheers for that guiness.
Frankel was given a super debut ride by Queally.

Yep, will have learned plenty from that..

looks good,where next

Great post pub reading this thread. Been a massive fan of the guy since I got into the game mid-80s and it's a disgrace he's not a Sir.

Glad someone mentioned Diminuendo's Yorkshire Oaks - annihilated a G1 winner in Sudden Love, and took a huge chunk off the York 12f course record (3 seconds ?) despite being eased right down in the final furlong. Think it was one of Henry's rare mistakes to run her in the Leger on softening ground afterwards, a Diesis filly who had started the season over less than half that distance in the Nell Gwyn was always gonna be pushed to stay.

Henry's had loads of champions over the years, but arguably never quite had what you'd call an all-time great. Horses like Ardross, Kris, Oh So Sharp, Reference Point, Indian Skimmer, Old Vic and Bosra Sham came close, but I'd love to see him have a Nijinsky or even a Sea The Stars before he gives the game up.

well oh so sharp is still the last triple crown winner and i can see that standing for many years to come !

Fair point, she was brilliant against Triptych at Epsom

thanks geoff, ive got the laptop, in london at the moment, bbetting todayand promise too keep off here next week even though york is on , bad planning. anyway thanks for frankel all   paid for 2 nights hotel off tomorrow, sorry wont see your mate, were flying to genoa to get the ship . love twice over too win    .

anyone know plans for frankel

Quoted on the Cecil website

A delighted Cecil said: “That was very good and he has done it easy. I hope he can come on for it and go on to better things.

“We shall stay at a mile with him and look at races such as the Royal Lodge and the Racing Post Trophy.”

Latecomer to thread .. yes it was Charles St. George (Ardross colours?)

Fidway.
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i thought sanquirico was charles st george but wouldnt argue with you

Remember HRAC master that he is/was had a period where his colts didnt winter too well this being one of them.

Space Cruiser won on the Ascot heath card,don`t think he added up to much.

High Estate and Be My Chief other colts who didnt fulfill their 2 yo promise.

Vacarme was a hilarious episode (Richmond Stakes?) where Wilenstein, possibly the most temperemental owner in history threw his toys out of the pram after a clever Piggott ride didnt work out.

Perpendicular,owned by Howard de Walden ,won on the last day of the season ridden by Steve Cauthen at Donny,100/30 coming out of the gloom..

Anyone mentioned Cluade Monet .. had a 100 quid as a student a lot for me then and took 2s antepost at a Joe's the Dante ... it won at around 6s with the great Cauthen up and so my antepost career could only get better even though he won!

i remember space cruiser,was meaning to put him up. what else did he do ?

Can`t remember ,but what is clear is that this thread and the old jumpers thread has made me smile and feel much better during a rather bad time for me

Woke up and thought of Martha Stevens winning the Nell Gwyn,think it was owned by Peter Harris.

Russian Bond
Salse
Midyan.....The list seems endless

russian bond finished 2nd to zilzal

Carmelite House and Samoan were others who didn't really train on about that time. Thorn Dance aswell, although he hustled up Kerrera at Haydock as a 3yo.

Salse was a super consistent colt, though he was found out by Warning in the QEII

didnt samoan finish 2nd to another cecil colt in the royal lodge,sanquirico maybe

It seems that HRAC was a bit of a specialist with precosious two year old colts,as well as the Fillies and Mares.

