BBC News right now - referendum on amount of council tax (conservatives)

It's an election they can say all sorts of sh1t ( tough on crime tough on the causes of crime was my favourite) and once elected just get on with the same old same old, just with extra taxes.

please god let UKIP get in.

If they said all council employees excessive PENSIONS will be halved, and then frozen per annum - that would save an absolute fortune ...

and free up an extraordinary amount of money for proper council services.

I hope they do not get in.

Cannot stand them nor the Lib Dems, make promises they know they cannot keep.

good god, UKIP actually made it onto the news....


PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE let them get in - we need to get out of Europe

Aether - the only promise they have to keep is to get us out of Europe

They are a bit too radical for my liking.

Although I do see the reasoning behind withdrawing from Europe.

radical how?

there are a damn sight more radical parties around

Withdrawing from Europe....

you think that's radical!?

that's not radical mate, that's essential

When did we agree to be ruled by Europe?. I thought we went into Europe for trading purposes not to be dictated to, i thought that was why we won the second World war.

exactly - and for a supposedly democratic country the handling of the vote over the Lisbon Treaty had more in keeping with a dictatorship!

I think that if the UK does ever withdraw from Europe the cons will outweigh the pros.

I mean the UK as an industry is severly battered. We no longer produce anything (not on the level that the country once did). The EU enables the UK to trade freely, we go out we lose that.

Although I do like the idea of bringing the Great back in 'Great Britain' I just think the UK in its current state needs Europe.

Yes our manufacturing base has suffered severe erosion in recent years - but why would we only want to trade with the EU? Don't China and America make everything we need anyway...
We don't gain from being in the EU these days - and the on-going open-door policy and the cost of rescuing Greece will make a bad situation even worse.

If the EU was ever going to work (and I'm not sure it ever was...) it was because a group of reasonably wealthy countries banded together - those days are long gone.

yyw - your sense of probablilities seems to have deserted you temporarily

UKIP have absolutely no chance of getting any semblance of power whatsoever

ive just had a kip thank you

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I didn't mean get into power; I meant get into Parliament. If they can manage just a handful of MPs then at least there will be a voice for an EU ref. I would imagine the BNP will also get some seats, and there are many EU sceptics so there is some hope that this issue won't be allowed to die.

i would never vote bnp i detest them but i am fully behind ukip , nigel farage is in a different league for straight talking .

well that's two votes guaranteed :-)

At least NF hasn't been quashed by Brussels, Nick Griffin seems to have made very little impact.

state of the parties before dissolution of Parliament

Labour 341
Conservative 193
Liberal Democrat 63
Democratic Unionist 8
Scottish National 7
Sinn Fein 5

re:UKIP will not win a single seat
BNP will not win a single seat


I agree ST - they're both likely to win a lot more than a single seat :D

Fancy a wager on this?

look at kinnock for example , total snout in gravy trough and you never hear of him but his expenses are astronomical . some of my favourite youtube moments are farage blackguarding the eu self preservation society full weight for their incompetence and corruption .

have you lost your marbles yyw?

I had you down as a very logical and realistic betfairian

Do the Tories intend abdicating from the responsibility and expense of running the country? Will we still have to pay for non functioning M.P's ?

c'mon then... stick your money where you mouth (keyboard) is :-)

Do you really believe that UKIP/BNP aren't going to get any MPs elected? You're far too intelligent to think otherwise ST. Call-me-dave is morphing into blair with each passing day... what other non-left wing party is there?

I don't want to take your money off ya hinny :)

actually if you fancy a bet on that, you should get some decent odds somewhere

a hinny! neigh, neigh....

hiding behind chivalry eh? anything to save two pounds :D

Agree Re : Withdrawing from Europe ( I always said 26 miles was never enough ! )

withdraw from europe
scrap trident
pull all our troops out of aghanistan
freeze all immigration

anyone who puts that lot in their manifesto gets my vote

Don't you have an y thing better to do!

what, better than trying to improve the country!?

withdraw from europe ;1) who is going to defend us in case of war .
2) our products will be so uncompetitive so uk plc will go bust .
3) the £1 pound against the euro and the dollar will go into freefall, forget about spanish holidays
Just a small number of problems coming out of EUROPE WOULD CAUSE.

Cuckoo Land.

1) who is going to defend us in case of war .

Why would you think for one moment that anyone in Europe would rush to our aid?

2) our products will be so uncompetitive so uk plc will go bust

And what's to stop us selling to other markets? Do you think the prices we pay now are so wonderfully cheap? Not when you take into the account the other costs of belonging to Europe. Familiar with Betfair's better odds :-) and the premium charge at all :-(
If we're getting such a great deal on prices - how come we buy so much from China?

3) the £1 pound against the euro and the dollar will go into freefall, forget about spanish holidays

Why will that happen? Look at the likely cost of bailing out Greece - what do you think that's going to go to any member state's currency? That's just scaremongering and you know it. As for Spanish holidays.... ffs.... we're fast losing control of our borders, our health and education system can't cope with level of immigration and you're worried about your right to have two weeks eating sausage and egg in blistering sunshine.



Just a small number of problems coming out of EUROPE WOULD CAUSE.

b0ll0cks

The British public wouldn't have the sense to vote UKIP.

Look at the last lot they voted in!

All they do is moan about them but do nothing about it.

BNP or UKIP winning a seat

PMSL

why are you PMSL?

just you wait sunshine... just you wait

yeahyeay ; The only solution for us to come out of Europe is to become part of the Unites States . Uk as a stand alone country , now the rest of Europe has formed is utter annihilation and poverty in this country taking us back 100 years . The Greek problem is been shared out amongst the community of Europe . You must look at the shape of Europe in 20 year time . The power house of China is a worry to the western world .

