Juddmonte International...

Try My Best
That is a gold medal to you for aftertiming.
You are a Ballydoyle fan boy, shouting the odds when they win.

"We" were just telling the truth

You are a Ballydoyle fan boy, shouting the odds when they win

Noticeably absent pre-race. Predictably absent when they're stuffed

like a teenage girl drooling over a boy-band

Calandagan, ran a fine race to get within a length. I have him up 2lbs from Ascot, but he's just not quite a proper Gp1 3yo. So, a solid winning performance but, for me, it was more Roaring Lion than Frankel

Yet. He might well become a  G1 winner Figgis because of the improvement that he showed. It was a better run over the 10.3f than the 12f at Ascot but I wouldn't draw the conclusion that it was the trip that brought about the improvement (where he also improved). On ratings, not much between him and COT.

He might well become a  G1 winner Figgis because of the improvement that he showed. It was a better run over the 10.3f than the 12f at Ascot but I wouldn't draw the conclusion that it was the trip that brought about the improvement

Yes of course. I agree that it wasn't the trip that made the difference. Maybe he just improved with maturity and can do so again. Personally, I think it was just due to him being fully extended at York and given a harder race.

On ratings, not much between him and COT

Yes, we're dealing with fine margins here, especially when it comes to middle distance 3yos. The difference between a solid Gp2 performer and a Gp1 winner may only be 2 or 3 pounds. A pity COT won't be going to Leopardstown, where it looks like he probably would've faced real Gp1 older opposition for the first time.

Dear God you are clueless. Champion 2 year old and defeated only once in his career. Economics team running scared at Epsom coz they knew COT would batter him and now the boys are going to try something harder than Frankel ever did in winning in the USA. Calandagan gets within a length or 2 at York with a Group 1 horse miles back and Al Riffa waters the track in Germany with a short distance defeat at the hands of Ace Impact last year and finishing behind COT at Sandown. Go racing lads and smell the grass coz all I can smell from you lot is utter BS.

A non-event if FoG is an absentee. It does look like that at present courtesy of Ombudsman for reasons only connections are privileged to.

This yer we’ve had two races where we’ve had rematches. (The Lockinge and the King George). The market has been dominated by those who were thought to fight out the finish again.
Both races one of the principals has failed to fire.

This years Juddmonte is being seen the same, a rematch between Ombudsman and Delacroix. Different track and a different day.

Looking back at the Eclipse, the question is do you trust the form?

*year

Calandagan pulled, Daryz remains for the Aga, Pissaro pulled from AOB

I think if FoG is an absentee here it's more likely than not he'd be retired to stud duty at the end of this season. However, in the event of an unfortunate defeat today in The Sussex it will once again "encourage" connections to go for a redemption here.

I hope FoG wins with authority in The Sussex later today.

If he doesn’t go there, then where?

Another element of the Aga Khan Studs, Daryz (3 years), could however defend the interests of the team at the summit of the Ebor Festival: 'Daryz remained in the list of entries for the Juddmonte International. It is possible that he will go there, because we are quite tempted. Everything will depend on his work during the coming weeks. It would be the first attempt at the Group 1 level, and the first trip for the one who is unbeaten in four outings on our soil.

He’s 12/1 for the Arc not having yet won a G1 or raced over 12f & 12/1 for York.

What some of did know and see is that he’s a colt that likes fast ground and 10f.

The Japanese colt completed his final piece of work yesterday and is, “leading up to quarantine smoothly." He will depart from Narita Airport on August 5.

Daryz is getting closer and closer to the International Stakes (Gr. I)
The unbeaten Daryz (3 years old) is seriously considering the prestigious International Stakes (Gr.I) on 20 August in York.

In the coming weeks, the tricolor Daryz (3 years old) could well challenge the world elite of thoroughbreds in intermediate distance at the International Stakes (Gr .I – 2.080 meters), a race in which the champion Calandagan (double group I winner) had finished 2nd behind City Of Troy last year.

Trained by Francis Graffard, the prince’s colt is seriously considered for this group I, which is the flagship event of the Ebor meeting in York, in the north of England. The director at Cantilian said: "We will see how he continues to progress and based on that, we will be fixed, but we are leaning more, indeed, for group I in York (on August 20) for Daryz." On the other hand, Sunly, who is engaged in the Yorkshire Oaks (Gr. I - 2,400 meters), on the occasion of the same meeting, will not be present, because she has experienced a health issue.

impossible123 • August 4, 2025 7:59 PM BST
I can understand the decision taken by connections of Calandagan post King George's triumph. The Juddmonte could come too soon, and is over 10f (not 12f). I hope Daryz runs. He's touted as a possible serious Arc contender.

