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Closest we get to a ‘Cheltenham on the flat’ and some great races in prospect.
The St James Palace and Coronation in particular have real strength in depth and should go a long way to sorting out the pecking order between the English, Irish and French.
If he keeps drifting then Rosallion might become close to an each way bet to nothing.
The sprint races are less stellar with no real stars though that does make them better as a betting proposition.
I thought Emaraaty Ana might be worth a small bet for old times same at 66/1 if he runs in the King Charles, and I rather like Montassib at 25/1 in the QE2.
I hope Vandeek, who I backed nearly a year ago, can bounce back to form in the Commonwealth but can’t say I’m confident.
The Queen Anne and Prince Of Wales are also slightly underwhelming and I’m hoping the French might be able to win both. I’m particularly keen on Horizon Dore, I just hope the jockey rides him with balls of steel.
Hard to see Kyprios getting beat in the Gold Cup and my nap of the meeting would be Mountain Breeze in the Albany at 5/2.
The other two year old races are hard to judge until the decs and draw are made.
The Hunt Cup looks impossible but I was very keen on English Oak at 14/1 for the Wokingham but he has drifted like a barge on the exchange so presumably is going for the Buckingham Palace instead.
The St James Palace and Coronation in particular have real strength in depth and should go a long way to sorting out the pecking order between the English, Irish and French.
If he keeps drifting then Rosallion might become close to an each way bet to nothing.
The sprint races are less stellar with no real stars though that does make them better as a betting proposition.
I thought Emaraaty Ana might be worth a small bet for old times same at 66/1 if he runs in the King Charles, and I rather like Montassib at 25/1 in the QE2.
I hope Vandeek, who I backed nearly a year ago, can bounce back to form in the Commonwealth but can’t say I’m confident.
The Queen Anne and Prince Of Wales are also slightly underwhelming and I’m hoping the French might be able to win both. I’m particularly keen on Horizon Dore, I just hope the jockey rides him with balls of steel.
Hard to see Kyprios getting beat in the Gold Cup and my nap of the meeting would be Mountain Breeze in the Albany at 5/2.
The other two year old races are hard to judge until the decs and draw are made.
The Hunt Cup looks impossible but I was very keen on English Oak at 14/1 for the Wokingham but he has drifted like a barge on the exchange so presumably is going for the Buckingham Palace instead.
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Just Audience and Almaqam for me ante post. Long enough odds to risk a small bet in case they are non runners but will probably be shorter on the day if they run. Almaqam looks just the right sort of fast improver to challenge the Guineas winners who have all been in battles. Audience only has to reproduce his Lockinge run.
i believe showers tomorrow and then lots of rain over the weekend, so im sure soft will be in the description for tuesday, its suppose to pick up in the week and lovely for next weekend according to itv weather girl this morning
If soft ground prevails Rosallion could be an absentee.
Be very surprised if there is any soft in the going description come 2pm Tuesday judging by latest forecasts.
Good to firm, good in places or the reverse of that would be my guess and and I expect they will be watering by Thursday.
Good to firm, good in places or the reverse of that would be my guess and and I expect they will be watering by Thursday.
Aye .... "5mm straight course,3mm round course"
2023 same,some of the best sprinters around were 1.51 secs outside standard in the kings stand.
33/1,14/1,16/1,9/1,25/1,10/1,10/1,22/1 and 20/1 ... Winners from just the first TWO days last year.
Nothing wrong with maintaining safe gd/fm ground,it,s whether that is consistent across the whole track,recent history around here suggests otherwise.
On the flip side,if you fancy something here at a price,not the worst meeting to get involved.
Cracking opening day card,that long distance handicap one of my favourite races of the whole season.
Best of luck Uncle and all those playing ... long week
2023 same,some of the best sprinters around were 1.51 secs outside standard in the kings stand.
33/1,14/1,16/1,9/1,25/1,10/1,10/1,22/1 and 20/1 ... Winners from just the first TWO days last year.
