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19 Nov 22 10:04
Date Joined: 15 Jun 01
| Topic/replies: 27,031 | Blogger: sageform's blog
This could be a very good race but who will run? Greanateen will start favourite unless there is a lot of hype coming for Shishkin. I am still a fan of First Flow and if the big names don't run for any reason, 27 is a huge price so I have had £1 at 27 for a start and will have a place bet when one is available. I am still doubtful about Edwardstone. Will the ground suit Alan King on the day, will he be good enough anyway?
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Report brandyontherocks November 20, 2022 7:34 AM GMT
Wonder if Willie runs Ferny here.

He probably does not want to run him against Energumene in the Hilly Way, so not many other races for him.
Report impossible123 November 20, 2022 6:19 PM GMT
I'd like to see Shishkin here, but very unlikely given his predicament last season. Chemical will probably find a softie for his 1st race back from injury.
Report brandyontherocks November 20, 2022 10:13 PM GMT
Why do you call him Chemical??
Report brandyontherocks November 20, 2022 10:15 PM GMT
And if by Chemical you mean Henderson, what "soft" race do you think he should go for?
Report brandyontherocks November 20, 2022 10:15 PM GMT
And if by Chemical you mean Henderson, what "soft" race do you think he should go for?
Report impossible123 November 26, 2022 8:04 PM GMT
Chemical's waxing lyrical about Shishkin. If he's recovered from his predicament in the Champion Chase he'll walk all over Greaneteen like he did in the Desert Orchid Chase last x'mas. But, as it's trained by Chemical I still do not believe he'll turn-up for this gig despite the encouraging report by Chemical about his well-being.
Report brandyontherocks November 26, 2022 9:06 PM GMT
Really are an attention seeking little man.
Report sageform November 28, 2022 3:16 PM GMT
Nicky des seem to be in a rich vein of form so hard to oppose. Shame that First Flow is out but I suppose it needs softer than is likely. No bet race to me now.
Report impossible123 November 30, 2022 7:31 PM GMT
Unibet - the sponsor of Chemical - is 6/4 Shishkin. Others as short as 8/11. Is this significant?
Report gpz6316 November 30, 2022 10:14 PM GMT
whilst shishkin beat geaneteen comfortably last season , that energumene race that he won bottomed him , whilst energumene went on , shishkin looked to have gone lto and they duly pulled stumps . I think they have hope rather than expectance . His profile , hendos form etc will get the support , but , the one thats come on is greaneteen . no reward for the stake so nowt doing for me . greaneteen at evs
Report brandyontherocks December 1, 2022 6:40 PM GMT
All the big guns are declared. Fingers crossed
Report brandyontherocks December 1, 2022 6:40 PM GMT
All the big guns are declared. Fingers crossed
Report impossible123 December 1, 2022 6:43 PM GMT
In the Champion Chase last March Shishkin was affected by intermediate lameness on the day. Apparently that's been overcome judging from his sparkling work recently. If so, Shishkin will walk all over Greaneteen on saturday.

I just like this race to prove Shishkin is all good. If so Shishkin will recapture his Champion Chase crown come next March.
Report FOYLESWAR December 1, 2022 8:00 PM GMT
aint won a champ chase ^
Report impossible123 December 1, 2022 8:04 PM GMT
'FOYLESWAR', sorry! It's old age. I'm confusing him with Altior; Shishkin won the Arkle. I hope he wins the Champion Chase next.
Report gpz6316 December 1, 2022 9:49 PM GMT
for me shishkin is the patsy that makes the market .  their are plenty of doubts in my mind , remember they way he travels funny ? before his flop , your only gonna pick up 1.3 points to your stake ! Whilst i expect shish to flop i dont expect greaneteene to , but , hes only 7-4 . Im going for a upset with venetia . best of luck
Report FOYLESWAR December 1, 2022 10:38 PM GMT
hendo says shishkin is working well and over the setback/injury he may well be but it could be that titanic  duel with energumene has left a mark ,on the gallops they dont have the gun put to their head so to speak, but he is likely to have a race on his hands on saturday   ,greanateen not far behind on ratings and this years arkle winner edwardstone and gentleman du mai who beat the former at aintree and looks to be going the right way only a 6 yo and room for plenty of improvement needs to find a bit more but thats not out of the question ,looked to beat edwardstone fair and square at aintree imo and rated 3  pound better than the king horse yet almost double the price of that one had a bit on ante post and will top up at 10/1 bog b365 win bets and will play the place markets on here .
Report gpz6316 December 2, 2022 10:56 PM GMT
i couldnt have a  w.mullins horse at 10-1 in a 6 horse race foyles , given their powder if it was on ,  the horse would be 2 to 4-1  max ,  its their as a measuring tool imo . no my value is the venetia horse .
Report FOYLESWAR December 3, 2022 9:21 AM GMT
yeah you may be right gzp i also like the venetia horse ,i have put up a tingle creek thread on the horse forum highlighting its chance ,obviously got a good few pounds to find with the front 2 but was only just over 3l behind shishkin in 2nd over hurdles at aintree a few years back ,on all known form it should be between the hendo and nicholls pair but we will seee.
Report Autocue December 3, 2022 3:03 PM GMT
Well done Edwardstone backers. I’ve got indigestion after watching Shishkin.
Report impossible123 December 3, 2022 5:37 PM GMT
Shishkin was a goner after a circuit. Now worries Hendo is indicating no more Champion Chase; Shishkin will be up in distance however, no supplementation for the King George.

That's about the most sensible thing Hendo has said for a long while. His insinuation and then procrastination with Altior spoke volume.
Report harry callaghan December 3, 2022 5:41 PM GMT
Quick time from that Jon Bon compared with the tingle creek, considering he looked in first gear for most of race
Report penzance December 3, 2022 9:39 PM GMT
Edwardstone looked a very good animal today.
Hope he stays fit.
Report gpz6316 December 3, 2022 10:43 PM GMT
well done to the backers of edwardstone . Smelt a upset , but , couldnt have him as kings horses are always over-backed compared to their chance in general , had a good few of venetias losers though !
Report impossible123 December 4, 2022 9:11 AM GMT
Shishkin jumped a few fences "high" - not quite ballooning - but spending too much time in the air. If re-routed to budget airline race Allaho will be long gone; if Gold Cup the new trip will test his stamina limit to the fullest esp the uphill finish.

Retirement plz Hendo. I think that'd be the best thing for Shishkin. I do not wish to see the illustrious career and achievements of Shishkin devalued over your whimp. Remember what you said Hendo: "I know Champ is a Gold Cup horse, and we've another ie Chantry House."
Report penzance December 5, 2022 2:32 PM GMT
Edwardstone,through Greanetean,who loves Sandown,I would say that was a 177-180 performance.
Report penzance December 5, 2022 5:14 PM GMT
SP/Life (TmForm 172).
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