1987

sanquirico unbeaten in 5 i think

1988

high estate unbeaten in h

1989

be my chief unbeaten n 6

1990

peter davies unbeaten in 3 or 4


all unbeaten as juveniles. this is all off the top of my head so wait for me to be corrected lol

Saw Russian Bond win its debut @ Yarmouth.
Won pulling a double decker bus with Cauthen motionless.
Looked a real superstar

Looks like my Ante Post portfolio for those years Derbys and Guineas,all in tatters,.

oh and musicale unbeaten in 5 in 1991.chimes of freedom lost once in 1989 i think to dead certain in the cheveley park.bound to be a few more precocious ones. faustus was another in 1985 ,think he won 5 from  6 ,6.sure blade his only conquerer

Grand Pavois - King George V handicap at Royal Ascot - heavily backed - trotted up
Faraway Dancer - second to dancing brave in craven then fifth in derby I think
Queen's soldier
Yachtsman

only heard of faraway dancer out of that 4 carlton. are they pre 1985ish

Yeah Samoan was 2nd in High Estate's Royal Lodge. Also ran a few weeks later in the Scenic/Prince Of Dance dead-heat Dewhurst but finished out the back door.

Did win a noddy race somewhere as a 3yo, Newcastle maybe.

You can probably add Armiger to that list, think he was unbeaten in 5 or so as 2yo. Although he turned out half decent at 3 aswell.

Which Henry Cecil classic winner won the race despite none of the runners entering the stalls(think im right in saying this)

Hmmm, was Michelozzo's Leger at Ayr a flag start or something ?

Sleepytime is my favourite filly of Henry's. And the grey horse, the Skimmer, she was beautiful. I quite like this Midday though, she's not finished yet.

Thought it was Bolkonski, there was a dispute in 1975 with the stable lads and stall handlers, and if my memory was correct they formed a line and went

Pat Eddery rode Russian Bond to win its debut at Yarmouth(cauthen was off injured)Pat said it was the best 2 y old he`d ever ridden. W Ryan won on him in the Mill Reef at Newbury , not sure what happened to him after that.

Fidway - they were about that time.
Don't forget Simply Great,exceptionally good in the morning but never really reproduced it in the afternoon - same for Brigata and Killer Instinct.
Nobody could believe it was the same Brigata that turned up at the races,I think she was tailed off twice and they then drew stumps.She was quite exceptional on work mornings - plenty of the lads were skint afterwards

Zalazl

2nd in the old William Hill Futurity as a 2yo behind Al Hareb
3rd in the Dante as a 3yo then won the Great Voltigeur the same year

Its Ebor week so lets not forget Kneller hosing up in '88 (I was there when he sliced through the field like the proverbial knife through butter under P Eddery) and Tuning a decade or so later under Fallon. I had my first fiver on one of his un-raced maidens at Yarmouth called Be My Valentine. Won under Piggot at odds on and my overriding memory as a fifteen year old in 1982 was completely **** myself at the thought of loosing a whole weeks paper round and pocket money! Happy days??

never learn club.
Im convinced it was Cauthen who rode Russina Bond on its debut.
It was 1 of those races you watch that stick in the mind & can still picture it now(yep it is definetly Cauthen)moving up on the outside with Russian Bond pulling his arms out.
Cumani also had a hoss in the race began with S but cant recall full name that despite getting a complete mullering from Russian Bond won next time up.
@ that time Henry had them fully revved up & knew their job inside out showing very little signs of inexperience on debut.
Compared to today where a few still win on debut, but still have plenty to learn/improvement in the tank to come.

Not sure wheter either of these have been called but 2 spring to mind(cumanis) Critique 1m4 group horse with attitude,
Hello Gorgeous & Gayane

3 even

geoff m , indeed you are correct,please accept my apologies ,couldv`e sworn it was eddery.Just looked it up on racing post site

no prob

**** sapien
red route

red oute looked like being a st leger winner but think he flopped

Desert Sun, another morning glory. Winter 2000gns fav, HRAC ended up running him over all sorts of distances to try and get a performance resembling his gallops form.

mill on the floss a shocking omission.

Desert Sun may have been a flop but he is a hero down under.
Isn't he the sire of th super Australian mare?

Three of my favourites from 1982 apart form Ardross were three very good two year old, Diesis, Dunbeath & Precocious.

Glory days.

we will be talking about midday in 10 years

Anyone else remember if they started the 1975 2000 Guineas by flag????

