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How about some national tales - i'm sure collectively we have some interesting memories ?
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An iPod ? Well there's a 33/1 chance to start the day ! I'm sure you don't need any advice from me !
luke ive got one bought it weeks ago but its to kin complicated i cant even find out how to make a telephone call on it yet
\i thought so i will still come and see you though all in the next few weeks
ok clairbear what year and stable it was in jockey and SP for a large prize?
Very difficult to make a phone call on an easter egg imo
required expert i phone teacher with patience of a saint
bolt correct but clair beat you a short head now u did get the captain right whos the jockey and sp
if i liked you bolthead id send you an egg - but sorry ill send you another loser if thats ok get on the henderson horse in the last at towcester have your goggles on it bolthead
clare clearly didnt google she.s a lady - no googles on her
Bruec Hobbs youngest jockey to have won it, but probably not youngest to have ridden in it.
The year ben nevis won i was in the stands next to some swnky chap with the biggest stetson this side of texas- when Ben nevis came out of the mist 40 lenghth clear he went potty knocked my binnoculars out of my hand threww this 5 gallon hat into the air. i said why the hell are you going garrity when everyone else was silent- he replied thats my horse limey
My personal fav moment - last year , driving home from a wonderful holiday paid for by wil hill. I live in 'ynys mon' -- last minute i picked mon mome (mon 'h'ome) . the skill involved mindblowing, i know.
The year before I chose a straight tricast came in 1st, 3rd and 2nd.
I love the grand nat. :)
The year before I chose a straight tricast came in 1st, 3rd and 2nd.
I love the grand nat. :)
Which present day trainer rode a 200-1 chance which fell at Bechers and less than a fortnight later broke their neck in a fall, never to ride again?
That one reminds me...
I wasn't your standard laddies cashier. I knew the price of every major sporting event that day (only a small number back in the late 80s) and of many of the horses and ante posts we had on our machine.
On national day I knew the price of probably 25 horses at a given time. It sped things up rather.
However one January I was working in Lambourn (A memory so distant now I can't even remember if Lambourn has an 'e' on the end) and some guy comes in asking for an ante post on a horse I sadly can't remember the name of now - If I'd known I'd need it on something called a betting forum 20 years later, I'd have paid more attention. I hadn't heard of it and couldn't find it on the screens, so I passed it to my manager who had to temporarily remove his feet from the table and put his coffee down. He had it easy before the racing started when I was on shift ;)
Anyway we decided between us that there was no horse of that name running so we phoned through for a price. We were informed that the horse wasn't running and I relayed the customer the sad news.
The reply I got was
"Of course it's running, it's my horse"
I wasn't your standard laddies cashier. I knew the price of every major sporting event that day (only a small number back in the late 80s) and of many of the horses and ante posts we had on our machine.
On national day I knew the price of probably 25 horses at a given time. It sped things up rather.
However one January I was working in Lambourn (A memory so distant now I can't even remember if Lambourn has an 'e' on the end) and some guy comes in asking for an ante post on a horse I sadly can't remember the name of now - If I'd known I'd need it on something called a betting forum 20 years later, I'd have paid more attention. I hadn't heard of it and couldn't find it on the screens, so I passed it to my manager who had to temporarily remove his feet from the table and put his coffee down. He had it easy before the racing started when I was on shift ;)
Anyway we decided between us that there was no horse of that name running so we phoned through for a price. We were informed that the horse wasn't running and I relayed the customer the sad news.
The reply I got was
"Of course it's running, it's my horse"
I dont wish to be pedantic but you will have to ask for the Egg back for Paine as the youngest rider in the race.
Payne was born in 25/7/1910 and rode in the 1928 race
Hobbs was born in 27/12/1920 and rode the winner in 1938
Payne was born in 25/7/1910 and rode in the 1928 race
Hobbs was born in 27/12/1920 and rode the winner in 1938
Which present day trainer rode a 200-1 chance which fell at Bechers and less than a fortnight later broke their neck in a fall, never to ride again?
No takers then!
No takers then!
which rider of a national winner died the quickest after wiinning.