He’d be a fascinating contender if he did show up at York. He’s still left in the Group 2 at Deauville after the first forfeit stage….

They may be thinking that the long straight at York might be more to his liking than the short one at Deauville. They also want a good surface for him.
As Calandagan was beaten by a fellow runner in this, he has a line into what’s needed and that they are seriously considering (news from the weekend) is a sign of the regard that they hold him in.

I hope he turns up too otherwise my interest in the race is virtually zero. As a matter of fact if Rosallion is an absentee like FoG at the York meeting my interest will be zero until The Leger.

We all want to see good competition so hopefully as the race looks like cutting up badly.

This is looking like a 4 runner race attmo and again no pace maker for the Godolphin colt.

You’ve probably seen this

Daryz faces crucial gallop
Last Updated: Mon 11 Aug 2025
Unbeaten French colt Daryz faces a crucial workout on Thursday as connections ponder whether to take on the challenge of next week’s Juddmonte International at York.
The Sea The Stars colt has won each of his four starts to date, most recently impressing in the Group Two Prix Eugene Adam at Saint-Cloud in late June.
Trainer Francis-Henri Graffard saddled Calandagan to finish a close second to City Of Troy in the Juddmonte International 12 months ago and Daryz could bid to go one better on the Knavesmire.
Nemone Routh, racing manager for owners the Aga Khan Studs in France, said: “He won’t run in the Prix Guillaume d’Ornano this weekend, that’s for sure.

“We’re going to work him on Thursday and then make a decision about whether he goes to York or whether we run him next in the Prix Niel and follow a more traditional route towards the Arc, so we’ll see what he does on Thursday and make that decision then.
“He’s in good shape, we just want to be 100 per cent sure that we’re making the right call because it’s going to be a big ask going to York and we just want to see that last piece of work and make sure we’re making the right decision.
“By Thursday we’ll know a bit more about the field and the ground. The horse is in great form, but it’s going to be a big step for him so we’ll work him on Thursday, Mickael (Barzalona) will ride him, and we’ll make a decision then.”

Daryz tipped up for this in the Post today was taken out of the PRIX GUILLAUME D'ORNANO this morning leaving 9, including the Prix du Jockey Club second CUALIFICAR for Godolphin.

Ruling Court was meant to be also running for Godolphin but is a NO show.

AOB has Mount Kilimanjaro.

The big 3 are Delacroix (13/8), Ombudsman (9/4) and Danon Decile (4/1). I think Delacroix will confirm placing with Ombudsman given his near impossible position and win; Danon Decile has good form but over 12f.

Little value for Delacroix. As such, a watching brief.

The tipster on the post feels that the course helped Delacroix and that he expects form to be reversed.  The majority of Ombudsman’s run I’ve seen were right handed. Will he be as efficient or effective this way round?

This was a quote that I’d found that was made after he’d won going mile and a half right handed.

Tosaki said: "When I rode him for the first time in training I thought he was a high-level horse. On the track I got an even better feeling as he started well and got the position near the front, so we weren't trapped on the inside. His position and rhythm were good.
"He still has a lot of potential and I think he will improve further after winning this."

Trainer Shogo Yasuda added: "This time it was a race where results were required and winning was the premise. There was a moment when he seemed to lose his balance at the last corner and I feel like he's still young. He's growing physically but I want him to grow up mentally.
"I would like to talk with the owner and decide the next step. I think his distance will be around 2000 metres."

He feels that he’s better left handed.

Assuming the nature of York is not a hindrance and conducive ground for both Ombudsman and Delacroix I still believe the latter will confirm placing. Also, I read in another quarter Ombudsman was reckoned to have hit the front a bit too soon. Nevertheless, the win by Delacroix was a near impossibility at one point.

What possible concern does Mr Gosden have prior to the race? His horse will not be ridden by Mr Keane of Ireland.

If 2000m and left-handed is right up his street, according to the trainer of Danon Decile then York is  ideal for him. As Delacroix and Ombudsman are closely matched Danon Decile could steal the glory from these two principals. If so, he'd have a big say for The Arc at Longchamp 1st week of October.