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cheers rocking horse

frankel might just turn out the best of the lot

Better than Slip Anchor and Oh So Sharp Fidway? My god that is some prediction, I can't see it myself but hope you are right I must say.

the man himself says hes the best 2yo.with a bit of improvement over the winter then who knows.,reference point was his best so far imo

Going to be hard to compare with the likes of Oh So Sharp , depends what you mean by the definition of best horse and you'll probably only have the performances up to 10f to compare whereas Oh So Sharp effectively won the " triple crown"

Oh So Sharp was a truly magnificent racehorse, one of the very best fillies of all time definitely.

agreed.remember my dad putting £50 on her in the king george,that pesky petoski

Zilzal.
They did start the 75 Guineas by flag due to stable lads protests @ the start.

Frankie on morning line .Being a proffessional he went for Dream Ahead.
Forgot the basics of asking his dad how good Wollow was

"Wollow was a great horse, and I would nominate him as about the best youngster I have been fortunate enough to have had through my hands" HRAC 1983.

anyone remember water cay

Yep, may have raced in the same green and white colours as Be My Chief and Faraway Dancer, which reminds me - when Faraway Dancer ran in the Dee Stakes at Chester, there was an article in the RP about the lad who looked who looked after him. He was fighting leukaemia at the time but would be leading up the horse.I remember being around the paddock and hearing Michael Stoute's travelling head lad Jimmy Scott teasing him in jest with a 'you think your famous now' or words similar. Can't remember the name of the lad or if he managed to pull through.

Salieri - decent but hammered by Gorytus

These have probably been mentioned elsewhere but:

Kneller
Diminuendo
Indian Skimmer
Opening Verse was one?
Saumarez before he won the Arc
Snow Bride - Lammtarras mom
Peter Davis with 4 white socks and a camp owner!

years ago KATIE CECIL

Round about 1978 or 9 he had a good one sounded like Afghanistan. Anyway finished second first time up when I suppose was expected and I had a weeks wages on it. Been trying to remember it's name for the last twenty years. Anybody help? By the way I worship the man. Just seems a very good bloke. Mentioned it before but after a days racing at Donnie a few years back he was in a big beigeie coloured Merc at the top of Town Moor Avenue at the lights opposite me in Doncaster and as I drove past him he smiled in that spontaneous way he does. Will treasure that moment for ever.

I fail to comprehend some people's obsession with this man. As far as I can determine, he is a public school educated aristocrat who has trained racehorses for a living. Unless I have missed something, he is not a great philanthropist nor has he made any noteworthy contribution to the human race other than teaching horses to run fast on behalf of their wealthy owners. Nothing odd about not changing the course of the human race, this is the story for 99.99% of us. For liberator to treasure the moment when Henry Cecil 'smiled' at him at some traffic lights is more than a little peculiar.

Amazing how two Scotsmen can be at different ends of the popularity ladder , namely Henry Cecil v Andy Murray 

Scimitara - fav for the Oaks I believe but unfortunately broke down. Cecil loved the horse and when it walked back to its box he didnt need to hold its reins as the horse was so relaxed and trusting. Hopefully she recovered to live out her days in the fields.

I remember Diminuendo. I was undecided on whether to back her or Dabaweya (sorry about the spelling) in either Oaks. For a young lad at the time, I had alot of money going onto Dabaweya. Needless to say, Diminuendo was awesome and I lost

Mr Fluorocarbon owned by Jim McAllister

I remember working in a bookies in the late 80s and a bloke came in raving about one of Henrys horses that hadnt ran yet saying it was the best 2yo he"d ever had? we were all young and naive back then and got 1000/1 off my boss for it to win the 2000 guineas and the derby the following year? The horse in question was called GIANTS CASTLE and i dont even think it ran as a 2yo i think it made its debut in the wood ditton but dont quote me? Needless to say it didnt even run in the guineas or derby and i do believe it ended up over hurdles?

reg Water Cay - Have checked, owner was the now late Peter Burrell who did also own Be My Chief and Faraway Dancer. His son now has a couple with John Dunlop.

