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A good set of entries but with the ground going to be like a road there will surely only be about 5-7 runners.
Ombudsman was very impressive at Ascot and is a worthy favourite but too short for me to have a bet.
I don’t like Sosie on the ground, also not sure her French firm is all that.
White Birch and Almaqam will surely swerve it if past history is anything to go by.
Judging from the market on here Ruling Court looks a doubtful starter.
The market also suggests that Camille Pissaro is the Ballydoyle number one. Done nothing wrong this year but got a dream run in the French Derby and not sure about him on very fast ground.
I prefer the claims of Delacroix who lost all chance in the Derby when badly squeezed up after two furlongs. This looks his trip and ground but 12/1 on here makes me worry he won’t show up.
The other three year olds are Hotazhell, but he might be doubtful given what the trainer said about not wanting fast ground last week, and Stanhope Garden who ran well in the Derby and is by a fast ground Eclipse winner and has shown a liking for quick conditions.
I had a tiny bet on here at 33/1 on Sunday and will go in again at 25/1 each way 1/5 1,2,3.
Ombudsman was very impressive at Ascot and is a worthy favourite but too short for me to have a bet.
I don’t like Sosie on the ground, also not sure her French firm is all that.
White Birch and Almaqam will surely swerve it if past history is anything to go by.
Judging from the market on here Ruling Court looks a doubtful starter.
The market also suggests that Camille Pissaro is the Ballydoyle number one. Done nothing wrong this year but got a dream run in the French Derby and not sure about him on very fast ground.
I prefer the claims of Delacroix who lost all chance in the Derby when badly squeezed up after two furlongs. This looks his trip and ground but 12/1 on here makes me worry he won’t show up.
The other three year olds are Hotazhell, but he might be doubtful given what the trainer said about not wanting fast ground last week, and Stanhope Garden who ran well in the Derby and is by a fast ground Eclipse winner and has shown a liking for quick conditions.
I had a tiny bet on here at 33/1 on Sunday and will go in again at 25/1 each way 1/5 1,2,3.
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Looks like a great race full of intrigue as the generations do battle.
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Can see the angle on Stanhope through Tornado Alert ;)
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Re: Sosie and the ground, he wants it good not soft, it’s why they are making hay. His targets have changed somewhat to what it was after last years Arc.
Fabre after the Arc: “All three are fine after the race. It was probably the ground which stopped Sosie,” said Fabre. “He lost his action at the end but he ran OK. We knew he might not like the ground. “He will stay in training as a four-year-old and we’ll concentrate on the big summer races such as … He’s bagged the two G1’s in France earlier this season and surprised them by having the pace to do so. |
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His comments re ground going into the Arc:
"He’s very good at Longchamp but I think this horse would be very good anywhere, it’s just that the races we have chosen have been at Longchamp and it seems to suit him very well. "Obviously, the course and distance form is very important when you are going for a race like the Arc." Fabre was of the opinion earlier in the season that good ground was crucial to Sosie but as the colt has strengthened up, he now believes he can cope with softer ground better. He said: "He is bred for a mile and a half, so we were working backwards from those races earlier in the season. "I didn’t have him 100% fit for the Prix du Jockey Club, as he was a bit backwards, but it is no surprise he has improved as he has stepped up in trip. "I do think he is a better horse on good ground but as horses get older and mature, they are able to cope with softer ground better, but like everyone I would prefer a good surface. You never know with Longchamp, last year it was quick ground for the Arc. "I think it’s a very open race and I think he deserves to be in the first three. Whether he can win is another question. I think the generation of three-year-olds is not exceptional this year." So it seems they were happy to take their chance and hope for the best. |
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Also found this re: Sosie
"The Wertheimer brothers were keen to run him in the Eclipse, so we had to test him over the shorter distance, so the option was the Ispahan," said trainer Andre Fabre. "I was delighted. For a horse that is able to run a mile-and-a-half and over, to have speed enough to beat those nice horses, it's the best we could expect." The owners' racing manager Pierre-Yves Bureau added: "We had that slight worry about whether he has enough natural speed for this and 1,850 meters (between 1 1/8 miles and 1 3/16 miles) is a different game to when he won the Grand Prix de Paris over 2,400 meters (1 1/2 miles) last year or even the Ganay the other day. "Maxime rode him quite forward and set about the leaders early enough because he's a horse that needs to be wound up, but he's just a very good horse. "He's a magnificent horse to look at who is now physically mature and, while it's a middle-distance family, his dam won over a mile." Seven Ganay winners had run in the Prix d'Ispahan previously this century, and only Cirrus Des Aigles in 2014 had completed the double. He’s being campaigned like Fabres best, they run over a mile and or a mile and half. Think of Persian, King, Intello, Manduro… His form is being partly being downgraded by the run of Map Of Stars but he wasn’t far behind Ombudsman when they met at Longchamp 1 L 3/4 Supercooled trained by Fabre even closer. |
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Was there for the great one in 1968 , Royal Palace chinned Taj Dewan (ridden by Frankie's dad ) with Sir Ivor in third getting going too late .
