DUNGUIB or HURRICANE FLY

I think Willie will have the Fly absolutely 100000% spot on for tomorrow personally.

h'fly should be fav but im not satisfied with supreme result and believe dunguib is the real deal!!he's the one for me!

gl

Too difficult a race for me , wouldn't be confident of picking the winner if you give me 6 choices tbh not at this time of the season.

just in..whats the best price on the fly pls?

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/punchestown/17:30

In a straight match up Dunguib..Even Mullins has said race fitness is a worry with Hurricane Fly

sorry mate wrong link......

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/2010-04-23-punchestown/17:30

If Hurricane is 100% fit, Dunguib will need to improve a stone plus on anything that it has achieved over hurdles so far. Dunguib ran a sound race in the Supreme Novices but ultimately had every chance and didn't beat horses which wouldn't be in the same league (at the moment anyway) as Hurricane. Dunguib will do very well to run into a place; and I don't think there'd be any shame in that.

was a shockin ride, covered an extra 2 furlongs in supreme and ran his race by the time jock had him to challenge!!dunguib will never be beat by gmooh or menorah again imo!!was the best horse in the supreme imo anyway, given a bad ride, plain and simple, u dont hold a horse up when theres no pace ffs!!that combined with the fact that gmooh and menor are above average themselves, was never gonna catch them!!tomorrow you'll see a different horse, if not, im givin up!

Dunguib will do very well to run into a place whatttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He looks nailed onto place...Dunguib is a freak of nature

Yoooo Ilwab. What do you think Barry is gonna do with Dunguib tomorrow in the likelihood of a modest gallop then?

Even more pressure on O'Connell tomorrow after what went on before, during and after Chelt.

on the ground surely punjabi should be on the premises?

brian:) if modest gallop i think he'll have him up with the pace and ready to challenge when ready!!i think hes very uncomplicated, yes his jumping is sh!te, lets be honest but the fact is it doesnt inconvenience him, thats the main thing!im pretty sure he'll win!!there i said it lol no fence sitting!!if he doesnt, ill accept it but just cant have it that menorah and gmooh are better than him based on his ride in supreme!if he isnt placed tomorrow ill accept the supreme result how about that!!

LOL.. I just wish that 'Brian' was more like Barry Geraghty.. obviously why I got mixed up. Am sure Barry wouldn't of given that ride at Chelt!

barry would have stuck to tactics just like any other jockey, brian had nothing to do with it. Brian also went on to have two good winners the next day also. any blame on him is unfair.

Anyway, I also believe Dunguib will win tomorrow, but to say his jumping doesn't inconvenience him is silly. It definitely inconvenienced him at Cheltenham at the last. Very, very slow jump. He wouldn't have won from there anyway, but if there's a few in with a shout and he jumps like that when he needs to be quick I'd be worried. Hopefully though when he jumps the last tomorrow he's the only horse in with a shout :).

haha!yeah no doubt!!i mean this is just an opinion, im sure there bundles waitin to lay him but just on what i saw, i think hes better than supreme result, but i can see the arguments against!!i think he'll run a stormer tomorrow!!i think only h'fly can beat him!

The thing is I don't think Dunguib can go a modest gallop. Isn't he normally keen, hence why they've been keeping him at the back behind other horses to try settle him. If he is at the front like you say, they won't be hanging around. TBH him running from near the front never seemed to do him any damage, I don't really understand why they need to switch him off.. jumps a lot better with daylight too. Can't wait for tomorrow anyway, am on the Fly ante post at 9/2. Talk that Dunguib might not run if too quick, which would be great for my bet.. but I'd rather him run, just for the spectacle of a fascinating race.

well of course it does inconvenience him, but what i mean is, if he wouldve been at the last with menorah and gmooh, regardless of how bad he jumps it, there is only one winner!!

fair enough, although I'm still not entirely sure I agree considering how short the run-in was.

