Noel Martin - How Did He Make His Dough?

My wife knows nothing about racing.

I told her this afternoon's story and she almost in tears...wishes I hadn't told her

check out Baddam career earnings.

As I said, his filly should have kept the race for the reasons outlined.

The story was of fairytale proportions and the right conclusion in light of the filly whom finished first past the post.

Newmarket stewards = very very poor.

NM's winnings over the last 7 years...nearly £230,000 before todays race.

probs compensation?

£230k over 7 years will not have covered the purchase fees and the bills for the horses he has had.

Must have had a few quid from the start - just wondered how he made this?

my mate said it was drug money. i suspect his compensation was quite high from germany. i've googled it and found nothing.

compensation for the neo nazi attack which left hinm crippled?

So could it have been drug money? If so...

like a previos poster put it on another thread earlier, why does no one ask the same question about david johnson and any other big owners , pretty sad really just a matter of cicumstance, and i am in no way aiming this at you sir talbot just assumptions that many people will make

pox doctors clerk ....

what a wonderfully evocative name

glad you like it scuttle

I guess questions are asked because he was a construction worker in germany when he was attacked.

Agree - I just read he was a construction worker too. I am not in any way pointing the finger or whatever. To the other poster, I have looked into other owners who interest me...always liked the Andy Stewart over the sticks so had a look at where he made his wealth.

Just there's nothing on the chap Martin.

my mate said it was drug money. i suspect his compensation was quite high from germany. i've googled it and found nothing.

Shocking! Just cos he is a Jamaican.

I guess in my own mind, I wanted to substantiate if this was an near as we're going to get to a rags to riches story, has his horse won - or whether he was seriously minted and where today's win wouldn't in real terms have made a blind bit of difference.

guys had it tough............deserves every bit of luck........pity about today but probably the right decision

I thought he was British but born in Jamaica.

Not the rigth decision - how stupid are people?!?

Watch racing day to day - this sort of incident happens at least once a week and as per owners comments today, results are never altered.

It is complete and utter bowlacks - logical decision would have been places unaltered, jockey 3 day ban. Not rocket science, not difficult.

Stewards a complete fking joke.

in the minority there ...right result imo.

correct talbot , i thought it was a complete travesty too, if the horses had finished the other way round then i doubt very much the same would have happened

and in the same circumstances, meant to say

I am not in the minority - how stupid are people?

Watch racing, day and night, UK and Ireland - this incident happens not quite day in and day out but almost certainly 1/2 a week - NEVER does a result get turned over. I would say today's switching of result represents about 1 in every 25 decisions. Therefore, not representative of the day to day reality.

What do we want to do boys? Have ponsey results for ponsey races to make ourselves look good globally? Or do we want consistency?

I for one am all about the latter as this is the only way to breed credibility.

pox doc

why do you think the stewards would not have reversed their decision if the french horse had won in the same circumstances?

dont think i have to spell that out billy

surely yr not suggesting the stewards pull out info on the owners to influence their decidion

so rather than let the nicest man in Newmarket who everybody seems to love keep the race, they stripped him of the victory because of the owner......... in favour of the French??????

moonbats are amongst us

bumped the 2nd and carried across the track ..btn a nose with the winners jockeys whip in the wrong hand..............easy decision id say

imo he should of kept the race,i remember when i backed rhinestone cowboy in chelt bumper an pizzaro bumped him nearly of track an he still kept the race!

Its not a case of nice owner, Cecil, French Jenny Pitman and an Arab - it's about CONSISTENCY.

It's about when this next happens in a £1.5k claimer round Lingfield keeping to this letter - if not, then the system is a complete fking mockery.

I would suggest, as previous, this kind of overhaul happens 1 in every 25 of these cases. In this instance what do we go with? Do we go with the 24 examples of that 25, or the 1 just to make us look good in the eyes of the International racing community?

For me, the outcome was completely non sensical.

CD...........2 wrongs dont make a right

That's right cardiff, and that's where the masses are completely divvy on this one.

The majority of the time the result would have STOOD. Not about wrongs and rights, it is about CONSISTENCY - its about being as CONSISTENT as possible in day to day decision making.

How can people not get this?!?

I backed SD and im still not 100% convinced that he would had won without being bumped.

Billy Jay 02 May 21:26
so rather than let the nicest man in Newmarket who everybody seems to love keep the race, they stripped him of the victory because of the owner......... in favour of the French??????

in favour of the French or poor old Prince Khalid?

Well said Sir Talbit , was there today and noel was very distraught. You see that kind of interference all the time and the result is never reversed. Sariska at Epsom , Ajaan a couple of seasons back at newmarket were far worse cases.

Sir T

I completely agree that consistency is the name of the game.

I also think that under the regulations that apply the stewards made the right decision.

I do not watch as much as racing as you but have seen a similar incident happen over jumps and the result reversed, but I bow to your experience in that it happens one or two times a week without the result being changed.

To convince me (and I am not being cheeky and anyone can answer) could you give me an example and I will watch a replay (will have to be an ATR meeting though) as I was of the opinion that stewarding had become more level.

I must stress that I am not being facetious but would like to see an example - thank you

Billy

there is no consistency in any sport at the min that is the prob ST i was just pointing out a e.g with that rhinestone race but that day he should of won but didnt get the race in stewards room then today similar thing an horses are amended joke imo ,but its same in football,rugby etc its ruining the sports imo

This is why this bowlacks about the LETTER OF THE LAW is indeed complete and utter RUBBISH.

The law is applied day in day out, from Ascot to Wolverhampton - today's decision was massively INCONSISTENT in the context of those decisions that are made daily.

