Coral Eclipse...

Real World matched @ 95 on here
Is he not running........any news?

Does anyone know where I can check the time of w/d?
Had a biggish bet for me on RW at Hills and I want to make sure he was still down to run when I placed the bet.

Kingscote is on Bay Bridge for Sir Stoute. Nothing from AOB or Moore? I think it's likely Dettori could be on Real World given no representation from Coolmore/AOB.

Real World is out Imp. Costly for me

Real World pulled out today by the looks of it.
No Coolmore runnrs either.

Is there an official w/d time for Real World and where would I find it?

Blind me! That's bad news 'Jumping....'. Non-antepost is tomorrow, I believe. A 7-runner race without AOB.

The 48 decs are tomorrow.Its A/P,doubt you'll
get your stake back.
   GL

The Exchange used to inform users when a new market would be formed ie non-antepost. Very Unlucky for backers.

Thought so. The trainer has daid it won't run but they change their minds so the cut off is probably end of today as official w/d
Jeez my luck at the moment

Apparently Real World coughed and scoped badly.

I like Mishriff  - I don't think Native Trail will stay

think the 2 haggas runners if lining up could be some value alenquer has decent form from last season and may have improved since winning curragh group1 not got a lot to find ,dubai honour progressed into a very smart un last season winning group2s and not beaten far in meydan  group1 1st time up this season rated 120 the same as alenquer and a pound behind bay bridge a big price at around 40s if lining up .

The ground could be a real factor for some of these imo.
If it continues to dry out like the forecast says and we have genuinely quick ground I would be against Bay Bridge, the French horse and Alenquer.
Thought Bay Bridge didn't fully extend at Ascot on the quicker ground.
Alenquer's best performances have been on good ground.
To be fair to the French horse he hasn't yet experienced fast ground as is the want over there.
Mishrif needed this run last season.
I am coming down on the side of Native Trail. I am not convinced this is his trip so it will depend on the price.

I cannot have the Gosden charges given their form, jockeys and recent events. I think Alenquer has the form, and is value esp if Vadeni underperforms (or hyped) and Native Trail a non-stayer at this trip.

I'd like to see Vadeni win for Rouget (Almanzor). Horseracing badly needs another Almanzor.

He's running at a 20% strike rate ????

David Egan's got a retainer with Mishriff's ownwer.
No problem with him riding the horse.

i would hope Gosden has Mishriff ready - he produced Nathaniel to win the Eclipse on seasonal debut

I suppose the trip is the doubt with Native Trail. Fwiw, here is how I would price it

Alanquer 9/1
Bay Bridge 8/1
Lord North 10/1
Mishrif 5/1
Native Trail 5/2
Vadeni 3/1

Looks to be in proportion. For me, no one horse has three times the chance of another. I have Gosden's two about the same chance as Native Trail or Vadeni.

Interesting stat mention by RP bloke on tinternet other day
Said only 1 horse has won Eclipse in last 20 years w/o having won over 10 furlongs before
I haven't double-checked it though
Could just be not many non 10f horses have run in it

Refuse To Bend 2004
Giants Causeway won it stepping up from 1M.

Mishriff the bet for me at 8/1 - hopefully they have him cherry ripe this year.

I would say native trail maybe a little rotund for this .  I think he's been let down a bit based on his price and his future engagements Sussex and Juddmonte , this maybe a learning curve . I don't rate French form , lord north wont have the pace and is on the slide , mishriff is having a prep for the king george . At 4-1 in a 5 runner race bay bridge is too big odds wise and same for alenquer .  I think this goes to native trail as a pleasant surprise to the yard .

I'll be laying Vadeni tomorrow.  I've already laid him to lose a 4 lot in the Arc.  If you watch the replay of the Prix Jockey Club, you will see just how well everything worked out for him, right from being drawn in the ideal place (2).  He was able to cruise between leaders (who included Buick who had to work hard from an outer draw to get to the lead).  Then, at halfway Buick pressed on to quickly and Soumillion on Vadeni let them go away from him a little rather than try to chase them.  It turned out he was in the ideal spot and could cruise into the lead in the straight.  Contrast this with the run of Rouget's more fancied other runner, Al Hakeem who must have been 10 lengths behind the leaders turning for home and was beaten just over 6 lengths from a poor draw (11).
(At the end of the coverage Soumillion  was interviewed and the horse that he most enthused over was the Aga's Baiykara who won the fillies group 3 earlier in the day.  Regarding the Arc he said that Vadeni would be a good substitute for Baiykara in the Arc if anything happened to her.  So, at the moment, it looks like Baiykara is the Aga Khan's main hope for the Arc.)
And the opposition in the Eclipse looks so good...
It looks like it could be the best race this year.