Nothing wrong with maintaining safe gd/fm ground,it,s whether that is consistent across the whole track,recent history around here suggests otherwise.
On the flip side,if you fancy something here at a price,not the worst meeting to get involved.
Cracking opening day card,that long distance handicap one of my favourite races of the whole season.
Best of luck Uncle and all those playing ... long week
Tuesday E/W Lucky 15
2:30 - Docklands 16/1
3:05 - Rashabar 66/1
3:45 - Emaraaty Ana 66/1
4:25 - Alyanaabi 22/1
2:30 - Docklands 16/1
3:05 - Rashabar 66/1
3:45 - Emaraaty Ana 66/1
4:25 - Alyanaabi 22/1
A poor Queen Anne. The only runner I have running even close to an older horse Gp1 performance is Audience. I have him improving 10lbs with the Lockinge win. I don't know if he can follow up that effort, but if he can I reckon he has a great winning chance against this lot. He's not a horse I'd want to lump on, as I wouldn't be surprised if he finished last, but at this price I will risk a bet.
The 5f Gp1 largely consists of Gp3 level runners and worse. For me, there is only one proven genuine Gp performer and that is Big Evs. I didn't really rate him at this level until the Flying Childers win, where I thought he massively improved and backed him at Santa Anita. I didn't back him first time out this season at York as I'm always wary of sprinters going from 2 to 3. He won well but, contrary to the RP who reckoned he looked better than ever I had him well below his best. On the other hand I wouldn't have expected, or wanted, him to be at peak level for that race. There is no way of knowing if he's still capable of hitting his 2yo mark but at the price against these I will take the chance.
The 5f Gp1 largely consists of Gp3 level runners and worse. For me, there is only one proven genuine Gp performer and that is Big Evs. I didn't really rate him at this level until the Flying Childers win, where I thought he massively improved and backed him at Santa Anita. I didn't back him first time out this season at York as I'm always wary of sprinters going from 2 to 3. He won well but, contrary to the RP who reckoned he looked better than ever I had him well below his best. On the other hand I wouldn't have expected, or wanted, him to be at peak level for that race. There is no way of knowing if he's still capable of hitting his 2yo mark but at the price against these I will take the chance.
yes a poor group1 queen annes, but i mentioned on here last week , where are Aidens milers !. doesnt have any for 1st time in years
couple of longish range arrows so far for me
345 Kerdos ew
230 Witch Hunter ew
345 Kerdos ew
230 Witch Hunter ew
Some start Uncle ... keeps you interested in them last two.
Rashabar 120 on here,VWP
Rashabar 120 on here,VWP
Cheers guys. Had a small single on here on Rashabar - sadly took 95 though.
I can't believe I didn't back Rosallion - he was in all my ante post multiples but they got shot to pieces when English Oak was rerouted from the Wokingham.
Even more annoyingly I missed the placepot by one leg (paid £5k) - had two in the 5th race but Tritonic and Pied Piper let me down.
Even trapper today by the look of it.
I have been backing Horizon Dore at all rates from 16/1 down and played again last night - just needs a Rosallion type ride imo.
Thought Amestris looked a decent e/w bet in the Queen Mary at 25/1 with the extra places.
Not really interested in the Queens Vase and I don't fancy the front two in the Duke Of Cambridge - played Ocean Jewel ante post at 10/1 and will have a saver on Running Lion.
Hunt Cup looks a minefield - not excited by the those at the head of the market so for an interest I'll play to minimum stakes on Holloway Boy and Tails Evolvere
Quite like Rowayeh e/w in the Sandringham at 16/1 with 6 places
And Shadow Army looks an e/w bet to nothing in the last - stake will depend on how I get on earlier.
I can't believe I didn't back Rosallion - he was in all my ante post multiples but they got shot to pieces when English Oak was rerouted from the Wokingham.
Even more annoyingly I missed the placepot by one leg (paid £5k) - had two in the 5th race but Tritonic and Pied Piper let me down.