He’s 3 from 6 going right handed, 2 from 3 going left. Those two wins being his biggest wins - the Derby and Sheema Classic.

Nak    1/18    0.75    Turf    G2    10.9f  right handed
Nak    1/14    0.75    Turf    G3    9.9f     “         “
Kyo    1/10    1.5    Turf    M    9f     left handed

Mey    1/9    1.25    Turf    G1    12f    left handed
Tok    1/17    2    Turf    G1    11.9.  left handed  Japanese Derby after 133 day break

His maiden was at Tokyo left handed when 4th over 8f

I mistyped *  Kyo    1/10    1.5    Turf    M    9f     left handed - it’s right handed

We’ll see how Daryz works tomorrow morning and if he’s coming also.

The Arc isn’t his aim impossible he was taken out, he’ll return for the Japan cup. Which ties into a concern I have
regarding the trainer.

I’ve said elsewhere that I don’t trust the Eclipse form.

Danon Decile Worked this morning at Newmarket

Danon Decile, who will contest the G1 Juddmonte International Stakes at York on August 20th, emerged on Newmarket's public training grounds just before 7:00 a.m. local time on August 12th, in a temperature of 17 degrees Celsius.

"The important thing is being able to sense his condition day by day," said his trainer when speaking about the horse's progress so far. For the second consecutive day, Yasuda himself (the trainer) climbed aboard and guided his charge up Warren Hill (an uphill polytrack gallop) at a lively canter, smiling as they reached the top.

Danon Decile is scheduled to have his final serious workout one week out on August 13th on the (flat) Al Bahathri gallop, also part of Newmarket's training grounds.

Looked good in the photo which I’d post if I knew how!

So the plot thickens, Daryz has been given the green light and Godolphin are putting in Birr Castle as a pacemaker.

Delashay • July 25, 2025 9:35 AM BST
Cualificar has worked well under Goyen ahead of the Deauville Group 2, went with Birr Castle and easily went by over 1,800.

I hope both Daryz and Danon Decile run. Otherwise, another mediocre bunch if having to choose between Delacroix and Ombudsman with due respect to the rest.

Whirl and Lambourn are 42 and 150 here. No taker at all even at these prices. Most unlikely to run then.

You’d think the the pacemaker will suit Delacroix?

There was still some uncertainty about Daryz’s participation in the Juddmonte International Stakes (Gr.I), on August 20th at York. Thursday morning, Nemone Routh, the racing manager of the Aga Khan stable, confirmed us the participation of the foal in this event which promises to be very challenging. The unbeaten in four outings will take part in his first Group 1, and will face the horses of age for the first time. “We are going to go to York. We are very satisfied with his preparation. He worked this morning with Mickael Barzalona, along with Surabad and Sibayan. Francis-Henri Graffard found him in great shape. Obviously, it is a great challenge to go into such an event. But Daryz will evolve on his distance and probably have his field. Maybe it happens a little early at this stage of his career? But we decided to try our luck. Zarigana could resort to it before her big goal announced during the Arc weekend, the Prix de la Forêt (Gr.I) «We don’t rule out going on the Prix du Moulin de Longchamp before the Prix de la Forêt,» adds Nemone Routh. It is she who will decide! Francis was a little disappointed when she returned from her rest period, but she is very well now. She is a filly who gets ready quickly, she doesn’t need much work. She rises quickly in pressure.

Zarigana does not have a willing winning mentality. I'd not back her until she wins regularly and accordingly.

I think Lambourn and Whirl are there in case Delacroix is a late absentee; Lambourn cannot win The Juddmonte on a line thro' Delacroix. Similarly, Whirl who needs further too. And, LA is running at York (I think).

LA is running in a soft race at The Curragh on saturday; Italy is in The Acomb at York next week, the same race that The Lion In Winter ran and won last season.

impossible123 • August 4, 2025 7:17 PM BST
Even then the entity could pull a fast one eg a switcheroo of tactic.

Looks like one is being done here, more lies about where horses are being targeted?

He’s mentioned that Delacroix has won twice @ Leopardstown this year and Smads & Joes have been shortest on Whirl all along!

If the switcheroo does happen someone needs to ask why the porkies!