I do too think he'll win very nicely though, so here's hoping we see what he's really made of! :)

extra 2 furlongs.... walofs

Yeah I don't want to blame Brian, I know he is following orders.. just think it's wrong that he has to follow the orders to the letter. Is he just a robot on a horse who they feed instructions to.. and they forgot to compute with him to be up with the pace if there was no pace. Or was it.. this is Chelt.. going no pace is unthinkable, so let's not bother thinking up that scenario. BTW I had backed Menorah and GMOOH. Just feel like the owner/trainer is actually riding the horse and not Brian.

see being held up with a modest gallop in most races and hes won but hes not taking on horses of similar ability so he cant afford to give them too much respect (a la supreme)...nice price, yeah h'fly massive chance, was my champion pick b4 injury, outstanding horse, dunguib will have to put in his best to beat a 100% h'fly!!

u back ccb today??

layed riverside for place, was afraid to with psycho when all the money came for him:) couldnt understand it, raging i didnt now!

figure of speech borntowin....obviously!!come on man, common sense please!

backed both ccb nd planet of sound at chelt, not this week though. :@

nice wicked, wd mate!!

LOL yes I did back CCB today.. 11/4 ante post.. what a mug I am. Funnily enough I actually managed to back him at biggest price he reached before the off at 6.6 though. But anyway lost over 100 from betting him Ante post instead of waiting.. silly me. Also had LYG 16/1 EW. Before that race, Done both Quevega at 4/1 and Bensalem at 16/1.. if only I bothered to do F/C's haha! My only 2 winners, other horses was abysmal before that. Was happy to finish over 230 up, as could of lost half a grand if nothing went right.

You do anything else today? And any other fancies for tomorrow?

Actually LYG at 20/1 with LB, nothing special either, was just a saver of £15EW. Was trying to working out who to cheer at the final fence, not that it ever makes any difference.. but you like to think it does ;)

BE SERIOUS FOLKS!!!!!!! Dunguib is a good horse, nothing more nothing less.Hurricane Fly on the other hand is a seriously classy horse and even without a run will still beat Dunguib.

I think you made the better judgement call in laying Riverside for a place though, he wasn't going too well at the time of his fall was he? But Psycho was still travelling strongly? So god knows what would of happened.

yeah backed quevega and fibs and flannel at bev,had a ton on wulfrida in the 3.00 at bev too, that was my best bet of the day but she was sweating badly and i was able to get my stake back b4 the off, came 2nd, will win nto, no doubt, was best horse in race, if anything, hayley gave he too much to do!!other than that, nothin much man!!

Neither.

but won't beat solwhit

Quevega is a beauty isn't she. If only women were as reliable, they could learn a thing or two from this filly - haha! Will have to keep an eye on that horse you mentioned, make sure you remind me next time it runs and if you fancy it. Am so out of touch with flat racing, feel like I'm falling further, and further behind. No fancies for tomorrow?! Surely not true.

i cant decide between the two

may just back both small stakes and enjoy the race, aslong as they both run WELL im happy as got both antepost for champ hurdle 2011

Sorry, I should say mare.. but she has the enthusiam of a filly!

At the moment I think that Hurricane Fly is a much better horse than Dunguib. The only doubt I have about him is his lack of a recent run. Dunguib was a victim of bad placement in a slowly run race at the festival, but I think the form is rock solid.

My bet though will be a little each way on Medermit.

super mare ryan

eirered.. Reckon she could beat Big Bucks in the world hurdle? Would love to see her have a crack at him.

EVERYONE on this thread seems to assume its a two horse race......what about the WINNER!!!!!.......VOLER LAVEDETTE

i like Quantitativeeasing actually!!havent had a bet yet but i think his last race was an absolute farce and will love the good ground!!will be nice and fresh too, think hes got a great chance, mccoy over hurdles too, no better man!!
havent looked at the flat yet but will have a bet im sure!!chabal running for godolphin, will be interesting to see how he runs!
you?

ryanwe...she has to have a great chance...i presume that'll be the plan

hardly go for the david nicholson again? still will only be a seven year old next festival so no rush i suppose

she ALMOST beat them on the bridle!!i was delighted watching her come up to last cantering, love to see that!!v impressive, wouldnt beat BB imo HOWEVER id prob just back the one ruby picks:) not that he always gets it right!

Well I shall put this seed of doubt in your mind Ilwab! The race Reve de Sivola was in.. was 2.23sec quicker than the Coral Cup later on the card in which QuantitativeEasing ran in. Obviously RDS only got beat 2l.. QE got beat 8l, and carried 7lb less. I like RDS a lot, and hopefully someone will go 3/1 in morn.. have to bet it compared to QE at 6/1, looks like that horse has a lot to find in my book. But GL anyway haha!

ya w anker LOL, yeah reve ran a good race behind PC form franked AGAIN by PC!!looks strong!