Even trapper today by the look of it.
I have been backing Horizon Dore at all rates from 16/1 down and played again last night - just needs a Rosallion type ride imo.
Thought Amestris looked a decent e/w bet in the Queen Mary at 25/1 with the extra places.
Not really interested in the Queens Vase and I don't fancy the front two in the Duke Of Cambridge - played Ocean Jewel ante post at 10/1 and will have a saver on Running Lion.
Hunt Cup looks a minefield - not excited by the those at the head of the market so for an interest I'll play to minimum stakes on Holloway Boy and Tails Evolvere
Quite like Rowayeh e/w in the Sandringham at 16/1 with 6 places
And Shadow Army looks an e/w bet to nothing in the last - stake will depend on how I get on earlier.
I have laid Treasure Isle in the last:
1 Speed figures are a bit behind some of the others.
2 Everything else that ran in the Curragh race has been beaten since, with the exception of the last placed who hasn't run again yet.
3 The 3rd horse behind him at Naas has been beaten 3 times since! This looked a moderate race before hand and it didn't look like a comfortable win as he was pressed by runner up and had to be ridden to the line.
4 He has to beat 27 horses this afternoon.
On the flipside, he is trained by a genius. But, as overnight fav, I have given it a go.
1 Speed figures are a bit behind some of the others.
2 Everything else that ran in the Curragh race has been beaten since, with the exception of the last placed who hasn't run again yet.
3 The 3rd horse behind him at Naas has been beaten 3 times since! This looked a moderate race before hand and it didn't look like a comfortable win as he was pressed by runner up and had to be ridden to the line.
4 He has to beat 27 horses this afternoon.
On the flipside, he is trained by a genius. But, as overnight fav, I have given it a go.
Speed figures are a bit behind some of the others.
The 3rd horse behind him at Naas has been beaten 3 times since! This looked a moderate race before hand and it didn't look like a comfortable win as he was pressed by runner up and had to be ridden to the line.
Marksman, in regards to the speed figure at Naas and it not being a comfortable win, Moore went a slow pace in front early on which affected the final time. It also allowed inferior runners to finish closer than they probably would have off a true pace. I have no idea how good Treasure Isle will prove to be, but it's likely he's better than that bare form. This isn't my kind of race though and you have plenty running for you. Good luck with the lay.
The 3rd horse behind him at Naas has been beaten 3 times since! This looked a moderate race before hand and it didn't look like a comfortable win as he was pressed by runner up and had to be ridden to the line.
Marksman, in regards to the speed figure at Naas and it not being a comfortable win, Moore went a slow pace in front early on which affected the final time. It also allowed inferior runners to finish closer than they probably would have off a true pace. I have no idea how good Treasure Isle will prove to be, but it's likely he's better than that bare form. This isn't my kind of race though and you have plenty running for you. Good luck with the lay.
Thanks Figgis, fingers crossed.
As I see it even if he is better than appeared at Naas, it must be better than evens that there is something in this field who could be group class. Possibly more. It just depends how things pan out. But I like laying favourites in huge fields when there are so many unknowns running for me.
As I see it even if he is better than appeared at Naas, it must be better than evens that there is something in this field who could be group class. Possibly more. It just depends how things pan out. But I like laying favourites in huge fields when there are so many unknowns running for me.
I toyed with the idea of laying O'Brien's Illinois in the Queen's Vase, as I thought Highbury would be the one to beat from that yard. Never been one of my favourite betting races of the meeting though and I have no strong opinions about the other contenders.
So I take it you only "toyed with the idea". If so, well done dodging a bullet!
Yes. I thought as I didn't really rate the rest then I ought to be backing Highbury instead of laying the fav. In the end I didn't fancy him quite enough to back at the price, fortunately.
Enough for now . Did you have any left after "bombproof" "winning by daylight" City Of Troy failed in the Guineas?
