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Reading today's RP it appears the blame is being put on this lad's shoulders,which,I think is totally wrong.After watching the race live and numerous reruns ,the following has to be asked.Also his past misdemeanours are a separate issue as circumstances were totally different.
Were the first flagman's instructions clear? No
Was confusion created by the second flagman? Yes
Could the flagmen have made a better job of their intentions?Yes
As a race watcher did you know what was intended by the flagmen? No
Will the stewards pass the buck to Danny?More than likely
As danny said in his interview with Luke ,you are travelling at 35 mph,short straight at Newters,2 to jump and a guy is inside the rail waving his flag signalling something is wrong,but what?
Forget his previous,its not like a criminal's string of burglaries ,as there is a huge element of doubt here.
Interesting to read the forum's response(Forgetting any financial involvement in the race)
Were the first flagman's instructions clear? No
Was confusion created by the second flagman? Yes
Could the flagmen have made a better job of their intentions?Yes
As a race watcher did you know what was intended by the flagmen? No
Will the stewards pass the buck to Danny?More than likely
As danny said in his interview with Luke ,you are travelling at 35 mph,short straight at Newters,2 to jump and a guy is inside the rail waving his flag signalling something is wrong,but what?
Forget his previous,its not like a criminal's string of burglaries ,as there is a huge element of doubt here.
Interesting to read the forum's response(Forgetting any financial involvement in the race)
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havent seen the race but from what ive read on here and in the papers i think danny has had a bad deal just my personel oppinion
Backed the horse and didnt blame him at all. At worst, it was a mistake and unlike most on here i understand jockeys like all of us make mistakes, its all part of why they call it "gambling"
danny said
the flagman was shouting GO AROUND GO AROUND.
should just leave the lad alone now.
everyone makes mistakes.
im sure he will ride lots more winners in time. :D
the flagman was shouting GO AROUND GO AROUND.
should just leave the lad alone now.
everyone makes mistakes.
im sure he will ride lots more winners in time. :D
was his fault .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
If the stewards suspend him again,which will be a disastrous decision,it will cause serious damage to his career,so it becomes a very important issue.
In a court of law the jury has to be positive in their conclusion,there must be no element of doubt,which there most certainly is here.
In a court of law the jury has to be positive in their conclusion,there must be no element of doubt,which there most certainly is here.
Thought it was confusing too, whoever positioned the flag men was to blame
flag man should get the sack..whole field could have went round hurdle and then there could have been carnage.
I think a ban would be very harsh given the circumstances. It's not your normal case of a jockey not knowing the track, or the rules.
Hope they let him off, bad enough for him that it was on the big stable gamble.
Hope they let him off, bad enough for him that it was on the big stable gamble.
cost me enough...........good poster said he was there and they were callingthe flag man from his position realising wrong position etc.......................but HE couldent hear em
They should of used a different coloured flag to indicate that there was an incident ahead and to be extra cautious. It seems so outdated the system that they are currently using.
Well,thats it guys,a big majority of us forumites on the lad's side.
Sharp minds!
Let's hope they see the true picture.
Sharp minds!
Let's hope they see the true picture.
I had a substantial bet and tipped this on another site. I don't blame jock in the least - if the stwards had any guts, they would have exonnerated him there and then after seeing the replays.
in hell 25 Apr 10:04
was his fault .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
because the flagman standing waving his flag in front of the fence was shouting "go around - go around"
was his fault .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
because the flagman standing waving his flag in front of the fence was shouting "go around - go around"
should have traffic lights 74 yards before every obstacle.
He's been involved in too many of these incidents to have much sympathy for the chap, tbh.
Just to balance the discussion a tad.
If Danny Cook's actions were understandable, then why did EVERY other rider ignore his lead and jump the hurdle?
Jockeys are normally sheep and just 'follow my leader'.
Ask yourselves why they were able to make the correct decision?
