Pontefract...Bookmakers ....1/6 the odds e/w men strike again.

I heard the on course office has been moved and is very much chaotic, due to lack of size and entrances.

name and shame these leeches

there were enough offering correct place odds for everyone to get on.Do you go on other forums complaining that different shops have different prices ?Use your head get the best deal,there were plenty of prices available above the price on here BEFORE commission and PC !!

im sure paul johnson and pat whelen could easily have managed to serve anyone who could be botherered to look for 1/5 th the odds :) (given todays crowd ) im not sure, why the public dont look round for best price instead of just betting at the first joint they come to !

it pretty simple - normal place odds - overbroke, 1/5th betting to 1 %. A few jumped up keyboard warriors should try it. this is peoples business - they pay tax and the levy on top of the BS they pay on business conducted on here. Get ovr yerself.

Corbie - it certainly is not simple. As a bookie you are faced with 4 choices.

1. Bet to correct place terms & pull in the win prices, thus "doing" the punter on the win half of the bet
2. Bet to worse place terms & get roundly abused for "doing" the punters & get called a disgrace
3. Bet win only & get abused by your potential customers who all want to be on EW
4. Bet to correct place terms & correct win prices & swallow the loss yourself. Everyone calls you a fine fellow except your family that you are attempting to provide for

Not easy, is it?

Its not the 1/5th.I object to,its the 1/6th.Even at 1/5th sometimes you can only bet to just over 100%,but that doesn't mean you won't win on the race.1/6th is definately extracting the proverbial,especially mid-week when the punters are fighting to be on,and books are using 3
computers to try and keep up with all the business...lol.

In such circumstances why don't punters just phone through their bets to one of the big off course bookmakers?

and because if you want to bet offcourse in tricky each way races ,you CANT have a bet !!

not usually,which would you prefer 16/1 1/4 odds or 20/1 1/5th ??

in my opinion betting to 1/6th on VERY bad each way races is sensible,you would be giving punters a choice.but as we know certain people are taking the p1ss !unfortunately the punters obviously dont like it ,so i and some others have stopped,by the way why has nobody praised the books who offer enhanced place odds ?one book offered better than standard on over 20 races at cheltenham !!you can now bet 1/4 frst 2 in FOUR runner races,1/3 first two 1n 5/6/7 ,1/4 odds in 12 and over stakes races,first 5 in h/caps over 25 runners,:) come racing !!!

i had a walk down to the 3rd ring easton racing 1/7th odds display hidden where are your ring officials

On course bookies havent got fobs to make up their income, so they have to bet to a viable percentage. The Gambling Commissions job was to bring in terms which were fair to all, most books adhere to this, just a minority giving the good ones a bad name.

I noticed threee books on the rails at Aintree offering 1/5 odds on 16-21 runner handicaps, Johnson, Cook,Hughes.The remainder were all offering the standard 1/4 and seemingly running their business, despite a non level playing field.However,what they are doing, is respecting the wishes of their customers. Any businessman who ignores their constant complaints has no eye on the future of his affairs. The voluntary code will come - and leading firms such as mine will sign up immediately, because I've always offered the standard, and strange terms such as a sixth disgust me, and to those who think 1/5 will suffice, I respectfully suggest to you - my friends, to remove those heads from the sand. When the flags arrive, you will be isolated and competing with the leaders will be untenable. Abandon exchange following - it's not pleasing your customer base, it's a cynical attempt to convey every penny out there onto betfair-daq

To be fair, the maths is all wrong at 1/4 1234 on 16-22 runner h'caps. 1/4 odds first 4 should be viewed as a concession on these races, not the norm.

I only ever bet to 1/4 or 1/5 and the only time I vary the terms from the old terms is these 16-22 runner h'caps. The reason is simply that I want to offer proper odds to my customers, not pull them in. The net effect is that they receive the same place odds but better win odds than if I was 1/4 1234. On this my conscience is clear.

ringlets paul johnson and joe chad mostly

not really an apt username unbiased :( as you well know you cant take a price in the on course shops,and they restrict you on the tricky races,and at sp you will be taking a smaller price anyway

moring daniels r u goig to beverley today on your new number?

The argument about "getting on at the old terms in the shops" is flawed. The prices conveyed to the shops are smaller than the vast majority of prices in the ring so they can afford to offer the old terms. The off course just need to get people through the door to play on their machines. Whether or not they make much money from horses is not as important.