Liam Treadwell when being interviewed by Clare Balding.
who was the national winner who whilst riding in a big race in France fell at the water jump in front of the grand stand and when the French booed him he dropped his trousers and had a** in the water
When asked why he did such a disgraceful thing he said
They should think themselves lucky as i wanted a cr p
When asked why he did such a disgraceful thing he said
They should think themselves lucky as i wanted a cr p
no its not brian marshall he rode ealy mist 2 years after his win in 1954 on Royal Tan rode in 1956 and although i do not know if he is still alive you dont win a diddly egg
Absolutely love this meeting and I was one of the sad people that bought a Red Rum bronze statue when they became available all those years ago , the National itself has stories to fill 100 threads such is the history and the Aldaniti story still doesn't seem real even now , the other great unanswered question for me was whether Andy Pandy would have foiled the Red Rum hat trick ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILNGO4XzSbg
I was advised many years ago to plant myself as near as possible to the first fence and experience something to remember , I did just that and the sight of 40 horses taking off within a few seconds of each other is still my most exhilarating experience on a racecourse and would advise anyone to sample it just the once.
great thread , love all the racing nostalgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILNGO4XzSbg
I was advised many years ago to plant myself as near as possible to the first fence and experience something to remember , I did just that and the sight of 40 horses taking off within a few seconds of each other is still my most exhilarating experience on a racecourse and would advise anyone to sample it just the once.
great thread , love all the racing nostalgia.
excellent answer clare- by the way Liam is the nicest fella in the weighing room- why is he not on mon mome again its not fair he should retain the ride - it was the finest ride around aintree ever seen - right around the inside gradually gained ground - beautifully presented at every fence - the horse didnt know it had a race.
hold up were running out of eggs -- theres only a small clutch- when the run out we will have to ask for volunteers !!!! has anyone layed one yet today please
shes barren she dosnt lay eggs - shes more the clair balding type -didnt you know
Is the answer to the 12.47 question John Burke,Lukehart ?
what was the greatest gamble in the history of the national ?
the answer who was the national wining jockey who died the quickest after winning the race,
In 1926 William Watkinson rose Jack Horner to victory
He was given £1000 a year by the owner in stead of a £4000 gift owing to his drink problem,
On the 17/4/1926 he fell in a Bogside chase and died twi days later.
he is berried at Ayr inn the winning colours. side by side with the jockey who got him the job sand was also killed whilst riding at Kelso,
cubone.co.uk Curse of Aintree.
In 1926 William Watkinson rose Jack Horner to victory
He was given £1000 a year by the owner in stead of a £4000 gift owing to his drink problem,
On the 17/4/1926 he fell in a Bogside chase and died twi days later.
he is berried at Ayr inn the winning colours. side by side with the jockey who got him the job sand was also killed whilst riding at Kelso,
cubone.co.uk Curse of Aintree.
ramsdon but it is hard to calculate bets from the mid 1800s.
non of Mincemeat Joes winners were massive in fact he never even paid the gift to brian marshall and got a crack on his chin for his cheak in the Adelphie
Having a £5e/w on Mon Mome @66/1 bog - Ecstatic on the run in Then doubly so when it returned 100/1!!!
thought joe tizzard was the youngest jockey to ride in the GN 17 years old on Straight Talk 1997 ?
What's great about the National is that the majority who place a bet develop reasons for backing like no other race , remember my dear old mum backing Different Class in 1968 because it was owned by her most favourite actor..............anyone remember who ?
Just to conclude the discussion from last night Hayden, I have looked for the ticket but I have boxes and boxes of stuff which are still unpacked from a move 3 or 4 years ago and it's not practical to dig it out.
I thoroughly intend to take a photo of it when it turns up though, I know which tin it's in, I don't know where the tin is.
I thoroughly intend to take a photo of it when it turns up though, I know which tin it's in, I don't know where the tin is.
dancing brave they were all 17 although Pain told a little lye and was only 16 hobbs was 17 so it is down to months i will have to see what year tizard was born to see if you have an egg to come
DB - looks like Bruce Hobbs was at least a fortnight younger than Tizzard when he rode. Tizzard born 13/12/1979.
I particularly like the statue of Dr Crippen at Aintree, disguised as Sir Peter O'Sullevan to try and fool the plod.
Always remember it Hayden from watching the race, remember another irish poster coming on a thread about it years ago said Gregory Peck came to his village near to where it was trained and all the ladys came out to swoon over him, obviously before he too came out!
final q. as my dinner is ready
Which area in the land threw up the most national Winning Jockeys ?
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will be testing the new ipod this afternoon and reporting
Which area in the land threw up the most national Winning Jockeys ?
cubone.co.uk
will be testing the new ipod this afternoon and reporting
Bruce Robertson Hobbs (December 27, 1920 November 22, 2005) was an American jockey and horse trainer.
Born on Long Island, New York, Hobbs became the youngest jockey ever to ride the winner of the English Grand National when successful on Battleship, a son of Man o' War, in 1938 just three months after his 17th birthday. Two weeks later, Hobbs won the Welsh Grand National on Timber Wolf. At the end of the 1937-38 season, during which he rode 35 winners, Hobbs made history by becoming the first jockey to win three Grand Nationals in one year, being successful in Long Island's Cedarhurst version.