If Danny Cook's actions were understandable, then why did EVERY other rider ignore his lead and jump the hurdle?
Jockeys are normally sheep and just 'follow my leader'.
Ask yourselves why they were able to make the correct decision?
Dan,every case is different,take into consideration the facts,not his past record.
maybe the leader was the only one who noticed the first flagman or heard him shout.
usually turning for home there the rest of the riders are watching each other.
usually turning for home there the rest of the riders are watching each other.
Rubbish loper,the guy that was in 3rd or 4th also went round!!
Boolllox, Unbiased.
The whole field jumped the hurdle correctly, except Nick Schofield who was pulling up.
The whole field jumped the hurdle correctly, except Nick Schofield who was pulling up.
Loper has a point. Maybe the poor lads head is totally shot over previous incidents. But the instructions were still unclear and I don't think too much blame should be thrown at the jockey. Banning him for a long time would shoot his confidence to bits.
he was closest to the outside of the fence
the others almost did follow him but were too late to change position.
the others almost did follow him but were too late to change position.
Surely if they meant for a hurdle to be missed, markers would be put up?
And Danny seems the only one to have heard this "Guy shouting"...
And Danny seems the only one to have heard this "Guy shouting"...
he was closest to the outside of the fence
the others almost did follow him but were too late to change position.
So they were closer to the flagman.
the others almost did follow him but were too late to change position.
So they were closer to the flagman.
To lay the blame at Danny's boots is a little unfair, as the racecourse staff and personnel were not quick enough to act to make the situation clear. Why didn't they doll the fence off with the arrows like they normally do instead of what seemingly appeared to be rushing a decision. This obviously caused confusion. Nevertheless, Danny is partly (and a big part of it imo) to blame as firstly, he should have jumped the fence as it wasn't dolled off. Secondly, why run towards the incident they were waving him away from with the danger flag? Why didn't he go around the fence the other way? Danny made a wrong decision but he was not helped by the lack of organisation by the racecourse staff. Just my thoughts.
Why would they doll off the fence, it was meant to be jumped.
Don't agree loper, others followed him but the realised he was wrong and jumped the fence.
The boy was clearly upset when Luke interviewed him I wouldnt want to be in that situation flags,shouting ,screens and trying to control a horse coming to a hurdle ,the system of communicating to jockeys clearly needs an overhaul
The rules are clear imho.
If a fence is to avoided, markers are placed in front.
No Markers, fence must be jumped.
If a fence is to avoided, markers are placed in front.
No Markers, fence must be jumped.
Just watched again loper,you were right ,the horse was not in 3 0r 4th, mid div.but only seemed to slow down after going round ,he was still travelling,then slowed right down as if pulling up,probably confused too.
Reading all the replies there is certainly confusion,and once there is confusion you cannot convict.
Reading all the replies there is certainly confusion,and once there is confusion you cannot convict.
I have little doubt Schofield made the same mistake. He seemed to see Cook going wide and get confused.
I think he was quick witted though to PU
I think he was quick witted though to PU
ear pieces ,mirophones,helmet cameras..that way the stewards can communicate with jockeys and we can hear and see if any **ing going on.
There is no reason on Gods earth to lay the blame squarely on DCs shoulders. Whole incident was a farce and for him to be tje only one under offical scrutiny is wrong
the day the jockeys get earpieces will be the end of betting IR.
" OK we've got the money on. now drop back"
" OK we've got the money on. now drop back"
they should also put a camera on the line,the same as in football.
So what was the purpose of the man waving the flag positioned on the inside rail?
I had a nice bet on it but in no way do I blame the jockey. Only people to blame are those with the flags in their hands. What were they doing and were they actually needed in this instant as the stricken horse was effectively on the chase course?