Delacroix has taken a walk in the last few days. He was 3.65, now 5.3; Whirl has contracted from 45 to 11 (here).

disgraceful , theyve destroyed the horse racing that ive loved since the minstrel in 1977, really couldnt be bothered if horse racing was stopped tomorrow

Another with a late "bruised" foot? Delacroix is friendless.

It is a disgrace and I agree if this happens. All those interviews where he sits there smiling and tells you that they’re doing well on target, when not hiding behind his shades! Slippery lot!

If Delacroix is an absentee there's nothing at York next week I'll be looking forward to seeing; Field Of Gold is injured. The English and Irish Flat season are over.

Just bring forward The Arc and the King George at Kempton.

I thought he was lucky to win at Sandown and with Whirl having course form can see why they’re doing it, add that to what he said about Delacroix having won twice at Leopardstowmn,  they must think that the track will suit more there.

when was the last time a trainer or jockey gave a winner pre race ,im not talking about oh he should be thereabouts or in the mix etc , its all after the race ...the only one who ive read that has put up a really strong case for one of his is simon dow who was really strong on one of his pre race more or less said we think it will win , everything is in its favour ........it went in at around 13/2 iirc

You’re not making excuses for them are you?

When asked he ONLY ever mentioned that two horses were being trained for the international, both colts. One took an age to tell the public that it was injured and retired.

When asked Mr. Fabre re: Pour Moi - do you think he’ll win the Derby? - answer YES!

Aidan O'Brien says Delacroix 'on York programme' not Glorious Goodwood path
The Ballydoyle trainer confirmed the Coral-Eclipse Stakes winner will head to the Juddmonte International despite bookmakers' slashing his odds for the Sussex Stakes on Thursday

David Yates Chief Racing Correspondent
17:35, 17 Jul 2025

Aidan O'Brien insists Delacroix remains on course for next month’s Juddmonte International - despite a wholesale gamble on the Coral-Eclipse Stakes hero for the Sussex Stakes at Glorious Goodwood.

But O’Brien stressed the Knavesmire on August 20 - he is set to be joined in the York line-up by Prix du Jockey Club (French Derby) victor and Eclipse fourth Camille Pissarro - is still next on the Dubawi colt’s to-do list,

Whatever way you dress it up - it’s all billybullshine! Disgusting.

No answer Foyles? The Aga Khan rep said they were playing for a place today, seems honesty is lost on that particular outfit!

I think backers of Delacroix will need to brace themselves for an imminent announcement about the welfare of the horse. The market from 3.65 to 7.6 (matched at 8.6) is indicating something unsavoury might have happened to him or possibly a U-turn on his participation here.

All over again Impossible

I've a 19p acca on him with a few shorties for York next week; 19p I won on slots.

I don’t have you down as a slots man!

If you look at the article posted it’s dated 17th July the Eclipse was run on the 5th and he’s still talking about Camille Pissaro being in the Juddmonte reckoning.

This is the horse retired because of a fracture. So how long did that take to come to light?

It really is disgusting the distain that they treat everyone with. 

'Extremely classy' French Derby winner Camille Pissarro retired after suffering career-ending injury in Coral-Eclipse
Published on 13 August 2025inIreland
Last updated 08:45, 14 August 2025

O'Brien told the Racing Post: "He pulled off a shoe in the Eclipse and Christophe came in afterwards and said he was leaning left, that something was hurting him. He was sore in front after the race, too, so we had him x-rayed but nothing came to light.
"We got him to undergo scans after that and they have shown that he has a hairline fracture in his fetlock so he has had to be retired."

Camille Pissarro given second-lowest rating of any Prix du Jockey Club winner since 2010 by French handicapper
Published on 2 June 2025inFrance
Last updated 19:06, 2 June 2025

He was still working in the 17th of July?

