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By:
know all
When: 13 Feb 21 16:02
it was like printing money i thought at the time its too easy this wont last long, they got well stuffed big time it was the easiest racing we could ever bet and win on, they stopped it alrigh some excuses but we all know the real reason and thats why it will never come back seem to remember 3 or 4 runner races most of the time
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 13 Feb 21 16:10
Approx 1992 I was involved with a dubious set of owners/trainer. Night before racing got the nod to back Wiltoski & Soda Popinski in A/W hurdles at Southwell, win singles and ew double. Told not to back them before 10am, it was only really independents that put up prices before lunchtime on those sort of races so we were a bit limited. Got all prices from 16s & 20s on both of them, both bolted in at around 3-1 & 7-2. I bought a house with my share.
28 year aftertimeLaugh


Jockey & trainer warned off soon after!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 13 Feb 21 16:14
know all, are you implying all the races were fixed, else surely simple bookmaking would make it profitable for layers.

DG, I see it was the Campbells, can't say I remember them.
By:
werbie
When: 13 Feb 21 16:14
I think Lingfield was equitrack in those days. The stopwatch ruled. Serial winners just kept coming back again and again. Got out in front and they never saw them again. Back in the day when you could get a few quid on the night before. So many small books came and went. Starbet, betabet were a couple, not a clue how to price a race up. All good things come to an end tho, they didn't last too long.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 13 Feb 21 16:57
Reg Hollinshead trained Suluk.

No freezing cold January day at Southwell was complete without Stuart Holder driving Steve Wynne(5) to the course, and then betting £1,000 to £200 ON Suluk to canter home in the claiming hurdle, which he always did. Well, apart from the afternoon he went lame at 14s ON, of course. Still, he returned a fortnight later to win a seller at 4/6.

Year after year the thing would run up a sequence of half a dozen consecutive wins at long odds on while every other punter on the track was trying to warm up with a cup of tea.

The extraordinary thing was that the horse was an entire too. I don't think anything it went on to sire ever even got placed.
By:
pandora1963
When: 13 Feb 21 19:24
i remember well graham bradley blatantly stopping every horse he rode on there
By:
sparrow
When: 13 Feb 21 19:30
It was so bad that Dale McKeown was the champion jockey!
By:
grayhawk
When: 13 Feb 21 20:31
Cheers for that link Koikeeper...surprising how much a mans voice can change over time

Bartletts commentating voice was so much better then than the glass shattering one he offers up nowadays.
By:
Hibore
When: 13 Feb 21 21:18
I used to be around the Brooke Sanders stable ( Double Dutch and Calapez ) she was lethal around Lingfield with Dale riding. Remember being told to back a horse called Big Finish in a 3 or 4 horse race at about 1/10 but do it on the tote (with bookie not pool). Once it won it paid something like 3/1 against as they had bet big stakes on the other 3 horses to manipulate the odds.
All the bookies withheld for a week or so but then had to pay up.

Changed the rules on tote betting after that coup.
By:
know all
When: 13 Feb 21 21:27
know all, are you implying all the races were fixed, else surely simple bookmaking would make it profitable for layers

it was seriously bent the majority of the races were imo lol seem to recall the small fields 3-4 runners lots of races where the leader went off in front and the rest just let it win it was farcical lol you just knew they wont allow this to continue it was easy for any punter, it was also very poor horses running like sellers everyday might be why there could have been a few more injuries but im 100% certain they got together with the bookies and concocted the story to finish it, we knew before they injury stories started to appear that they could not allow this to continue as the punters were winning big, the jockeys were also well involved completely bent imo
By:
swiftynifty
When: 13 Feb 21 22:16
From what you have both said above I'm starting to wonder how lame Suluk really was then the day he cost me money. Not very probably, since he was back out again and winning 2 weeks later.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 13 Feb 21 22:28
I remember a horse called something like Altobelli, won at a big price when we were told it would win.
By:
tip1uk
When: 13 Feb 21 22:48
Suluk was lame on the day, he had an abcess on his foot that oozed puss when his shoe was removed in the vets box
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 13 Feb 21 23:07
tip1uk knows!!!!!


Welcome back, been missing longer than Terry Waite.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 13 Feb 21 23:16
Southwell was relatively straight, because it attracted horses from both the North and the South, and thus not as easy to fix. Lingfield, though, where every jockey, trainer, owner and layer knew each other from going to the same track day-in day-out, became just a cesspit by the end. They didn't even bother to hide it. Barrie Wright, the jockey, would be in the bar with the punters cheering home the winners, not caring who was watching. The journalists were quite happy to turn a blind eye too.

You got races like this one:

https://www.racingpost.com/results/393/lingfield-aw/1992-01-14/44026

Three runners, but basically a match, with the Ian Campbell horse odds-on, and Nigel Coleman's mount easy to back. But calamity! The saddle slipped on the Campbell horse the moment the tapes went up. What to do? Ann Stokell's horse (20/1) barely clambered over the first two hurdles, so that one was out of the equation. All the seven-pound claimer on the favourite could do was cling on and hope for the best. Coleman, meanwhile, held his mount up at a respectful distance, and despite the horse pulling its way up to challenge the favourite at the last, did not go past.

I remember watching the race in the Tote Credit office at Folkestone with Eddie Fremantle, who was still working on the Life at the time. Neither of us could believe what we were seeing. Fremantle rang up the Life journalist at Lingfield asking what he was going to do about it. You couldn't just ignore that. Ah well, came the reply, Coleman's mount didn't find as much as expected. Just one of those things, eh?

Now, that may have been the case. But it would have been nice for the hack in question at least to have asked Coleman for his version of events.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 13 Feb 21 23:52
Looks like the winner above was owned by a certain Gay Kelleway.
By:
Hibore
When: 14 Feb 21 07:19
This was the race they manipulated the tote so Big Finish paid 3/1 against. The other 4 runners were basically tailed off the whole race.

https://www.racingpost.com/results/393/lingfield-aw/1990-01-17/32967
By:
inrunninggg
When: 14 Feb 21 08:09
Suluk   the legend
By:
sageform
When: 14 Feb 21 11:30
I had a small share in as runner on it back in the day. Philip Hobbs had a 40 share syndicate, their first horse was Midfielder who was very good but I bought in the next year when we had a real dud called Bold Bostonian. Philip decided on a novice hurdle on the AW as a last resort. Fortunately my next horse there was 25% of Faustino who won 5 races.
By:
Davros
When: 14 Feb 21 12:13
My favourite bet of all time happened at Southwell - Cosmic Dancer II.  Needed 2m6f with blinkers on at Southwell - couldn't win under other circumstances.  Lyn's Return had a very profitable season at Lingfield one year and I think also raced on the snow abroad.
By:
The Sawyer
When: 14 Feb 21 12:17
I remember that day Hibore - 19 fecking 90!!!
By:
Hibore
When: 14 Feb 21 12:26
I know...where has the time gone.

Brooke Sanders..anyone know where she is now ? Double Dutch is still one of my fav horses.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 14 Feb 21 17:19
Calapaez - a top-class front-running juvenile hurdler trained by Brooke Sanders, went on to become a tough 3m handicap chaser:

By:
workrider
When: 14 Feb 21 17:29
Remember him well where in heaven's name does time go!
By:
HGS
When: 14 Feb 21 17:48
Cracking footage that. Thought it was Bartlett. How different he sounds now. Just look at the crowds. Happy
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