graham cunningham aka betmaverick

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I have no idea why he bothers to destroy his own carefully maintained media image by auditing himself. Surely he would be better off diverting funds from his website designer to more media training. Maybe he could employ a "jokes man" for some more 1 liners al la Couch.

He talks a good game but seeing those rseults he obviously don't play anything like he talks!!!

Rubbish at the game of tipping but talks as if he's in the know- Tommy the tipster- Lossmaverick

seems to struggle when hes picking for others who are also paying him..........always put pressure on you but i hope he makes a go of it..........seems a good guy

Yes Cardiff but all conmen seem nice guys, its their stock in trade.

what price yifter comes on here and offers fred starter to come to him and say it to his face?

at least he shows the figures.....the rest only advertise when they have something to advertise

your mission - should you choose to accept it - is to distinguish between those that are and those that aren't

he's twice as bright and articulate as most of them. Tipping is difficult but he obviously know what he's doing. You've got a chance if you believe that he makes gambling pay. And I'd be confident that he does.

i thought he was a television presenter

very harsh to call him a conman and i think fairly libelous

No he wont because I have already offered him the chance to debate his results on RUK but surprise surprise--- he has not even answered

Harsh as he is only trying to get £35 a month off a few. Hardly a Goldman scachs con is it?

newboy.......think theres others you should have a go at before graham.....thommo or losestanley for instance

ybor. You are confusing media lessons and a script with articulate. You are no doubt articulate but you didnt come across like that on RUK. A few quid spent on some coaching and you would sound like Jan Leeming;)

I am quite prepared to expose all of them and am presently working my way through many more.

I'm doing nothing of the kind. I'm not going to argue with you about my performances. However Cunningham is unusually witty and spontaneous.

What are you 'exposing' him for exactly? He's not guaranteeing profits is he?

In what way is GC a "conman"? He is providing a tipping service - with the results fully audited on his website.

Heaven forbid anyone whose job it is to talk confidently on air for 4 hours at a time should have some training in how not to make a complete ar se of it. Not sure he would have even needed it tho....i believe he's a qualified barrister and always looks to be ad libbing to me

Judge the man long term imo, on a month is simply ridiculous

ybor he may well be all of those things but he is asking punters for £35 per month to tip winners --at which he has been obviously VERY UNSUCCESSFUL

newboy -I doubt his employer would allow him to discuss his own business venture on their channel - but if you were to approach him in person on the racetrack, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't prepared to discuss it with you.

like the Olympics, it's the taking part not the winning

Sorry but does Mr Cunningham come around to your house threatening you to join his site? If not shut up.

maybe Ged but I know he posts on here but so far he has declined all my requests

in what way VERY UNSUCCESSFUL? think he made a profit last year before drawing stumps and refunding after a bad month and is 7.55 pts down this time acc to this thread....doesnt even register that compared to most of the charlatans out there

He has made a loss in one month ffs.

Given the nature of GC's selection method, I would still be decent odds-on that he chisels out a profit this year.

not as if he is like other tipsters who are hiding their losses in adverts in the racing post

Newboy77 appears to have a chip on his shoulder and wants his subscription back,

failing that, he is Joshuag's other username as suspected before !

Great Whyte 01 May 10:59
ybor. You are confusing media lessons and a script with articulate. You are no doubt articulate but you didnt come across like that on RUK. A few quid spent on some coaching and you would sound like Jan Leeming;)

bit of make up and a good shave could look like her too imo

Newboy77 seems to have to have a personal agenda as - 7 points is hardly a disaster.

No actually on the months he charged money last year he lost and although he showed a profit in March tis year it was also a trial period April is the first this year for which he has charged and guess what ------HE HAS LOST!!!

Quality racing this weekend and you're tackling a guy who charges a shade over £1 per day for his selections? You'll never end tipping so just enjoy the racing.

One suggestion for GC if he is reading this.

Newcomers to the BM site would just now see a load of "locked" content. Why don't you unlock some of the stuff (after the event obviously) so prospective punters could see the logic + thought processes that are going into the selections?