ODDS

Birr Castle (FR)
Robert Havlin
5
432-644 • GELDING
F: 42
109
9st 8lbs
A. Fabre
Godolphin S.N.C.
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Danon Decile (JPN) T
Keita Tosaki
4
1163-11 • COLT
F: 136
125
9st 8lbs
Shogo Yasuda
Danox Co. Ltd.
--

Ombudsman (IRE)
William Buick
4
111-212 • D • COLT
F: 45
127
9st 8lbs
John & Thady Gosden
Godolphin
--

See The Fire (GB)
Oisin Murphy
4
35-5133 • CD • FILLY
F: 19
119
9st 5lbs
Andrew Balding
Mr J. C. Smith
--

Daryz (FR)
Mickael Barzalona
3
1111 • COLT
F: 51
112
9st 1lbs
Francis-Henri Graffard
Aga Khan Studs Scea
--

Delacroix (IRE)
--
3
12-1101 • D • COLT
F: 45
126
9st 1lbs
Aidan O'Brien
Mr D. Smith, Mrs J. Magnier, Mr M. Tabor

I’ve seen he’s their only runner, strange the big move for Whirl yesterday and it still doesn’t answer why it took so long to tell people of the wellbeing of Pissaro.

I suppose if Lucy Bronze can play the whole euros with a broken tibia then it’s possible he was cantering away prepping 12 days after the race in which he lost his shoe which caused the said fracture!

Surprised that Godolphin aren't running Ruling Court in this.
Ran well in the Eclipse when not getting the best of runs.
Still think he's got a GP1 in him.

He was due to run at Deauville this weekend in the Group 2 won by the Japanese colt and there’s been no news on him whatsoever.

Lots of talk on here about the French and Japanese runners but I still don't know where it's all heading. Has anybody actually backed these runners, or even have any intention of backing either of them?

Would you prefer the news on them not to be shared? It’s news that’s not on the post or very slow forthcoming when it does.

Questions have been asked about the Eclipse and if we are to trust the form also.

Well that was a positive response!

I cannot remember the market was proven definitively wrong about Delacroix; Lambourn was expected given his skinny price antepost.

I'm happy Whirl has been scratched. This probably means she'll be Prix Vermeille bound on 7th Dept.

Well we know the field what’s the thoughts? Be good to have them in before the day of the race.

I’m all ears …

I came to the opinion that in the Eclipse plans were aborted and they felt that they were lucky to win the race. Why? We’ll watch the end part and see the conversation between Moore and Soumi if you have it recorded on ITV. Expressions straight after are very telling and Moore seemed to look as if to say wth happened there?!
Soumi had said he felt he’d of won had he not lost the shoe after turning in. I can’t see where exactly it happened but can see the colt hasn’t one after the line.
A lot was made of him keeping Moore in and I feel that if things had gone to plan Moore would have led trying to set it up for Soumi.

Will it matter as to the result at York? I don’t know but I don’t trust the form from Sandown.

Where Delacroix was he'd have virtually no chance of winning. As such, I think Delacroix will confirm Sandown placing with Ombudsman despite 3lbs worse off. The flies in the ointment are the French and Japanese runners. Either winning could have a bearing at Longchamp on Arc day, I reckon.

See the fire for me at the prices. The front 2 in the market look impossible to split & Id be tossing a coin. I’ve therefore defaulted
to a win only dart on Baldings hoss to put a line through the farce at Goodwood on shocking ground & emulate her Mother on ground & army a course she clearly loves. Best of luck to anybody playing!

Would you prefer the news on them not to be shared?

I'm not bothered either way.

Well we know the field what’s the thoughts? Be good to have them in before the day of the race.

Without volunteering your own?

I think Ombudsman has more speed than Delacroix and in principle he should beat him today, and I would imagine he'll be too speedy for Danon Decile too. See The Fire is just not up to this class for me. I just hope Ombudsman gets a patient ride and is ridden for late speed rather than tryng to steal first run.

Hi Howellsy

It's a grey area whether the form would've been higher given a faster run race. Possibly Delacroix would've won by further, but we also might have seen a better version of Ombudsman. At the moment I'm keeping an open mind but sticking to taking the race at face value

That's what I posted after my losing Ombudsman bet. I'm generally reluctant to make excuses for beaten horses, especially ones beaten after getting first run. But looking at the race again after more time has passed I'm now of the opinion that Ombudsman probably would've won comfortably given a truly run race. Initially I was generous with my allowance that day but now I believe the race was an even slower time performance than I'd rated. It's true that usually the horse getting first run gains an advantage in a slowly run race, but ultimately it also depends on which horse can run faster splits off a slow early pace.