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Any thoughts on this years race?
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Camille looks very weak on here think because Aidan says Ryan likely ride Delacroix
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Here we go waiting for Ryan …. ‘Zzzzzzz
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ponchoslament’s Fancy for the Eclipse IS………….
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hopefully it wont cut up too much!
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Want to do Stanhope gardens e/w 3 places as it's deffo going to cut up but do we know if it's a definite runner ?
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Confirmed runners and riders for the Coral-Eclipse at Sandown on Saturday with six going to post
Coral-Eclipse runners and riders Ombudsman William Buick Sosie Maxime Guyon Camille Pissarro tbc Delacroix tbc Hotazhell Shane Foley Ruling Court Oisin Murphy |
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surely jockeys should be confirmed by final decleration, this is ridicilousn ,
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I’m wondering if Soumi will come in for the ride aboard Camille? Has played a big part in this horses development and as he just wins by a little he may be underestimated.
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If he does it adds further intrigue and you’d wonder if you can rely on Moores pick. Soumi rode Vedini much like the way Camille is played so is an obvious pick for me.
Delacroix was never put in the Derby, talk of being bulked was BS! They say the truth comes to light, just needs time. |
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Confirmed runners and riders for the Coral-Eclipse at Sandown on Saturday as Ryan Moore's ride is revealed
icon 2hrs Britain Coral-Eclipse runners and riders Ombudsman William Buick Sosie Maxime Guyon Camille Pissarro Christophe Soumillon Delacroix Ryan Moore Hotazhell Shane Foley Ruling Court Oisin Murphy Sing it Cilla - Surprise Surprise!  From same article: “Ryan Moore chose to ride Delacroix in the Derby and is staying loyal with the Dubawi colt, with Christophe Soumillon booked for Camille Pissarro.” So he’ll go forwards as @ Leopardstown (with Rulling Court also likely) with Soumi tracking them all… |
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There’s an article on the post this morning entitled Why This Horse Can win….
They select 5 of the 6 runners!  Can you believe it?! Head in hands man! “I was looking forward to seeing Almaqam, but Ed Walker didn't declare him on Thursday morning due to the quick ground and I'm now looking elsewhere.” I find that when you do that it normally doesn’t pan out good as you’re looking for looking sake. Just heard lots of rain forecast!  |
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The three horses in the Eclipse line-up who can give Ombudsman plenty to think about
Robbie Wilders helps you steal a march ahead of the weekend's big race Published on 1 July 2025 That’s helped narrow it down! Some Ante post selection(s) for a race on the 5th! |
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I was unaware rain is expected. If rain did materialise the shortie and Camille Pissaro for me.
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A small Possibility of light rain.
Should not impact the going much. |
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will india declare even with a lead of 500plus ?, gill wouldnt risk losing this one, , if india get bowled out for 300 or less, forget the draw imo, will rain interrupt, in simple i havent a clue how this is going, , i reckon eng will trade shorter, india longer ,( and draw longer and shorter_
, i m going draw with some rain interuptions |
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haha oops that was suppose to be on ceicket forum
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Annoying that Stanhope Gardens isn’t running so had to take a fresh look at it.
I expect Moore is on Delacroix with a view to try to lead and make it very slow as that will maximise both his and Camille Pissaros chance. At the current odds I’d rather back CP. Ombudsman benefitted from coming off a suicidal pace in the PoW so might be vulnerable to such a scenario. Likewise Sosie wants a well run race and maybe they will try to make all, though I still don’t think he’s top class. Ruling Court was very disappointing at Ascot, similar to his run at York last year, never looking happy before or during the race. He is bred for 10f so if in the right mood he could be dangerous. And that leaves Hotazhel who is the rank outsider but has similar form credentials to the other three year olds and it is interesting that Jessie chooses to run here. So for an interest I’ve dutched the three outsiders.  |
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There's been money for Ruling Court (10/1 -> 13/2), but Camille Pissaro has taken a walk into the wilderness.
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He was always going to Impossible with Moore on the other.
Ruling Court opened at 20/1 |
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There’s a reason for why he’s being backed
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fancy Delacroix from the front - to me looked like they went too fast as royal ascot and Ombudsman was flattered
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Sosie the best horse but ground too fast never heard of a french horse liking it rattling
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Vision D’Etat to name one of many that loved it.
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The market is a little strange with the weakness of the favourite, as a result of which most of the others have tightened up, with no one horse being favoured.
At the current price on Ombudsman of 2.68 and with ratings giving it around 5lbs edge, this warrants a value bet on the most likely winner. This may be a case of punters just looking to take on the favourite in a big race which is too short for most people. If there is something amiss I don't know what that might be other than the horse not having fully recovered from Ascot but I trust that the Gosdens wouldn't run him if he hadn't. Strictly on form he is an odds on chance for me. |
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Seems from looking at Gosden on track with a jock that he doesn’t look happy with the ground. Lots of gesticulating and stick prodding! Even looked like he said - how is that? in between pokes….