A crashing fall in 1938 resulted in injuries including a broken spine. Although told he would never ride again, he returned to the saddle, but turned to training horses at age 25.
Hobbs retired from racing in 1985. He died in 2005, aged 84.
Born on Long Island, New York, Hobbs became the youngest jockey ever to ride the winner of the English Grand National when successful on Battleship, a son of Man o' War, in 1938 just three months after his 17th birthday. Two weeks later, Hobbs won the Welsh Grand National on Timber Wolf. At the end of the 1937-38 season, during which he rode 35 winners, Hobbs made history by becoming the first jockey to win three Grand Nationals in one year, being successful in Long Island's Cedarhurst version.
A crashing fall in 1938 resulted in injuries including a broken spine. Although told he would never ride again, he returned to the saddle, but turned to training horses at age 25.
Hobbs retired from racing in 1985. He died in 2005, aged 84.
In 2001 National I backed a 50-1 shot which had the race been run tomorrow would have won me a tidy sum
What was the bet???
What was the bet???
Battleship was the first American-bred to win the race; the smallest horse to win it; and the last entire horse to win it. He sired a couple of decent 'chasers' in the US.
Another year, likely in my teens, I'd backed "Over the Road" at some longish each way price, I seem to remember it placed one year, though I couldn't tell you if it was that year.
At around halfway, the commentator was rattling off the list of names while I was still trying to find my horse in the pack, possibly armed with the colours out of the racing post, but more likely out of some tabloid rag. The usual "In the lead is...., just behind comes..... and in third comes... (then about three more names).... and Over....(my happy little face looks up) ......... to Peter O'Sullevan
ffs springs to mind
At around halfway, the commentator was rattling off the list of names while I was still trying to find my horse in the pack, possibly armed with the colours out of the racing post, but more likely out of some tabloid rag. The usual "In the lead is...., just behind comes..... and in third comes... (then about three more names).... and Over....(my happy little face looks up) ......... to Peter O'Sullevan
ffs springs to mind
kpf
Looks like a bet to do do with number of finishers , only 2 finished and now we have the cannot remount rule ?
Looks like a bet to do do with number of finishers , only 2 finished and now we have the cannot remount rule ?
unlucky , doesn't bear thinking about if a horse falls when clear at the last on Saturday and horse/jockey are standing next to each other but can't remount...............would be a good one for any future Hamlet adverts
my favourite grand national moment was bomb scare year only 2 races to lose money and trying to get transport home when p1ssed is fun i can tell you we got home 125 miles at 11.45 pm 3 trains and a bus. what a laugh that day was and now i can say i was there, i dined out on the story for weeks got home and was on the phone for 2 hours talking to family members who thought i was stranded in liverpool
A very famous Grand National Jockey was so pleased with the gameness of the winner he asked if he could have the horse after the owner finished racing him.
What did he want the horse for,,,????
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What did he want the horse for,,,????
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It is a bit to difficult for you as it was in 1843
Tom Olliver rode Vanguard and was given the horse after it retired
Olliver rode it a Taxidermist and made him into a settee.
Tom Olliver rode Vanguard and was given the horse after it retired
Olliver rode it a Taxidermist and made him into a settee.
what horse was pulling a cart in a field in Donegal 3 weeks before winning the grand natiional between the 1st and 2nd world wars ?
ust a little footnote
Jem is berried in the nxt row to our own Dodger Mcartney in Kensall Green
In the cemetary are
Admiral Rous and Lord Hastings "Mad Harry"
Jem is berried in the nxt row to our own Dodger Mcartney in Kensall Green
In the cemetary are
Admiral Rous and Lord Hastings "Mad Harry"
i remember dodger at Ascot in the 70s there was a 3 horse race one was well odds on-- the other 2 were out with the washing 3 mile novice chase.
Jack Cohen was doing his norm he bet the fav wins by the distance he bet evens under 15 lenghths evens over 10 lenghths 6-1 he finished alone. And thought he was going to clean the green ones -
Dodger flew over like a bat out of hell his glasses wobbling and asks Jack for a 1000 to 160. jack to the bet and scrubbed the board puts up 5-1 dodger asks for 1000 - 200 cohen takes it and went 5-4 under 15 lenghths 5-4 over no offer the fav finishes alone.
Of course the 2 rags didnt get past the 5 the fence.
