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If you follow the instructions of a course official why are you incompetent?
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There was another course official waving a flag directing him away from the screens around the stricken horse.
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One thing is for sure,that he certainly should not be banned or fined when he attends his hearing in London.Its the flagmen who were seriously at fault.The stewards must take the view that the flagmen DIDN'T do their job properly and were ill advised as what to do by the racecourse officials.The outcome will be interesting.
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I know its only a hurdle but he doesn't know what is on the other side of the jump (like the Chepstow race recently). He did the right thing
The rules have got zero flexibility so he had to be DQed Be totally wrong to ban Cook for it |
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Agree the jockey did the right thing and should not be banned.
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what about chepstow then , someone waved winner round fence and he kept it even though he did not jump a fence his oponents did and fell at
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There was no point in the flagmen waving flags, the natural line would not have taken the horses near to where the screens were.
The position of the flagmen was a joke and they caused the confusion. |
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I think Dannys record of taking the wrong course may have been a major factor in the disq, i couldnt imagine them doing it to AP
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ap would have had the flagman ejected for waving the wrong colours
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Cook must have strong grounds for appeal,the flagwaving was ridiculous and it's understandable how he may have been confused
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Seems to get confused a lot with flag waving
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was it a st georges flag being waved? would surely confuse if so.
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Flagmen at NA now position themselves behind the barrier cos they have nearly been mown down in the past when standing in the middle of the track. However, tonight in the middle of the track is where he should have been.
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I feel sorry for Danny cook here, he seems like a good egg. I hope the pipes keep faith in him. There will be plenty other days for them to get the cash back
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6 Month ban would be a complete joke.
One of them things that happens, common sense should prevail and its a complete joke if banned for that length of time. |
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and i hope some on this thread that are saying should get 6 month ban lose there wages when make a mistake in such circumstances.
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placed a yankee earlier today and left work early to take the kids out and just logged on now to check results and found this.
what exactly happened? needless to say my yankee involved GASPARA HURRICANE FLY REVE DE SIVOLA AVRIKA LEGIONNAIRE |
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Gaspara would deffo have won flags waved near 2nd last as horse behind screens between 2nd and last but was supposed to jumo 2nd last. WOn and dq for taking wrong course.
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^ I disagree.
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cheers soap.
just one of them things i suppose so, with my luck lately i am not surprised! still made a profit so onwards and upwards. tomorrow is another day :-( |
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sorry was 2nd and DQ but would have won without flag incident
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Soap How many times is he allowed to make the same mistake? Suppose some undesirable punter got hold of a jouneyman jockey and told him if he was riding a short price one to run out if hes in front going to the last, cos D.Cook has ran out 3 times now and got no more then a slap on the wrist. . .Where do the BHA draw the line...3 times hes done it hes cost punters 100s of thousands.
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Just think this time was so much uncertainty and do not think officials covered themselves in glory. I think regardless of 1sr or 2nd or 3rd time this was diff circumstances, and obviously is not as clear as you make out else why did people not snap up the lay at 2.3 available for 10 mins after race |
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From RP (sorry i contradicted myself!!) Gaspara (FR) 5/2F 7 11-1 b1 D E Pipe 107 * * b m Astarabad (USA) - Gaspaisie (FR) (Beyssac) Danny Cook3 Made all, bypassed 2 out, always holding on well, pushed out, finished 1st, disqualified and placed last (op 11-4) |
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^ Did you watch it Soap?
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thanks soap, just checked sportinglife myself as i was a little confused!
whatever way i look at it i still lose :-( no first past the post to help me either now think i won on ringsend rose that time so what goes around comes around |
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I dont think 1st past post applies in such curcumstances anyway
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Why dont you just post why it incorrect and stop being a fking pr1ck |
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you have to put this race in perspective, he had seconds to make a decision and unfortunately for him and the masses who backed the horse it was the wrong one. the flag waver before the flight, hanging over the rails didnt help but you have to remember it was caused by a horrible injury to the horse at that flight on the previous circuit. safety has to came first, for those who were involved in attending to the striken horse. in saying that you would think in this day an age there would be a better system in place to cover such an incident and i'm sure the course will take a hard look in the part it played today.