Vadeni has a lot of speed, according to the racing manager of his owner. And, at the moment Vadeni will be aimed at the Irish Champion Stakes. As such, I'd lay him for The Arc.

Considering he's only beaten El Bodegon, and a non-stayer in Modern Games in the Prix du Jockey Club he's very short here on the reputation of Rouget (Almanzor) and £50k supplementation. However, I'd back him for the Irish Champion Stakes if he wins tomorrow.

Looks like Native Trail could end up favourite.

Won by 5l eased down. 6/4 SP

El Bodegon and Modern Games (a non-stayer)? I think the others have more solid form to boot.

Where does the pace come from in this race.

All of these won't want it to turn into a 2 furlong sprint but with no confirmed front runner there is the possibility of another falsely run race.

Lack of a true pace setter is a concern???
Had a few £££ on Vadani (3.55) think he has the best turn of foot & I don't think faster ground will trouble him, his sire loved it.
A back to his very best Mishriff would be a tough nut to crack, he'll love the ground, concern would be he needed it in this last yr, before romping home at York.

Had a shilling on Vadeni.

I see nothing in Alenquer's form to say he can beat some of these. Native Trail will go close if running to his best over the longer trip, but in my view he hasn't improved at all at 3 and I wouldn't be surprised if his form takes a dip. I like Bay Bridge and followed him last year after he won at Newbury in a good time. He stepped up significantly this year when winning the Brigadier Gerard Stakes. The way he won he could be even better than the bare form but I only have it as Group 2 class. For me, he should already be a Group 1 winner but Moore was outridden by Crosse in a very slowly run race last time at Royal Ascot. That was a poor Group 1, though. I remember Stoute's 4yos Harbinger and Ulysses really improving on their third starts that season and it would be no surprise to see similar happen here, but I think he's short enough considering his form is more about potential than achievement. I don't really understand the negativity about Vadeni, as the performance was backed up on the clock. I have him 1lb higher than the bare form of Desert Crown's Derby win. I've always believed the 3yo allowance is generous and if he comes here in the same form he won't be easy to beat.

That said, I reckon Mishriff's best form last year puts him a couple of pounds ahead. I know he was a bit disappointing in this last year but, for me, his form stepped up to a new level when he finished second to Adayar. It's complete guesswork if he retains last year's ability, but at this sort of price I have to back him.

Added a shilling each way(3 places)Mishriff.

Soumillon brilliant again.  Frankie used to be his equal but Christophe is on his own now.

And a real beauty in the red dress leading the horse.

Very well done Rouget and Aga Khan! Apparently Mr Gosden is happy with both his runners. I'd reserve judgement until a few day has past.

Terrific race. Mishrif was unlucky.

yes Mishriff very unlucky would have won handily with a clear run - proximity of Lord North makes the form questionable. NT didn't really stay IMO

Btn a Nck & HD,looked like he stayed to me.
Not good enough on the day.
Feltfair
  wd
   GL

Vadeni is a good horse. I do not think he's as good as Almanzor though. Irish Champion Stakes next, I reckoned.

Happy to see Vadeni winning, but boy it was a lucky collect, Mishriff an unlucky loser for sure.

Soumillon said Valdeni stumbled 100 yds from the line and became unbalanced .

Rouget has ducked a duel with Baaeed in The Juddemonte. And, I do not blame him post today. Baaeed is a sweet traveller, and when the turbo button is pressed, he'd be gone - no catching him for him.

Just ask Mr Gosden and Palace Pier; Vadeni is no Palace Pier or Almanzor either.

Is Almanzor your favourite horse of all time imp?

I do not think so. I think it's because I remember Almanzor as I was more interested in horseracing then. The era of Triptich, In The Grove, Reference Point, Slip Anchor, etc, I cannot recollect too much; tick-tack era not SIS then, I believe.

Almanzor beat some very good horses in Minding, Found and others. Also, he was trained by Rouget (under-rated then but focus and never doubly declare his stars). Also, he was a very good betting prospect (antepost) that delivered every time for me.

Great read Figgis - shame about the man on top!  The horse should have won imo.

Yes LH. Not much he could do earlier on, but to continue to go for a non-existent gap, for at least a third time, when Soumillon was opening the door for him with still about 2f to run was poor. Mishriff's price has now shortened for York but I want to see him in the KG.