WAS AT YORK  when dunbeath got turned over in mecca dante, the following race mr cecil had a winner malvern beauty, anyone have info on her afterwards

a pleasing thread

One of the best mornings of my life early july (july cup ) day on the limekiln gallops wiv Cecils string 86ish.
Henry on his piebald hack.
Not a cloud in the sky blue sunshine stood @ the side of a guy wiv binocs who was calling out the famous horses as they went past Reference Point and Indian Skimmer (who was easy to spot) are 2 that stick in the mind. Cracking day.

geoff m 05 Aug 10 20:36 
Indian Skimmer was a cracking filly
One of my fondest memories is watching the Cecil string work on the Limekilns one superb July morning & followed them as they walked back across the top of Warren Hill with Indian Skimmer & Ref Point in the group.



so you sayed   

Got to chat with Henry a few times over the years and he was always interested to hear your opinion on his horses remember him asking where I thought Midday should run next as he held her after finishing work one morning.

was you a work rider m8?

I had horses at Warren Place

Nice,hope they won a few.
   GL

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geoff m 05 Aug 10 20:36 
Indian Skimmer was a cracking filly
One of my fondest memories is watching the Cecil string work on the Limekilns one superb July morning & followed them as they walked back across the top of Warren Hill with Indian Skimmer & Ref Point in the group.



so you sayed   Laugh

Cant remember what i said yesterday Delta never mind 9 years ago.
Never forget that morning tho!!

Alpha Tauri and Continuum still running. Another ex Niarchos horse in Ireland too I think? Name escapes me.... Any other ex inmates still on the go?

Niarchos bloodlines ..


Study Of Man
(IRE)
4yo
    (09Apr15 b c)
Trainer
    P Bary
Owner
    Flaxman Stables Ireland Ltd

5th to Roaring Lion, IRE Champions, previously won


3:15
Chantilly (FR)
3 Jun 2018
Qipco Prix du Jockey Club (Group 1) (3yo Colts & Fillies) (Turf)
(3yo) (1m2f110yds) 1m2½f Soft
1st £758,495.58 2nd £303,451.33 3rd £151,725.66 4th £75,796.46 5th £37,964.60
Result
Analysis
My Ratings
Past Winners
Pos. (Draw)    
Horse / SP
Trainer / Jockey
    Age     WGT     OR     TS     RPR     MR    
1 (6) 
   
Runner Jacket
10. Study Of Man (IRE) 4/1
Stephane Pasquier P Bary

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYxF7HXrRX0

i remeber sweet chesne, sanquirico[ same season as diminuendo ?}and bluebook. I was at york many years ago, the dante meeting and i recall malvern beauty winning on her debut i think, anyone know if she ran again,( might have been a colt).

An absolutely delighful thread, I've just read it all from start to finish.

Sir Henry Cecil, my hero and no doubt a few others on here think the same as me.

elisjohn • August 12, 2010 9:52 PM BST
this is a great thread, im off tomorrow on 10 days hols, med cruise im trying to let my other half to let me take laptop, anyway keep this thread going and has someone  got a winner for me tomorrow whats this newmarket 6.35, too drunk too read most of this post.
Brodie • August 12, 2010 10:51 PM BST
frankel is a cecil horse that is well bred and runs in the 6.35 tomoz at newmarket mate.
PFtrader • August 14, 2010 9:08 PM BST
Quoted on the Cecil website

A delighted Cecil said: “That was very good and he has done it easy. I hope he can come on for it and go on to better things.

“We shall stay at a mile with him and look at races such as the Royal Lodge and the Racing Post Trophy.”

turned out ok didnt he, that why sir henry was the greatest trainer of them all, he knew

1984 Epsom




May be 1st decent horse he trained for that owner before a temporary split.  Don't think he had horses in stable 1986-1990