I have never contributed to a tipping line but have seen the results of guillable people who have been taken in by these "tv pundits"
I am amazed that these people are not regulated

newboy - I suggest it is unintelligent to lump them all together and rate as one. Some good, some crap.

Conman is a bit string don't you think??, he is a pundi, a form student, who offers his opinion. doesn't tell lye's with his stats which is different to 90% of fellow turfites.like ?????

Give the man a break he is a lot better than the average, and that must convince you that offering up an opinion every race is not very attractive.

cubone

newsboy 77 do the same as mr Cunningham and at the end of the flat season we will review your thread in all good faith.

cubone

I think if people are going to get personal about people then this thread should be binned. As far as I know Jan Leeming never had issues with facial hair.

I have great respect for GC and his knowledge of horseracing.

But I am surprised that someone of his intellect and integrity should feel the need to associate himself with the shady business of professional tipstering.

Above anything else, surely he doesn't need the hassle nor the potential for tarnishing his image.

I believe that I could do a better job than Brown our MP, as good as the manager of Liverpool. would win Britain Got Talent if they would answer my phone calls.

But as I sit here in my High rise flat over looking the red light district of Birmingham life is so unfair.

Good Luck today. graham,

Only joking.

cubone

he must need the money? surely no other reason.

Luke I am not a tipster---my point is simple -----if you charge people for tips which do not show a profit you have 2 choices either admit failure(like Graham did last year) and stop or a more honourabe course of action----- return the subscriptions

loper were is Grahams image other than on national TV.
Without the coverage, were would he get his living. not punting by all accounts.
It is entertainment, and he looks good and as you all say he talks a great fight. that's all you get, im afraid,
hats Horse-racing the moment that the Band leader says I want 30 songs at the gig your popularity is under threat.
To give an opinion in every race covered is a guaranteed 10% loss maker. try it yourself.

cubone

you mean go to the producer and say stuff your £100,000 a year.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that understands racing that G.Cunningham knows the game inside out.
That's the bottom line.

Don Butler's ramblings continue to confuse.

He's always sported a massive pair of blinkers, but I wish he'd try a tongue strap.

GC is the best pundit out there by a mile imo.

No the bottom line is he charges for tips WHICH ARE NO GOOD---

WELL GRAHAM I WILL GO NOW ---YET AGAIN YOU WERE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO COME ON HERE AND DISCUSS YOUR TACKY LITTLE SIDELINE----SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU

Here's the deal. I work as hard as I can. Sometimes I win, other times I lose. I've been lucky enough to come across some great people in trying to get a useful business going. And I've been unlucky enough to come across some anonymous rats who try to be extremely destructive about a service that - unlike so many - is completely clear and accountable. On occasion I've been guilty of getting too fiery about the destructive characters. Now it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't plan to post again. I do plan to keep grafting in the hope that I can make my site as useful as possible to those who have paid their hard earned. Hope this helps.

newboy I do not know the gentleman but is as you say he admitted failure last year.

Then he is a one off, as I would hazard a guess that there is no other pundit, tipster, has done the same so we must beg to differ my opinion is that he looks the part speaks well. has a great knowledge of the game. and is 100% honest in his record keeping.
I would say if he loses his job then he could always become the next Pope.

cubone.co.uk

Mr Cunningham I for one wish you the very best, in the future and will watch your performance every time my grand kids are at school.
I thank you for the great entertainment,
I will treat horses that lose as if they are my own,information. as i will bet my bottom dollar, they are better than any of the so called experts, on this disrespectful fred.

cubone.

I wish you well too Yifter, I enjoy your appearances on Racing UK.

seems to be doing OK imo, drives a big red car.

my last post on the subject-----

Graham you set up a tipping line--charging people money for you information
On the tips for which you have charged both last year and this your customers are LOSING MONEY----this is fact

Instead of calling "rats "those who offer informed criticism would you not be better advised to return the subscriptions?

Shall we just have a whip-round and give this chump his £35 back ffs?

