Epsom Derby 2021

so one placed in the last 10 years

My point being it’s normally a race which O’Brien targets with his future Derby horses, but if that’s what you want to take from it then the answer is yes.

Looks like a ledger hoss

The new Derby fav. Dear oh dear

If nothing else, at least I’ve got some value now. Happy enough with that.

Paterson, wasn't having a pop at you, well done with the value, was just meaning the market overreaction.

The same bookies who are refusing to take bets from recreational punters, and **** claiming horse racing will not exist without their support through the present levy - a pittance in terms of their colossal profit - have trimmed High Definition into 10/1 best best price for this race. Pathetic!

I think it's high time their betting/gaming licences are under a stringent and radical review the way they are taking horse racing for granted and to ransom. They should be operating under a new licence that reflects the digital age and simplicity and surety of another colossal profit eg a tax on their gross turnover where a percentage of which allocated to horse racing.

Incidentally, the lame duck head honcho at the BHA Mr Rust out to be sidelined for even contemplating to go to the government cap-in-hand for a handout to support horse racing - a sport of kings. What a total pillock? I think he's lost touch with the sport entirely, and ought to be ashamed of himself for not batting for the sport.

I'm a horse racing fan and punter but no way can I support asking money from the government. I'd rather have no horse racing for 3 months whilst a new levy agreement is agreed (or not); money would be better spent on more socially conscious projects than supporting horse racing.

The blood-suckers of the sport ie the bookies are still making huge easy profits under the present levy; their colossal profits of many years from fobts should be spent on the sport, and not wasted or siphoned into the pockets of their ceo(s) **** mainly non-conducive for horse racing.

Mr Rust is a total pillock, and not good for horse racing. He's definitely virtue signalling, the bookies being his number 1 destination, I believe.

High Definition, who is a full brother to last year’s race winner Innisfree, is now the 12-1 market leader with Paddy Power for the 2021 Epsom Classic.

O’Brien, who was winning his 20th Beresford Stakes overall, said: “He’s lovely and puts away a lot of ground. He’s a big, rangy horse with a massive, big stride and is one to really look forward to.

“It was the same in his maiden – you would say he’s not going to get there and in the end he’s won easily.

“I’d say we’ll put him away now. He could start in a Guineas and he looks like he’ll be a middle-distance horse.

“I was a bit worried about the bend as he’s never been around one before.”

I’m all over Derab at a Billies boosted 55/1 for this.

A Khalid Abdullah homebred Sea The Stars half-brother to Enable in the care of John Gosden and so likely to be ridden by Dettori,

A very eye catching educational run on debut when second to La Barrosa at Ascot iver 7f. Winner won a Group 3 at Newmarket at 4/7 on Thursday and the very well backed 3rd at Ascot trained by Roger Varian hacked up next time.

Knowing Gosden he’ll find a nice easy race at Kenpton or Newcastle, or maybe Nottingham where Golden Horn won his maiden, before a Derby trial next spring.

Given his breeding and connections I’d have expected him to only be about 20/1, time to bet like men.

10/1 seems fair enough at this stage.

O'brein trained, by Galileo

Unreal run where he came from, even last 150 yards looked well beat and sprouted wings.

1m 4f will be no problem

The winning time was over 9s above standard. Opposition?

Very good spot unclepuncle, just watched the replay of his debut there. As you said, Gosden should find a nice opportunity for him before the end of the season and the general 50’s on offer seems more than fair. Have just added him to my tracker there.

Derab for me as well.

Strange that the 50/1 is still available for such a powerful yard.

Time to bet like men me thinks ?

I have had a small interest High Definition and Derab too at 25s and 50s. I think they could both develop into Derby contenders if they hopefully progress as expected.

I have taken the plunge an stuck a few quid on Lone Eagle @ 33/1 (365)

By Galileo I have  backed him most of his starts and surely they're dreaming of Epsom.