Well lads I heard Willie say that it's a definite possibility, would be a cracking match up if both fit.. as this years world hurdle was pretty disappointing in terms of challengers. I'd definitely take a chance with Quevega, she has an unbelievable attitude, settles so beautifully whatever the pace, makes it look so effortless. She is going to be one hell of a valuable broodmare surely. Get some Presenting Jigging it with her.. whoever the sire, throw Sea The Stars in. She is going to have some sexy kids!

Schickelgruber 23 Apr 00:30
EVERYONE on this thread seems to assume its a two horse race......what about the WINNER!!!!!.......VOLER LAVEDETTE

Considering that the thread is called Dunguib or Hurricane Fly it is fair to say that the majority of the content will be about these horses.

Voler La Vedette will not have enough pace in my opinion.

lhaha!yeah id defo give here a chance, after that display anyway, major chance but u kno BB hes just awesome but would be great to see a horse give him a race........for once!gives us better odds anyway!!

Dunguib
Philip Fenton, trainer: "We're more than happy with him and very satisfied with the ground after walking it yesterday. I will walk it again with Brian [O'Connell, jockey] in the morning, but the whole idea is to run and, bar the watering system breaking down, he will. He is ready for action and we will certainly be disappointed if he's out of the money."

Hurricane Fly
Willie Mullins, trainer of Hurricane Fly: "Hurricane Fly has been doing everything right at home these past few weeks. He will love the track and the ground but it will be a tough task for him having been off for so long."

rYANWE...have you taken into account Luska Lad is running in the race.He was as game as a pebble in beating Blackstairmountain and you saw what he did two days ago.

Not even sure why I bother reading Willie's comments, never gives anything away.. learnt a thing or two from AOB haha.

yeah its a full bank job for him to place i think!!i know they think hes a supre star, i remember reading after the supreme he said he didnt blame brian and that he was sure that BRIAN WOULD MAKE UP FOR IT lol....next time!

dunguib already beat LUSKA LAD 13L unextended!!!

willie said polmar the other evening

Yeah I respect LL.. but, thought he had quite a hard race, not convinced he will act better on this quicker ground than it with cut too. Plus I thought he was lucky to beat BSM who emptied like he had been shot final half furlong. LL will probably improve for step up in trip too, especially on the ground, in fact I would say he needs this trip on the forecast ground.. but think RDS form is stronger.

thell not see which way the hurricane went

again two fascinating races which will no doubt throw up loads of questions for next year

roll on.....

gl tomorrow...love these festivals...

10th race of season for LL too.. yet RDS only 5th start.. proven form at championship level at this trip on good ground.. deserves to be ahead of LL in the betting. Just my opinion though.

Are they both not hype horses iyo's?

he ALREADY DESTROYED LL 13 L unextended on heavy going!would be amazed if LL finished ahead of him!!!1.9 place dunguib looks decent to me, that what ill prob do, and maybe 50 on himself and h'fly to win!

Haha Ilwab, you know Dunguib and LL are in entirely different races right?! LL is against Reve De Sivola!

this is embarrassing!!! lol NO I DIDNT, i thought that was sch.. argument!lol dont mind me!

You are right though.. Dunguib at evens to get placed is pretty tempting.. even if he doesn't jump that well, has to have the biggest engine in the race.

:D :^0

Yeah Destroyer, they definitely do have a lot of hype surrounding them. Both their bubbles definitely pierced too, but not burst! HF definitely has to prove it against the seasoned pro's.. I just can't forget how impressive he was as a novice last season though, and I hope he proves how good he is.. just like CCB! ;)

luska tough as teak though

Punjabi could be the one imo. 13/2 Looks big, has an impressive course record and question marks about the first few in the betting.

Fly wins this battle IMO, different class the fly

amazed if not in 1st 3, hell i expect him to win if race is run to suit and even if not, once jock is tactically aware of whats happening he must ATLEAST place!!dont see punjabi and solwith worrying him tbh!!dont mean to disrespect them, 2 v good horses but i think dunguib better!

