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Rider
11 May 10 11:41
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It seems the BHA are looking at ways of getting MORE levy from players on exchanges, do they not realise that this will only result in bf players just switching to sports where they do not pay levy.
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Report Mr. Memory May 11, 2010 11:52 AM BST
How much did Saville obtain from the Press for printing the runners & riders ?
Report Rider May 11, 2010 11:55 AM BST
exactly and the OFT blunder, they need someone like Barry Hearn in charge, getting impartial advice from bookmakers is not good for the sport
Report Rider May 11, 2010 11:56 AM BST
* 'impartial'
Report heynoodles May 11, 2010 12:29 PM BST
Joke of an article from the racing post - more bookmaker propganda given a prominent slot on their website.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/ralph-topping-william-hill-hills-boss-calls-for-new-government-to-support-industry/714848/top/

pythia will be seething
Report heynoodles May 11, 2010 12:33 PM BST
Bookmakers made £1BILLION directly from betting on horseracing in 2009.

Meanwhile, prize money levels are low, wages are poor, and one of the bigwigs at the racing post (Brough Scott) advocates shooting horses that are no longer 'useful'.
Report millhouse May 11, 2010 12:38 PM BST
Heynoodles, I am becoming more and more convinced that the firm featured in the piece you linked are now directly or indirectly shareholders in the Racing Post...
Report heynoodles May 11, 2010 12:45 PM BST
Ive seen you put that a few times millhouse - coming more and more around to your way of thinking.
Report birch2 May 11, 2010 1:40 PM BST
noodles

To me, it gave a fair reflection of the legal position of exchange customers. But the conclusion was baffling - if 'the legal reality is straightforward' - then ALL customers will (rightly) claim to be an individual gambler and not a business

How could it be proven otherwise -

I think you may have a point re the article favouring the bookies as if they 'tax' the exchange proportionately then that could have a devastating affect on all of us.
Report heynoodles May 11, 2010 1:58 PM BST
Hello birch, ive only just bought the paper - agree that that article is perfectly reasoned. It's the online virtual press release from h1lls that's disappointing.
Report Sportsadvisor May 12, 2010 4:42 AM BST
interesting article from a legal expert yesterday in the post, it seems reading between the lines,that the reason for the current tax break for those running a business on here (not covered by the gambling acts 'providing the facilities for gambling') that labour decided not to tax those acting regularly on here because on the contra side they could envisage city boys offsetting their profits with their losses. hence traditional bookmakers are left trying to compete with users on here - their prices are reflected from the course market. bottom line is, online betfair players have ultra low cost and tax base
Report guidofawkes May 12, 2010 7:22 AM BST
A very salient point is that these "untaxed" layers running a business on here do not as far as I know have FOBT's sat outside their houses causing social harmMischief remember it's us taxpayers who pick up the tab when the bookmakers attack society with FOBT's. Basically we pick up the tab for the kids.
Report yoyo May 12, 2010 8:17 AM BST
hey guyfawkes, but the casino games on here aint a social problem, interesting.
Report Persian War May 12, 2010 9:52 AM BST
apologies for ignorance but FOBT =?  plz
Report guidofawkes May 12, 2010 9:55 AM BST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_odds_betting_terminal

A fixed odds betting terminal (FOBT) is an electromechanical device normally found in betting shops in the United Kingdom that allows players to bet on the outcome of various games and events with fixed odds. They were introduced to UK shops in 2001.[1]

The most commonly played game is roulette. The minimum bet per spin used to be £1, but is now only a quarter of that, 25p. The maximum bet is £100. The largest single payout cannot exceed £500.[2] Token coins can be of value as low as five pence in some UK licensed betting offices (LBOs).[citation needed]

Other games include bingo, simulated horseracing and greyhound racing, and a range of slot machine games.

Like all casino games, the "house" (i.e. the casino) has a built-in advantage, with current margins on roulette games being theoretically between 2.5% and 5%.

Common wisdom is that each one of these society wreckers can net an LBO a minimum of £1K profit per week.Cry
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