At the very least I can see him winning a trial and the price collapsing!

G/L.

Re the opening post

Calling St Nicholas Abbey a superstar is a bit of an exaggeration. He actually literally could not get Frankel off the bit. Now there was a real superstar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh8StaAB4-c

Still gives you goose bumps. We have never seen anything quite like him and being old I probably won’t again.

well done if you got the big prices on high definition, he is into single figgas now ,sorting through ballydoyles derby hopes takes some doing and its prob now a question of which  has progressed through  the winter,  high definition won  on his debut  at the curragh coming from last to first in taking fashion, but just 3/4 of a length behind him was stablemate WORDSWORTH who ran a very promising race himself  and started fav for that curragh maiden . stoutly bred  by galileo plenty of stamina in the pedigree and always prominent he led near the finish only to be passed by the winner close home  both he and the winner have plenty of scope for improvement just think 50/1 is too big .

Any news of Master of the Seas?
I didn't spot any comments about the horse in Godolphins Dubai squad.

The horse may not prove up to 12f, but it won well over 7f as a July 3yo at Newmarket so that's always a positive sign of stamina.

High Definition...looks a decent one alright, but limited appeal at current prics, and I can see him being more effective over the Leger distance

I be amazed if Wordsworth beats High Def in any race they meet to be honest, come from last, ran away from Words.

Big old lump High, not certain Epsom will suit.

High Definition,looks more likely to
take a Derby trial in than the 2000G.
(O'Brien)

"He is very special."

7/1 favourite for the Derby at
@EpsomRacecourse
,
@Ballydoyle
maestro Aidan O'Brien is relishing 2021 with the unbeaten High Definition who won the Beresford Stakes this year, but also gives a nod to Criterium winner Van Gogh

If High Definition wins this no punter can accuse AOB of hiding him; 6/1 is very short despite his impressive win from a seemingly hopeless position 1f out in his only outing. But, he'll be much shorter if winning one of the recognised Trials in Ireland. Let's hope we see a truly outstanding Derby winner since Golden Horn in 2014.

thought he had 2 outings unbeaten 2 from 2

You're probably right. Only one figures in my memory though.

won his maiden beating stablemate wordsworth 3/4 of a length ,then won the beresford coming from last and showing an impressive turn of foot inside the final furlong won easily in the end after looking an unlikely winner a furlong out . looks a weapon and aob seems to like him a lot ,just the price a bit short for me but could see him starting very short for the derby if he gets there all things equal good spot paterson.

AOB nothing but good words about all his main charges from last season. Just over 5 weeks to 1st Classic at Newmarket. How interesting.

cleveland ....i noticed a few weeks back that there was money on the pink side waiting to back this so had a closer look at the horse , trained by aob  by camelot /venus de milo 3 races as a 2 yo ending with a 4l win in a curragh maiden ,entered in the irish and english derbys ,stamina packed pedigree  and got better with exp last season 33/1 for the epsom gig  worth keeping an eye with regards to high definition and possibly one for the irish derby or st leger .

I've added Tasman Bay @ 100 to my Derab bet.

Interesting, looking at the market it is now 50, they must be scared of my miniscule bet ??

cleveland entered for the ballysax stakes at leopardstown this weekend .

Derab declared at Newbury on Sunday for a mile maiden.
Not the sort or target I'd have expected if Gosden saw him as a Derby horse.

wordsworth entered at the  curragh 1.2 m maiden ,have has some each way for the leger 33/1 hillz

Can see now why they ran Derab over the mile.
He’s clearly a bit of a nut job and fought for his head for two furlongs meaning he had nothing left when the winner quickened. Surprised he was so strong in the market.

Hard to see him staying further unless they can teach him to settle.

LONE EAGLE runs in the Sandown trial on Friday.  Last chance to get 33/1 as he will go close imo

Just had a little top up on Van Gogh .
Seems to be getting backed down in places .
Good luck all