no doubt danny cook is suffering at the moment as are the punters who backed gaspara. he is a promising young jockey, his past record is not good but he was unfortunate today, that i have no doubt. i can fully understand and i hate using the word pocket talkers and how they are feeling but banning him for months is not the answer imo. hopefully this will never happen again, unfortunatelyfrom what is supposed to be the best racing in the world, i very much doubt this will be true. good luck tomorrow if you lost out today, hopefully a winning day on saturday. |
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I have massive sympathy for Danny Cook here. Some bloke waving a flag shouting at you in the heat of battle - why wouldn;t he automatically think "** - I can;t jump this!" -
How does he know what's on the other side of the hurdle? How does he know they have not had time to put out cones? Was the flag they were waving a different colour to one that means go round the next obstacle? He will get banned - but only because the BHA will refuse to admit that their system has a flaw. It clearly does. How many people knew exactly what was going on as they were watching that race? Ive seen hundreds of races for my sins - never seen a flag waved before a hurdle/fence that you were still allowed to jump! |
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The jockeys on the second, third and fourth were just behind him and it seems they didnt hear any shouting!
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good post the dealer
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The jockeys on the second, third and fourth were just behind him and it seems they didnt hear any shouting
I should rephrase that, that makes it sound as if he was up to skull-duggery. The jockeys on the second, third and fourth were just behind him and if they heard any shouting why didnt they jump to his defence and say "we heard shouting also but it was too late to do anything about it"! |
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Andrew King - the "LIVE" reporter at Newton Abbot on the Racing Post website.
This was his take on it for 20 minutes on the site after the event: "Confusion reigns at Newton Abbot" Errr...That was it. Very insightful - The Racing Post reporter had no idea what was going on. As did very few people for a long time after the race. Putting the boot in with his written report 2 hours later when it suits him! Quality journalism. |
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Soap, I wasn't trying to be a tool, I just thought that Tabaran might have won if Gaspara had jumped the hurdle, that's all. You can't always believe what the RP tells you.
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anyone think that the other jock who missed the last (nick schofield ?) has done a bit of quick thinking and went for the pulling up option ,no way was he pulling up imo and if there was two of them who made the mistake they would both have a better chance at appeal but he has quickly seen how foolish he was to follow gaspara ,only by chance i was taking a break from punting or that would have emptied me today ,feel real sorry for the backers though and perhaps there was mitigating circumstances for letting the result stand ,6 months seems severe for a split second bad decision made by one fearfull he might be about to make worse an injury/medical situation in front of him ,poor show all round and the only winners are the bookies .void race would have been a very fair result .
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My explanation is that racing for change have introduced linesmen into racing and he was actually flagging one of the runners offside.
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I don't see how that horse at Chepstow a few months back can keep the race and Gaspara gets disqualified for what are very similar circumstances.
The flagman messed up the jockey, pure and simple. Just because there were no barriers in front of the hurdle doesn't mean that it had to be jumped. There wouldn't always be time to put up barriers, say a horse looked like he was getting out of the way from the previous circuit but then collapsed. In a split-second decision you really have to obey the flag-waving and not the fact that the hurdle was not dolled off. The stewards have made a decision that the flagman was in the wrong and that young Cook should have known this and ignored him (I'm not quite sure how) and that the flagman was in the right in the Chepstow case. In both cases the jockey followed the example of the flagman. No consistency here. Yes, it is my pocket talking, I had laid back my stake here on the exhanges, so didn't lose on the race. But I still think Gaspara was hard done by. I think she had the runner-up well covered and lost a lot of momentum pulling around the flight and jumped the last poorly because of it. The jockey on the runner-up has said he heard shouting too. No consistency on the rules overall. People looking for a 6 month ban for young Cook are talking rubbish. A farce really. |
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"The jockey on the runner-up has said he heard shouting too."
and you believe this? He'd do anything to hide his incompetence. Let's face it, jockeys, like most sportsmen, are thick. |
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Huh?
The runner-up being the horse that eventually got the race.... Why would he make that up? |