The whole affair should be investigated. There was a flagman, who is a course official, waving before the hurdle. He was waving the flag from a position behind the rails that indicated the jockeys should ride away from the rails. Had he not done that it is very likely Gaspara would have jumped the hurdle and possibly won. The course official should have been asked why he was waving a flag from his position before the hurdle as part of the stewards inquiry, and before Gaspara was disqualified.
It's totally unfair to blame the jockey for following the instructions of a course official.
It's totally unfair to blame the jockey for following the instructions of a course official.
So did the enquiry find Danny 100% to blame and everyone else blameless then? If so racing still has a big problem.
in all seriousness the stewards should take responsibility for this farce
The fact that he has go to London and attend the enquiry says it all.
Whats the odds on him taking the worng course and not making it to London??
What I find a bit strange is how he said the man waving the flag was shouting go around go around at the start. Yet no other jockeys heard this.
Though in todays article it appears someone has shouted not to jump the hurdle, though he says it wasn't another jockey, and he doesn't know who it was.
That bit seems a bit odd to me as he's changed his story. Think if he'd have just said look the guy was waving the flag and I wasn't sure so for safety reasons i went around on a course that I could see. Which I think would have been fair enough as there could easily have been another jockey layed flat out at the otherside of the hurdle or something else.
What I find a bit strange is how he said the man waving the flag was shouting go around go around at the start. Yet no other jockeys heard this.
Though in todays article it appears someone has shouted not to jump the hurdle, though he says it wasn't another jockey, and he doesn't know who it was.
That bit seems a bit odd to me as he's changed his story. Think if he'd have just said look the guy was waving the flag and I wasn't sure so for safety reasons i went around on a course that I could see. Which I think would have been fair enough as there could easily have been another jockey layed flat out at the otherside of the hurdle or something else.
Outpost 25 Apr 10:13
in hell 25 Apr 10:04
was his fault .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
because the flagman standing waving his flag in front of the fence was shouting "go around - go around"
and nobody else heard this and the rest all jumped the hurdle
in hell 25 Apr 10:04
was his fault .
cant see any defence for him myself , why did he ride towards the hazard .
because the flagman standing waving his flag in front of the fence was shouting "go around - go around"
and nobody else heard this and the rest all jumped the hurdle
y did the other jockeys go the correct way, 3rd time in a year come on cook defenders smell the coffee
Whats the odds on him taking the worng course and not making it to London??
Brilliant post
Brilliant post
FFS its very simple. If there is a hazard on one side of the course you position the flagman on that side to alert the jockeys and signal that they should go the other side. What did NA do? they positioned the flagman on the outside therefore the jockeys went inside, which is logical. The track officials are very lucky imo that there wasn´t a stricken horse/jockey lying on the inside of the hurdle where they were guiding the field.
Whoever was responsible for the flagmen should be held accountable not any of the jockeys.
Whoever was responsible for the flagmen should be held accountable not any of the jockeys.
I was at the meeting and backed Gaspara. When they were putting the screens up around the stricken horse there was real confusion amongst all of the officials on course. At one stage they dolled off the last hurdle which was passed the incident before realising that this was pointless.
All i can say is it is far easier to blame the jockey than to admit that the reaction to the incident was amateurish if not shambolic. But that would mean the stewards admitting that they and there systems were at fault, which is never going to happen.
All i can say is it is far easier to blame the jockey than to admit that the reaction to the incident was amateurish if not shambolic. But that would mean the stewards admitting that they and there systems were at fault, which is never going to happen.
a flagman was standing by the stricken horse pointing at danny cook not to go that way . danny cook ignored it
No - it's even simpler than that.
Black and yellow chevron markers (pointing in specified direction) in fence/hurdle is the specific trigger to bypass the fence/hurdle.
The chequered flag complements that process but the chequered flag by itself specifically means "possible hazard ahead".
Black and yellow chevron markers (pointing in specified direction) in fence/hurdle is the specific trigger to bypass the fence/hurdle.
The chequered flag complements that process but the chequered flag by itself specifically means "possible hazard ahead".
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