This is where the TRAVESTY lies.

If I were today's owner, I would scour back over every race of the past 12 months and probably find 50 instances of interference like todays, within which there will be 1/2, maybe 3 reversal of finishing order MAX. Might get it on appeal if he can get the manpower to carry out this task, or atleast prompt a debate at a higher level into ironing out our laws of racing so as to make them C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T!

Totally agree ST

Wonder if they had reversed the result if a big owners horse had moved across like that ?

morella , if special duty was first past the post the result would have stood.

I have to agree - unfortunately the Arabs have British racing by the bowlacks.

Sir T
plenty of sense in your comments but i fail to understand the logic behind the thread. Is his money being questioned just because he is of different colour
Afterall owners win every day of the week without recourse to this kind of a thread

The thread has evolved.

My initial question was just to figure out a bit more about the 'winning' owner - just interested in his story pre the accident. Also wanted to know if this was as near a rags to riches story as we're likely to get in flat racing, or whether the bloke is minted and where today's result wouldn't have made a jot of difference.

Not agenda - just genuinely interested in the guy.

it was compensation , and for what he has gone through i think you could any price on that. To read some of the earlier threads i find them quite sickening people laughing at this guy. I for one didnt find this thread at al about the colour of his skin.

Sir Talbot - this might interest you.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/apr/22/race.thefarright

Does anyone seriously believe that a Coolmore Magnier or Godolphin beast would have been thrown out today?

I have expected a newmarket jobsworth to try and throw Cecil's owners out of the winners enclosure!

If Abdullah had anything about him he would give the prize money to the 2nd.

Oh and here's a question how did Prince Khalled Abdullah get his title and his money?

;)

I read that article - I wasnt on here earlier so no idea what people were saying.

I just hope the guy's filly goes on from this and can run really well in top races for the rest of the season. Would be nice for him and the filly to pick up a G1 before the season is out.

Do you think they will appeal?

No chance of appeal was right decision I thought. On the othre hand loo what the **ing Oirish did to To Agori when they lost

As previous, if I had a nice few quid sloshing about, I would appeal.

I would also appeal, whilst minor intereference did take place the jockey on the second never at any stage stopped riding and had every chance to go by imo. The winner wanted it more.

i agree jockey on the second never stopped riding , i hope they get it.

How **ing idiotic do you have to be, to imagine that having been a construction worker in East Germany and made paraplegic by a racist attack, that you would then somehow become capable of becoming a big time drug dealer?

**ing retards imo. Compensation is the only possible explanation. try using one of your two remaining braincells.

oh dear

easy as ** B-)

Sir_Talbot 02 May 21:12
Not the rigth decision - how stupid are people?!?

Watch racing day to day - this sort of incident happens at least once a week and as per owners comments today, results are never altered.

It is complete and utter bowlacks - logical decision would have been places unaltered, jockey 3 day ban. Not rocket science, not difficult.

Stewards a complete fking joke.



Complete and total ar$e gravy (like most of your posts here). How often do horses get carted 10-15 metres, get bumped twice in the last furlong and get beaten a Croc-style "flared nostril"? How you can possibly say it is the wrong decision, even for a toilet you like you, is beyond belief.

The french jockey never had to stop riding, was not ' carried across the track' as was drifting itself .

Imo you'd have to be a complete idiot to think the result should stand. Special Duty was beaten an inch at the most and had been bumped and then carried across the track. If anyone thinks that Special Duty was not hampered to the exent of more than an inch they are blind. It was a completely straightforward decision. No one without an agenda could possibly think otherwise.

henry cecil is the greatest trainer ever bar none and a damn fine fellow aswell , a friend to punters like no other and deserves every sucsess and more ,
but there was no way he could keep that race for the reasons above , was totally gutted for yard ,
And its good to see passion shown by russjr etc for the man , i respect and understand that and when i think back one day its cecil and jaqueline quest that i will remember .

henry cecil is the greatest trainer ever bar none and a damn fine fellow aswell , a friend to punters like no other and deserves every sucsess and more ,
but there was no way he could keep that race for the reasons above , was totally gutted for yard ,
And its good to see passion shown by russjr etc for the man , i respect and understand that and when i think back one day its cecil and jaqueline quest that i will remember .

sir talot, i thought xmas had come early when i saw 2.02 on jaqueline keeping the race, i admit put 200 quid on, there was no way she was going to lose , shocking decision

Tolstoy, you cant watch too much racing from britain!!

Tolstoy - was not 10-15 metres and the winning distance was a nose.

Lets speak in facts.

What also has gone without comment is how Pasquier also had his whip in the wrong hand - granted, the Cecil horse was drifting into his mount, but nonetheless he too didn't take any action.

2nd never had to stop riding which is why they never normaly get reversed and both jocks when that close have to whip with that hand or theyd hit the other horse or jockey u see jockeys have to pull the horse back when cut up and get beaten half length surley that costs a horse more than a length so its stupid that decisions only get reversed if a nose u can basicaly muller the other horse make it stop and as long as u beat it more than a nose nothing hapens even if u cost the horse 2 lengths and win by 1/2

He 'worked in construction' in Germany. Not the same thing as being a 'construction worker'. He has his own building firm. He's a businessman in other words. Wonder why it warrants such interest? Oh , that's right because it might be a rags to riches story. lol . Ignorance has nearly killed him and now it's ok for people to speculate that he might be a criminal. How the f? is this thread still up BF?

Typical bloody liberal.

This thread was originally one of intrigue. Having seen the post race interview I merely wanted to know what this guy was doing before his horrific accident/attack.

Jesus wept, some people are so bloody pathetic.