Voler La Verdette pour moi

2/3 at the course, cheltenham form looks rock solid, 2miles her trip, form against some top g1 hurdlers earlier in the season, trainer and jockey know exactly whats requied to win this.

9/1 1pt eachway

Punjabi and Dunguib should be the other way round in the betting! Dunguib just like at Cheltenham is priced up on hype!

i agree BB john but i still think dunguib better but based on form punjabi should be shorter and vice versa

I would have HF all day long over Dunguib at the prices! but still think Punjabi could beat them both.

Guess hype comes before actual performance in the betting though. Too many optimists in the gambling fraternity haha.

What price would GMMOH be in this iyo?

GMOOH*

I reckon 5/1.. definitely behind Dunguib anyway. Not that I think he should be mind.

5/1 3rd fav i think!i know he beat dunguib but i still think bookies would have dunguib ahead of him!!

Haha snap!

BBBBBBBbbbbbbbbbbbbOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm

To put into context how ridicilous Dunguib's price is, he is the joint 2nd lowest rated horse in the field yet he is joint favourite, granted there is potential improvement to come from him but there's no way I can have him in a race of this standard! That would be too skinny even if he had won at Cheltenham plus the ground likely not to suit!

BBJ would you of fancied Dunguib to win the Nov champ race though instead?

i agree jonh its too short on form but they price on potential!!i think ground will be fine, infact, presentings are be suited by good ground!!

Destroyer, what price do you think GMOOH would of been priced up yourself?

Funny enough I bet the winner of that race Blackstairmountain! Yeah I prob would of fancied him to win that race but would still of bet Blackstairmountain because Dunguib would have been such a ridicilous price that it would of meant even more value on BSM!

If Hurricane Fly is back to anywhere near what he promised to be then I expect to see an exciting champion hurdle battle at cheltenham next year between him and Binocular, although Binocular will rob get up the hill better than the fly!

ryanwe 23 Apr 01:17


Destroyer, what price do you think GMOOH would of been priced up yourself?

6/7 - 1.

But imo shoukd be much closer to the price of Dunguib, if not lower.

Dunguib came there to win the race at Chelters but colnt quicken imo.

Well BSM could of beat him I guess, clearly didn't run his race at Chelt. Could tell how disappointed Willie was as Flat Out finished in front of him.. will be a good horse next season anyway, novice chasing isn't he?

I don't really blame Dunguib for losing at Chelt though Destroyer. Don't really think there is that much separating the max speed of the top horses, just the difference in their ability to keep that speed endurance and not overstep their lactate threshold.. in which something Dunguib looked to have higher than other horses.. we'll see tomorrow if it's true. Just too far away at Chelt for me, can't let quality horses like GMOOH and Menorah get that much of a headstart.

I really can't understand Punjabi's price, with the ground how it is I fail to see how he is bigger than Solwhit, I can't see why Dunguib is shorter purely on form! The only horse I would have shorter possibly is Hurricane Fly but even with that horse hes had his problems been off for a long time and still to prove he is as good as he potentially has promised espesh on that Go Native form from a while ago.

nice bet for u on punjabi then i think

:D

I understand why Punjabi is bigger though, don't think he's shown form similar to that of last year. Definitely has to bounce back from poor run at Chelt. Think Solwhit has a legitimate excuse for poor CH showing with all that drama week before and has seemed pretty versatile with slow and strong paced races. Think people read too much in to Solwhit winning over 20f which would therefore make him not quick enough for 16f.. obviously not everyone thinks like this, but people do. Anyway GL with Punjabi!

Yeah I'm thinking about having a fairly decent wager on him 2moro. His form this season hasn't been the best that is my biggest worry. I might have a saver on HF as well.

fancy muirhead e/w, looked all over the winner at aintree too me, didnt stay imo,

should be a cracker of a race!

10/3 is a shocking price for Dunguib. Lay all day.

For those who question Hurricane Fly's fitness I would like to remind you all of Quevega going in Cheltenham. Similar sentiments from WM but when it came to it she was revved up to 99% for the day. I would go so far as to argue that his freshness actually gives him an advantage. Look at the way he hosed up in the novice event here last year after missing Chelt. WM will have him at the best he can get him and for me the question marks over the others make 7/2 an excellent bet. in fact fck it i'm lumping on :-)