Only had 1 .5 mil of rain but Chapman says they’re calling it good in the straight. |
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Yes it could be the ground factor but it was very fast at Ascot and it is an uphill finish too which helps offset effect of firm ground. Its a massive prize so a big decision either way.
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Funny Soumi walking the track with AOB alone… wearing a rainbow on his cuff! Can sport not be immune to politics?
I think he believes water has been put on Sandown. |
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Delacroix was my Derby bet. He obviously ran well below form on the day. I said he ran a strange race at the time but I hadn't noticed the interference, referred to by O'Brien, where he was definitely squeezed out. That said, I didn't see enough from him later in the race to blame that alone. On reflection, I had got carried away with the impressive finish he showed in his trial, but that was off a slow pace. I had been underwhelmed with the other trials and was guilty of seeing what I wanted to see, a possibility I mentioned before the race. It may come back to bite me but I won't be backing him here.
I have to admit that Sosie could be a horse where I haven't got a true handle on his ability this year, due to the way his races have been run, slow early, fast late, but the bare form leaves him a fair bit to find. I read that the RP have rated Ombudsman better than any POW winner of the last 10 years. Must say I find it baffling that beating Anmaat by 2 lengths puts him ahead of the likes of Poet's Word and Crystal Ocean, but each to their own, etc. That said, I reckon the talk of him being flattered by a pace collapse has been greatly exaggerated. It's true some did go too fast but Anmaat didn't and he beat him decisively. Ombudsman wasn't just staying on past trees at the finish, and, even though horses are often flattered when it appears they were going away at the finish after not getting a clear run, I think it's pretty likely Ombudsman would've won by further with a clear run. I'm with Sandown here in believing that Ombudsman has an odds on chance so I've backed him. |
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Unlucky Figgis and Sandown, not the greatest ride by Buick and might have just come too soon. That hill has got him twice now.
Nothing went as planned in terms of who I’d thought go forwards, even more so seeing how the races were won earlier. Strange that AoB is back to saying they’re all milers again! Thought he’d given up that shat talk of oooohh they have sooo much speed!  Conversely Gosden felt the best horse that stayed won. Goyen said Sosie didn’t handle the track, ground wasn’t an excuse, he stumbled early I noticed. |
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Bite me it did. Delacroix looked every bit as good today as he did in his trial. Although, in truth, I was never going to back him today after the Derby effort, but very annoying for him to be the one to spoil the bet. As often with the O'Brien yard, the market move indicated he had very worked well going into this. The race wasn't evenly run, but, in my view, unlike the Guineas, it wasn't unevenly enough to affect the result. The best horse on the day won, particularly as Ombudsman had first run on Delacroix but the latter finished better. Although at the same time it has to be noted that even when horses have equal ability one of them might be more suited to a sprint finish than the other. Delacroix had already proved he could quicken impressively off a slow early pace in the Derby Trial.
I have Ombudsman 2lbs lower than at Ascot, but basically he ran his race. I don't expect horses to run exactly to the pound. I can't rate today's Eclipse up with the better renewals, as, for me, despite the RP going high on him I still don't have Ombudsman yet running to a benchmark Gp1 figure. It's a grey area whether the form would've been higher given a faster run race. Possibly Delacroix would've won by further, but we also might have seen a better version of Ombudsman. At the moment I'm keeping an open mind but sticking to taking the race at face value. A good performance from the winner but not up with the really top 3yo winners of this great race. |
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There’s some very interesting comments via a different news source.
“I couldn't believe what was happening,” confessed Aidan O'Brien. Delacroix traced an extraordinary straight line to catch Ombudsman in the very last strides, before edging him by a neck at the post. "Ryan's (Moore, his jockey) plan was to animate, since he always thought it was a miler, but obviously others had the same idea. He told me he had to change his plan four times during the race. If Ryan Moore changed his plan, it was because Maxime Guyon had had the same idea as him and had placed himself in the lead with Sosie to set the pace. Hotazhell also sought a position at the front, while Christophe Soumillon, riding Camille Pissarro, was content to wait in the second half of the field. In the straight, all the starters apart from Delacroix looked capable of playing a role at the finish, which makes his victory all the more impressive. “It really wasn't simple,” explained an unusually smiling Ryan Moore on his return to the scales. "I wanted to go to the front, then I thought if I went, everyone else would go too, so I took it back. Then I found myself very far away and stuck. I had to wait before I unhitched him, and then he produced a very fine burst of speed. He's a son of Dubawi and he doesn't like Epsom. Today, the race was won on his speed. It wasn't until 100 metres from the post that I thought I was going to win." The son of Dubawi and Tepin, who finally signs his first Group I, didn't like Epsom, while last-placed Sosie didn't appreciate the undulations of the Sandown track. “The track is very hilly and he was never balanced,” explained his very disappointed jockey Maxime Guyon. Christophe Soumillon was also disappointed, but for different reasons: “He lost his iron going into the straight and that cost me the win”, he said. Trainer Charlie Appleby, on the other hand, was delighted with third place for Ruling Court, who will now set his sights on the Prix Guillaume d'Ornano (Gr. II) at Deauville on August 16. Lots of different opinions and insights into a wild race. |