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Just think of the savings in benefits!

With Greece though, the current and previous Government have and are corrupt.

With the help of Banking companies such as Goldman Sachs they managed to 'lie' with thier books, no wonder they find themselves in the state that they do.

If they pull out of the Euro they can make thier own currency (no more Euro), they can print as much money as they want, and if they do, do this they can then pay off all the 300 odd billion they owe.

I mean look at a country such as America, it too is in a defecit however, why do they keep going? They print their own money, pay thier loans.

Those traits on the ladies can be seen as highly desirable to a chinese ,as they would be a novelty . But I feel the deal that the Chinese will drive a hard bargain and demand these girls have clinical test . Your export will fail at its first hurdle

but why would Greece leave now - they're not going to look a gift horse in the mouth are they?

Are you asking why would Greece leave the Euro now, considering all the money that they may get from them?

Aether , it is not corrupt . The Greeks hate paying TAX and will go to enth degree to avoid paying any Tax ,thus crippling the Country

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Tutan -

Tax be an underlying issue, however, the likes of Goldman Sachs helped Greece cover the deficit up. The state of chaos they are in now is due to the Government and thier corrupt ways.

re:Are you asking why would Greece leave the Euro now, considering all the money that they may get from them?


yes, I think Greece will stay in and get everything they possibly can... and in doing that it's obviously going to impact negatively on all other member states.

my goodness... a country that screws up their finances...


they'll be selling off their gold reserves and printing money next

When you look at Greece main money making export Tourism . The landlords in Greece all deal in cash when they rent anything , so the Government loses millions in revenue . It is now also happening in Spain and Portugal , Governments there are also falling short of revenue . You will see the Greek problem happening in Spain to a massive scale .

never mind Spain tutan - what about Portugal - ta :) ?

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Razmos , Portugal is on a much smaller scale to Spain but could be handled like Greece . The problem is Spain , if she gets into trouble it will make Lemans Brother failure look like chicken feed .

I would get a Special Tax force in those Countries that took no prisoners and go around each week collecting the Taxes like the Iron Age . Then , only then will things improve .

Tax is not the issue in Greece though. Why should the Greek people pay for the way in which their Government has acted? They got help from Goldman Sachs to cover up billions of debts, and now people are saying that the Greek people should pay more taxes to get them out of the situation they find themselves in, its rubbish!

Do any banks pay taxes? Lets look at Goldman Sachs again, last year they paid LESS THAN 1% tax, thats alot when you consider the ridiculous amount of bonuses croocked bankers get.

If Greece are to get help the deal will be drawn up by the IMF (World Banks basically). Greece are going to get help from the very people that helped them mess up thier country, which is plain stupid to be fair. The world banks will hold countries like Greece, Ireland, Spain ect... at thier mercy.

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Aether you live in cloud cookoo land TAX is the main issue . How is the Government going to pay it,s staff a reasonable wage . The safe is empty .They need to make sever cut backs and all the people do is riot on the street , which i do not blame them . A very hot tempered nation . I know 5 landlords who pay next to nothing , it is a huge problem .

The banks did not think tax was in BIG problem when they helped Greece cover their billions of debts up.

They had a similar problem in 2000, again banks involved, if it were so big a problem as you make it out, why then did these so called 'Bankers' inform the Greeks that they needed to sort their problems out.

They let them be, they hid the debts and pretended like nothing was the matter, until one day the situation got so severe that they now find themselves on the verge of bankruptcy.

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Aether ,The problem in Greece is not major the other European countries will sort it out . The fear is that other major countries coming for help . That is why the European community was formed to help one another . But if a large scale catastrophe occurs , we are then in the unknown .

Aether . If you look around the Irish economy is in a terrible mess .

It may be in a terrible mess, however, when all the P.I.G.(not sure why they are referred to as this) nations are effected Europe would be in a mess.

These being Portugal, Greece, Ireland and Spain. So far Greece are affected, next maybe Ireland. The thing is Europe cannot support them all.

Aether , Again the banks in Ireland at fault lending money to any tom dick and harry to buy a home and any tin pot business , creating a huge price inflation in house prices , now huge repossession are taking place. I think the two major banks Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish will be nationalized by the Dublin Government , all the poor people having share in these companies looking at huge loses.

Yeah at the end of the day it is the people who lose.

Bankers and bank managers never lose, they unleash themselves on the world they make it into one great big mess and then they can just take a holiday at an exotic island.

I have never trusted banks and I am completely against the ridiculous amount of bonuses that some receive. Although, I do agree with a person being rewarded for hard work they should also pay some means of tax.

I guess what has happened in Ireland is slightly similar to Greece, however, with Greece people don't pay taxes nor as far as one knows have Ireland hid debts.

I just wonder what will happen to the other nations.

Aether . A banker can not lose . They are playing roulette with people money , the call them venture capitalist , I call them vultures . If the company the bank invest into go up , they get huge bonus and a huge kiss from a kissogram . Now when the share prices of those companies they invest into go down , they just open the till and put more cash into them . Now that company eventually goes bust ,why is the banker who was paid that huge bonus , return that money for his failure . It is the people money and it does not matter . This year the head of Barclays take home pay will be around 60 million dollars and people on the ground floor been sacked , how fair is this . It makes my blood boil . UK interest rates are 0.5% and the Banks Credit Card companies charge 24%-45% ,who is the thief now .

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