. Did you have any left after "bombproof" "winning by daylight" City Of Troy failed in the Guineas?
I don't back 4/6 shots in classics lad. 7/2 shots in the Derby are pretty good though. Always looking for value Junior .
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That last race could have been disaster for you. Great judgement in the end not to lay Illinois and not to bet on what you thought would win. That has to go down as your best post yet. Good luck for the rest of the meeting.
Any pre-race opinions? Or can we expect your usual MO? Waiting for a Coolmore winner then instantly making an appearance on a thread to kiss the lads' buttholes and tell us that the winner could've gone round again?
Are you feeling the pressure lad. Banker to come on Saturday.
Great. I look forward to hearing about it shortly after the race is over.
I think you will notice the Derby selection was given freely before the race. You probably missed it as you were piling on Ancient Wisdom.
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Yes, you really are fantastic and we all appreciate your post race selections.
Cheers Junior. I know it's been a tough time for you recently. keep at it.
Lovely performance. I hope you are enjoying watching these horses Junior.
400 Group 1 Winners. Quite unbelievable from the great man.
No offence guys but f**k off and start your own thread if you want to act like babies.
Quite agree. F**k off Junior and stop acting like a baby. BTW just ask nicely and I will give you the Banker of the Meeting.
As expected a tougher day on Wednesday, especially the two year old races which I got completely wrong.
A high’ish draw on the straight track seems to be a bit of an advantage judged on all the placed horses in todays four races, though where the pace is seems most important.
Horizon Dore ran well but was ridden just like in the Champion Stakes, sling shotting out wide round the bend and asked to close as soon as they straightened so had nothing left in the last furlong. As I intimidated I half anticipated that scenario and put up an in running lay at 85/40 before the off to cover my stake which was matched. He’s one horse I’d be happy to have Jamie Spencer on at Ascot.
Thursday looks incredibly tough again with several short price favs, even in the handicaps, but plenty I like at juicy prices.
I’ve particularly looked for horses that I hope relish fast ground (either on past form or pedigree).
3.05 - Gallantly
3.45 - Siyola and Rubies Are Red
5.00 - Starlore and Skukuza
5.40 - Bellum Justum
6.15 - Carrytheone
A high’ish draw on the straight track seems to be a bit of an advantage judged on all the placed horses in todays four races, though where the pace is seems most important.
Horizon Dore ran well but was ridden just like in the Champion Stakes, sling shotting out wide round the bend and asked to close as soon as they straightened so had nothing left in the last furlong. As I intimidated I half anticipated that scenario and put up an in running lay at 85/40 before the off to cover my stake which was matched. He’s one horse I’d be happy to have Jamie Spencer on at Ascot.
Thursday looks incredibly tough again with several short price favs, even in the handicaps, but plenty I like at juicy prices.
I’ve particularly looked for horses that I hope relish fast ground (either on past form or pedigree).
3.05 - Gallantly
3.45 - Siyola and Rubies Are Red
5.00 - Starlore and Skukuza
5.40 - Bellum Justum
6.15 - Carrytheone
Kalpana lay in the Ribblesdale.
Form does not look strong. Stride frequency of first to runs suggests she should be running at a mile. (I am a convert to Kevin Blake's stride data and would like to see it available from all races.)
Form does not look strong. Stride frequency of first to runs suggests she should be running at a mile. (I am a convert to Kevin Blake's stride data and would like to see it available from all races.)
You have to Marvel at the great man. We are seeing the greatest trainer of all time.
He can even bring them back from the brink of death to win group 1's. Arise Sir Aidan from a true racing fan.
Elmalka looks like she's being under estimated to me in the
Coronation Stks today (7s here).
GL ALL
Coronation Stks today (7s here).
GL ALL
Thought the French horse Rouhiya looked the value in the Coronation
Think the first two races are between the front two in the market but some good e/w options behind them.
Royalty Bay if it handles the faster ground could be worth a small bet in the Albany, and in the Commonwealth Cup Pockilington and Kind Of Blue.