A lot of people thought Ombudsman was flattered by a pace collapse in the POW but I thought, if anything, it was possible he could've shown even better form if getting a clear run sooner. That said, I wouldn't take improvement for granted when evaluating his chances today. As things stand, I don't rate any of these up to a typical Gp1 winning figure for this race, but Ombudsman comes closest (about 4lbs short). Even if Ombudsman only repeats his POW effort I reckon the opposition will need to run faster than they ever have before to beat him. I can see why some will see him too short to back but I'd have him no bigger than evens today, so I've backed him.

Daryz is friendless. He's 17.5 here.

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Well done backed the fav!

Figgis • August 20, 2025 10:36 AM BST
Would you prefer the news on them not to be shared?

I'm not bothered either way.

Well we know the field what’s the thoughts? Be good to have them in before the day of the race.

Without volunteering your own?

Delashay • August 18, 2025 5:35 PM BST
I came to the opinion that in the Eclipse plans were aborted and they felt that they were lucky to win the race. Why? We’ll watch the end part and see the conversation between Moore and Soumi if you have it recorded on ITV. Expressions straight after are very telling and Moore seemed to look as if to say wth happened there?!
Soumi had said he felt he’d of won had he not lost the shoe after turning in. I can’t see where exactly it happened but can see the colt hasn’t one after the line.
A lot was made of him keeping Moore in and I feel that if things had gone to plan Moore would have led trying to set it up for Soumi.

Will it matter as to the result at York? I don’t know but I don’t trust the form from Sandown.

No opinion given Figgis?

2 probable selections in two races, and I chose the wrong ones each time eg Lambourn and Delacroix. This is horseracing.

You were right Impossible when you called Delacroix classless

Figgis
wd
   GL

Now quite how I expected it Figgis, but we can both be pleased with the outcome.

I think Coolmore has taken a hit with their principal horses today ie Lambourn and Delacroix. Both have bombed and beaten with no excuse for either.

Lambourn was over fit if anything, despite the trainers comments.

Well done, Fig and Howellsy

And now some are saying Ombudsman is a far better horse than most have envisaged. Oh dear! He's only beaten Delacroix today: 1-1 the score.

No, not quite Howellesy . If only racing could be as predictable as certain aftertimers. Cheers, penzance, brandy.

An opinion isn’t telling who you’ve bet on the day of the race on an ante post forum- it’s discussing the race and its participants.

Surely the definition of an "opinion" is nailing your colours to a certain horse. No?

Anyone who uses the term “after timer” should really join the discussion pre race so as not to be a hypocrite. Likewise anyone with a truly strong opinion and that mindset would have said back Ombudsman whilst he was second favourite, as Delacroix is the wrong favourite (before the flip flop at the weekend.) -  That’s why it’s called Ante Post.

Omudsman was 9/4 more than a week ago, he was available around 11/5 yesterday. If you think gaining a few ticks on a potential non runner is value that's up to you, I don't. I saw nothing to discuss. Tons of posts about horses I considered had little chance but no balls to put up a pick.

Figgis • August 21, 2025 11:10 AM BST
II saw nothing to discuss. Tons of posts about horses I considered had little chance….

“Certain aftertimers”

When was the race because you’re another hypocrite wise and now full of it after without knowing the meaning of Ante - Post!

“Tons of posts…”

They were updates on horses being shipped in for a race named  - The International.

You didn’t appreciate but then again you should have written to the post and told them that their journos were wasting their time like I was bothering to share the info on them.

Good day.

Will it matter as to the result at York? I don’t know but I don’t trust the form from Sandown.

No opinion given Figgis?

You were dangerously close to offering an opinion there but carefully ambiguous enough that you could've wheeled this one out whether Ombudsman had been stuffed, the Japanese runner had won, etc.

I think you mentioned you used to work in TV. Were you a riddle writer for Ted Rogers on 321?

Not interested in conversation with someone that thinks that putting up a fav on the day of the race takes balls!

That's good to know. A decision at last. Let's hope it sticks

I make decisions before the race, it’s all there my view on the Eclipse you were offered to share your views as was everyone else.
You’ve mugged yourself off talking about balls and aftertimers.

I respected your opinion and encouraged discussion, you withheld.

I make decisions before the race

What decision did you make that was posted on here before the race?

Even more aftertiming on the Arc thread.

Figgis • August 21, 2025 1:54 PM BST
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I no longer care for your opinion or engagement in discussing races especially after.

I can't say the same, as I've still yet to see you offer one.

Howellsy,for some reason I thought you were on the Obrien rnr.
You were on the Wnr.
  wd
    GL