Wheb he went to collect 50 bookmakers clapped him back to jack cohens joint
Jack Cohen was doing his norm he bet the fav wins by the distance he bet evens under 15 lenghths evens over 10 lenghths 6-1 he finished alone. And thought he was going to clean the green ones -
Dodger flew over like a bat out of hell his glasses wobbling and asks Jack for a 1000 to 160. jack to the bet and scrubbed the board puts up 5-1 dodger asks for 1000 - 200 cohen takes it and went 5-4 under 15 lenghths 5-4 over no offer the fav finishes alone.
Of course the 2 rags didnt get past the 5 the fence.
Wheb he went to collect 50 bookmakers clapped him back to jack cohens joint
I was dodgers part time taxie if I was going to southwell
and he fancied something he would jim a lift.
And also Cartmell we had some great journeys. to there. were we would stay over at hexham
and he fancied something he would jim a lift.
And also Cartmell we had some great journeys. to there. were we would stay over at hexham
luke he loved going to take on Dave pipe and the boys down at newton abbot and exeter in august -- he was a card with a million stories.
Him and the Asparagus kid had a running battle for over 10 years to out do each other they could stand by the little Rails area at Worcester and be like the best double act on any stage.
Thye would have all the other bookmakers and many punters in stitches.
Thye would have all the other bookmakers and many punters in stitches.
Dodger loved to bet in the west country and the midlsnds - in fact i think the last time i saw him he had just come out of Cheltenham General where he was very sick - i remember him telling me the doctors and nurses patched him up like a 13 year old chaser and put him back into training. I think at the time he was living near Chepstow.
Many years ago my father and i were having a busmans holiday and were at Ludlow Dodger Came over and asked what we knew after telling us he was not that interested in anything. The bookmakers chalked up for the novices chase and he stopped in mid stream flew down the front row like a whirlwind and had altogether a 5000-2000. on Fred Rimels novice chaser making his debut in a 3mile chase with |Terry Biddlecome on board the beast started @ 6-4 then went on to win the gold cup 2 years later I wonder if anyone knows what his name was ? anyway after the race I my dad said Dodger I thought u didnt fancy anything - he replied Im not kin telling you am I your a bookmaker ffs
Many years ago my father and i were having a busmans holiday and were at Ludlow Dodger Came over and asked what we knew after telling us he was not that interested in anything. The bookmakers chalked up for the novices chase and he stopped in mid stream flew down the front row like a whirlwind and had altogether a 5000-2000. on Fred Rimels novice chaser making his debut in a 3mile chase with |Terry Biddlecome on board the beast started @ 6-4 then went on to win the gold cup 2 years later I wonder if anyone knows what his name was ? anyway after the race I my dad said Dodger I thought u didnt fancy anything - he replied Im not kin telling you am I your a bookmaker ffs
Well Dodger is in good company Grand National winning riders, leading administrator of the Horseracing world, and non other than the bigest loser in racing history.
Admiral Rous, had started as the anti post assessor like Smith is now,
The Admiral openly admitted that he kept one for himself, that
meant he would see a 3 year old with mass,s of scope and improvement and back it to win a small fortune and if he got on he would give it something silly bottom weight. for the Big Autumn Handicap like the Cambridgeshire.
If some one stole his thunder as he would call it he would give it a stone more than it deserved.
On Simons other side he problem wont get much out of Mad Harry,,Lord Sefton after all he hated the game at the finish, he was in a period when anyone could be a backer or layer, (Like today)
He was such a snob that he had a private war with a fellow Gambler, taking every bet he and any other wanted.
unfortunately the man had a right ace up his sleeve, a Derby Winner.
So Dodger will be able to talk to them all as he knew more than many about the Sport of Kings.
RIP My Friend.
Admiral Rous, had started as the anti post assessor like Smith is now,
The Admiral openly admitted that he kept one for himself, that
meant he would see a 3 year old with mass,s of scope and improvement and back it to win a small fortune and if he got on he would give it something silly bottom weight. for the Big Autumn Handicap like the Cambridgeshire.
If some one stole his thunder as he would call it he would give it a stone more than it deserved.
On Simons other side he problem wont get much out of Mad Harry,,Lord Sefton after all he hated the game at the finish, he was in a period when anyone could be a backer or layer, (Like today)
He was such a snob that he had a private war with a fellow Gambler, taking every bet he and any other wanted.
unfortunately the man had a right ace up his sleeve, a Derby Winner.
So Dodger will be able to talk to them all as he knew more than many about the Sport of Kings.
RIP My Friend.
Think the Rimell horse was likely to be Woodland Venture just coming out of the Arkle domination , without looking it up only remember 2 Rimell gold cup winners and not sure if Biddlecombe was still riding when Royal Frolic won the race , 1976 was well remembered for John Burke winning the gold cup and National in the same year , great achievement.
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