The Duke Of Edinburgh looks very nasty though I have to back Bague d'Or for old times sake.
Thought Bellarchi at 100/1 was worth a small bet in the Sandringham.
I really like Theory Of Tides as a prospect but the fast ground is a worry so will split small stakes with Macduff.
The last is not really my type of race but have to take a stab so one from each side - Dyrholaey and at a monstrous price Symbology
Think the first two races are between the front two in the market but some good e/w options behind them.
Royalty Bay if it handles the faster ground could be worth a small bet in the Albany, and in the Commonwealth Cup Pockilington and Kind Of Blue.
The Duke Of Edinburgh looks very nasty though I have to back Bague d'Or for old times sake.
Thought Bellarchi at 100/1 was worth a small bet in the Sandringham.
I really like Theory Of Tides as a prospect but the fast ground is a worry so will split small stakes with Macduff.
The last is not really my type of race but have to take a stab so one from each side - Dyrholaey and at a monstrous price Symbology
The Commonwealth Cup, I had only 1lb between Inisherin and Elite Status, but with the latter out of the race I reckon Inisherin has a clear chance. I have some past runnings with higher winning figures, Muhaarar, Caravaggio (especially) and even Shaquille last year, but in an average year I think the performance Inisherin put up at Haydock would be good enough. 3yo sprinters can improve massively and there may be one about to burst up to a higher level here, but I don't see an obvious danger. Inisherin is fav but I'd have him a bit shorter so I'm backing him.
Great call Figgis all in clover. Very well done.
Inisherin won well.
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Elmalka, can see her being upped in trip after that
think she could be a player in the Nassau.
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Elmalka, can see her being upped in trip after that
think she could be a player in the Nassau.
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She'll probably meet Opera Singer there. She'd be up in trip too. I think 8f clearly was on the short side today.
She'll probably meet Opera Singer there. She'd be up in trip too. I think 8f clearly was on the short side today.
Well Thursday was saved by English Oak my main ante post fancy - though sadly had backed him at 14/1 for the Wokingham. I kept the faith and had a good bet at 6/1 for the Buckingham Palace.
Friday was brutal - didn't get a place despite backing multiple selections in most races.
Opera Singer was a massive drifter and was absolutely hating the ground up the home straight. - really climbing on it. She had a very hard race in the circumstances and given she had issues earlier this season I'd want her given a really nice break now and come back for maybe the Sun Chariot and Prix De L'Opera.
If they turn her out quickly in the Falmouth I'd be very wary, even if there is cut in the ground.
The French horse was very impressive in the King Edward and one hopes he comes back for the King George.
Innisherin was a comfortable winner of the Commonwealth and with todays QEII looking more like a Group 3 he really should win the July Cup - unless something wins the Jersey impressively and drops back in trip.
Speaking of the Jersey I had to back Task Force after what I posted on the 2,000G thread. Took 16/1 on here yesterday lunchtime. Still doubt he'll be quite good enough to beat the front two though.
TBH I'll be glad when it's over.
Friday was brutal - didn't get a place despite backing multiple selections in most races.
Opera Singer was a massive drifter and was absolutely hating the ground up the home straight. - really climbing on it. She had a very hard race in the circumstances and given she had issues earlier this season I'd want her given a really nice break now and come back for maybe the Sun Chariot and Prix De L'Opera.
If they turn her out quickly in the Falmouth I'd be very wary, even if there is cut in the ground.
The French horse was very impressive in the King Edward and one hopes he comes back for the King George.
Innisherin was a comfortable winner of the Commonwealth and with todays QEII looking more like a Group 3 he really should win the July Cup - unless something wins the Jersey impressively and drops back in trip.
Speaking of the Jersey I had to back Task Force after what I posted on the 2,000G thread. Took 16/1 on here yesterday lunchtime. Still doubt he'll be quite good enough to beat the front two though.
TBH I'll be glad when it's over.