A disappointing last post. Hope for your sake you can read a form book better than you can read a person.

thread starter needs to get a life and mature a little

i've never used a tipster in my life but if i did and it flopped i'd be blaming myself not the tipster

as far as tv is concerned i'd rather listen to gs than 99% of the other pundits, bloke has more enthusiasm for the game than most and puts the effort in

met him once at bangor, nice chap, not up his @rse, good guy imo

think theres plenty of tipsters you can have a go but think grahams not one

I was rather hoping he might put me on the subs bench.

The question that matters with regard to a tipping line is not as some on here (chomy,ybor,etc) as to wether you like or don't like the person behind it,is a simple one,why does the owner feel its more profitable to sell their tips to others rather than just back them themselves....

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really like graham on ruk but pretty surprised he has gone down this route again

as loper said earlier does he really need all the baggage attatched to running a tipping service in return for a probable decent but not life changing amount of money?

the answer appears to be yes

Sorry Newsboy this thread will I am sure convince Graham's producer how popular he is, after all as only 1% of race watchers join a forum,
it would mean that Mr Cunningham has a massive fan base.
worth an extra 10% remuneration.

Good luck to you as well my friend, you cant win them all.

cubone

Zeb

I could understand your view if someone was selling "inside info" but if a tipster decides to set up a tipping site using form to select winners/losers then it's surely up to the indervidjals to decide what to do !

I've been tipping on for 30 years(anniversary last month ) and enjoy doing it. I probably lose less than 4 days a month on here.
It's nice to spread wealth.

info its upto an individual what to do in most aspects of life,but you are not addressing the question on my posting.

i have never met gc, so have no reason to be pro or anti.
it is obvious that he is a well clued in racing pundit, that "qualification" does not guarantee that you can make racing pay. whether you choose to follow gc's sels or otherwise is a personal decision, i suspect that many people including those who subscribe to his service value his opinion and on any given day can choose to punt or pass on the given sel.

gc does not go down the ridiculous scatter gun approach favoured by some of his competitors, it is not an easy task trying to make a level stakes profit over a given period as the sels have to be supplied a certain time in advance, and in real punting terms the closer you punt to the off the better, for a variety of reasons.

i wish gc well with his service, and the ironic rub for his "knockers" is that i bet most of them for all their criticism would still want to know his daily sels, a sort of back handed complement.

'WELL GRAHAM I WILL GO NOW ---YET AGAIN YOU WERE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO COME ON HERE AND DISCUSS YOUR TACKY LITTLE SIDELINE----SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU'



You ever considered the possibility than some people have actual lives and jobs to do and dont sit around staring at a pooter waiting to respond to bolshy nutters all morning??

I had a spat with Graham on a different issue the other day but on this issue I think you are being unfair. First of all has anyone bothered to post how many bets he has recommended and what is his overal profit loss.

What I would say to graham is he proofing his service with anyone ?.

£35 a month is about the equivalent of making 5 phone calls to that shady duo, Thompson & Nevison.

GC has had the courage to post his P&L, something that Thompson & Nevison have resisted for years despite their outrageous claims in their daily adverts.

I wish GC well but wonder for how long he will be able to run with this.

Come on you knockers, how many bets and what is his PL figures

Caveat Emptor, newboy77, yfsc.

Whilst still free, yifter notched up 10pts win in March, so you are still 3pts to the good following his tips. Assuming the process is the same under subscription as it was when free, you get not just a text or email with selections, but plenty of analysis (right or wrong) behind the selections. At just over £1 a day that seems decent enough if you bet every day or several times a week.

Which brings me to the one flaw - claiming early prices in the P&L when they halve in price or more. Credit to YtS for spotting the price anomaly, but any P&L ought to be shown at SP imo.

jbarnes, you say not a life changing sum of money. I have a colleague who runs a very successful line with 120 clients each paying £1295 per year. Is that life changing enough. To be honest just changing your occupation for the even the same amount is life changing

due to the prices being slashed, tipping lines are now pretty much worthless, unless they are played to SP. as are tips in certain races, where very few can even get an ew bet on etc