Everything looks in place for Believing in the 3:45: 4 days since last run is the ideal gap, as we know that the trainer has not had to do anything in the interim. We just know she will be fit. And Tuesday's good run shows that she is happy here at Ascot and on this going. Trouble is I missed the price. I quote Lawrence Taylor on ATR website:
Chalked up at 17-2 with William Hill at the time of writing, anything at 7-1 or bigger can be considered value in my book.
With hindsight, he got a cracking price as she is 4.6 on here now!
Chalked up at 17-2 with William Hill at the time of writing, anything at 7-1 or bigger can be considered value in my book.
With hindsight, he got a cracking price as she is 4.6 on here now!
...And the speed figure from the King Charles III looks good.
Even the anti Ballydoyle brigade have to be impressed by that. What a stunning performance.
Bedtime Story (rated 103) was visually impressive. I do not know how good the race was; 2nd fav Age Of gold (98) did not run to potential; the form of the runner-up Pentle Bay was only rated 90. If taken on face value Bedtime Story would have 13lbs in hand to Pentle Bay.
Fair comment. Really enjoyed the meeting. Some great stories and the little Charlie Hills kid was brilliant.
Another shocker for me on Saturday with just a tiny saver on Khaadem easing the pain.
Thanks to Rashabar and English Oak I still came out just ahead but overall a very disappointing return given all the studying and bets.
Thanks to Rashabar and English Oak I still came out just ahead but overall a very disappointing return given all the studying and bets.
I must say it was enjoyable to witness another RA where we didn't have rain or an extreme change in going, or some controversial watering issue. That said, the large number of non runners on the last day must have been down to the g/f going, unless I'm told otherwise. Even the straight course wasn't too much of an issue, although with 25+ runner fields we'll always have some hard luck stories. My 39th royal meeting.
unclepuncle 13 Jun 24 11:13
and I rather like Montassib at 25/1 in the QE2.
5/1 for a Group 3 will do nicely instead.
and I rather like Montassib at 25/1 in the QE2.
5/1 for a Group 3 will do nicely instead.
Jumper you have it wrong, percentage-wise more horses are boxed in in small fields than big fields .Most big fields are run on straight tracks, plenty of room. most small fields tend to start next to a rail and that's where they stay, next to the rail and the horses have trouble getting a run.
So, a common misconception. Same as the saying "he's a Group horse running in a Handicap ", percentage wise Horses that get beat in a handicap, can win a Group race, i.e. Ile De cheypre, beaten fav in the Lincoln, won the Juddmonte. Now remember I'm talking percentage wise over 40 to 50 years, there is obviously exceptions.
So, a common misconception. Same as the saying "he's a Group horse running in a Handicap ", percentage wise Horses that get beat in a handicap, can win a Group race, i.e. Ile De cheypre, beaten fav in the Lincoln, won the Juddmonte. Now remember I'm talking percentage wise over 40 to 50 years, there is obviously exceptions.
Talking of Royal Ascot,Ile De Chypre was the horse who jinked & got rid of Starkey there
if I remember rightly.
if I remember rightly.
I read it was the possible use of a pistol that caused the horse to jink. Anyway, it was quite a spectacle getting rid of Starkey; Starkey used a hand-signal before he edged right at Goodwood (I think).
Hand signal was to Pat Eddery on Kings Lake giving him the V when Starkey and To-Agori-Mou beat them in the St James Palace at Ascot.
I liked Starkey. He was a jockey for the big occasions. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in The Derby; I think Dancing Brave was unsuited coming down the hill.
As I thought Elite Status had a big chance of winning at Royal Ascot before the withdrawal I was expecting him to be much shorter for today's Gp3. I suppose there has to be a question mark against any horse returning from a setback, even a minor one, and with Haydock being the target he might not be fully tuned up. Nevertheless, I still see him as the most likely winner. I backed him yesterday but even if I hadn't I would be happy to bet him at the shorter odds today.
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