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2020 king george chase kempton .
2020 king george chase kempton .
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Well i did say no bet for me, as i have doubts about them all.
Have changed my mind, i still have doubts but at the prices have decided to take a chance on ST Calvados. Big doubt on the distance but worth a small wager to find out if he can stay 3m well enough. |
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I'm a follower of NH racing however, only realised Kauto Star won it 5x. But, his opponents were pants; odds-on 4x reflected that.
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Was going to back the Nicholl`s front two at around 4/5 but ended up backing Santini at 8.6 and trading at 6.6. Free win bet and will take some 11/10 ish x3 places.
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don't normally do these,but done
Lostintranslation to do the double @40s. |
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If CDO does not do a 3rd-timer I'd like to Lost to win it for connections. The horse deserves it too on last season's Betfair victory.
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Penzance
Whose that with ? |
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Penzance
Whose that with ? |
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the Stoke outfit.
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Still available mate? cant find it
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go A/P racing ,then specials 40s still
there by the looks of it. |
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Yep, found it.
Thanks Penzance and apologies for disturbing your racing. Good luck |
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no problem.
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Oh well I got it wrong he’s vanquished the horse, well done on the lay Penzance and others that may have landed on the winner
I don’t understand Cobdens thinking in not letting a horse like that stride out. I was worried about it when I heard him talking like he was and in the end it bore out he was very disappointing and now is a vanquished horse that I’ve got wrong Well done winners |
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Still love to see him in the Queen Mum...loose on the lead, it would be fascinating to see I think.
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wd Nocturnal and anyone else who backed it. Disappointing runs for the backers of the big guns
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cheers
GL 2021. |
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Well done nocturnal and Bryony. She was wearing the trousers there. De Boinville should be shot for allowing her the easiest of leads though Nicky was probably using the race as a prep for Cheltenham.
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Yep, and a good prep imo.
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Noc
wd GL |
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Frodon , Magnificent ride , looked behind about four out and must have been delighted to see how many were struggling . What on earth happened at Aintree apart from the missing fences.
Waiting Patiently , looked booked for fourth at best 3 out and then turbo finish. CDO ,seemed to be breasting the fences , but battled on to the line. Saint Calvados , huge run ,stamina was always going to be an issue at the end. Santini , looked like what he is a stayer ,followed the leader outpaced and then staying on again .....will go close again in March. BLack Op - respectable run in 6th. Lostintranslation looks a lost cause Cyrname went from hacking up ,got one fence wrong and game over , we will have to see if there is an issue. |
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The King George result is usually reliable but that was an unsatisfactory race for me. Two and a half seconds slower than Shan Blue’s effort (he carried 3lb less).
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Bryony and Frodon were well-deserved winners. I wonder what connections of Monalee think of the race. One that got away?
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vwd noc and good luck
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Good write up and good call nocturnal.
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Yeah well done noc much deserved...nice to see you in good form and getting some justice
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Well done Frodon and connections.
Can’t help feeling Kim Bailey has missed a trick not involving Imperai Aura and or Vinndication. I hope they are healthy. |
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Thanks everyone,really appreciated.
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well done frodon backers
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My take on Santini is that he beat one home, Black Op. I have never rated him and never will. Midland National off 150 perhaps?
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Santini is a stayer and the 2020 KG was not one in which stayers excelled. Waiting Patiently had no form beyond 2 miles 5 furlongs but he sprinted home. There was one good ride in that race by Bryony.
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Sage no fan of him nearly winning the Gold Cup.
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Lostintranslation has not been sighted since.
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I'm not a fan of Santini per se but as far as his Gold cup chances go, they are much the same as they were before the KG with nothing lost in his defeat.
We knew before the race that he'd be outpaced at some point and that is what happened, in fact the race actually panned out worse than his fans could actually have feared and he probably comes out with a little more credit due to it. Bryony stacked them up from the word go and the fact that Santini "the boat" was the one racing comfortably in second just highlights the steady nature through a large part of the race. He made a mistake at a crucial point as the pace quickened but responded, but ultimately his lack of toe saw him beat but he did stay on again late. The usual GC test will see him in a much better light, he's proven that, but I will only back him if they change the headgear, because he is a rogue, he's proven that, but it means he has yet untapped potential, if they can unlock that then he'd be very interesting for me. |
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Interesting analysis Duffy,always welcomed,I see him slightly differently.
That "slowboat" tag will be churned out repeatedly before March. A horse that could lie up with the pace in a GC and KG is touted as slow ? Three times he has run with "Good" in the going description,beaten in all three races. Everything about him tells me he wants genuine soft,or worse ground. He surprised me in the GC,given a woeful ride in my opinion,he should have won. Where would I have him if it came up soft in March,very close to heading the market. IF he does need specific conditions,his run last year in the GC could be seen as remarkable. Never backed or laid the horse,so very neutral on him,he remains a puzzle. As for Frodon,we will see the same media driven drivel between now and March. People will point to the fact WP was gaining on him at Kempton towards the line. The problem with that,they ran very diffent races,I think the winner had more in the locker. That 2m 4f battler of old is gone,does he still have untapped potential in the staying division ? Mr-Sykes summed it up beautifully on page 8,in one sentence. The last two runnings of this have been less than satisfactory,shocking if I,m being honest. Some of what we have seen needs questioning,I will leave it at that. This is top level graded racing,cherished by true fans for what it should truly represent. |
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If we'd listened to trainers and esp "professional" pundits/tipsters almost every one of us would be in the poor house the next day; the "professional" pundits/tipster are usually feathering their own nests or that of their employers ie the bookies.
The last two King Georges were substandard, and CDO would have won given a more positive ride instead of trying to "manage" his main protagonist and hyped stablemate runner ie Cyrname. Will these "professional" pundits and tipsters finally admit the victory of Cyrname over Altior was "over-rated" unjustifiably for obvious reasons? Or will they still subscribe to the fodder/excuses trawled out by his trainer in fear of the possible repercussion professionally? |
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CDO jumped as if it were the first time he'd seen a fence for most of the race, he did well to finish as close as he did, but from very early on he was the first one beat.
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Both Cyrname and Altior were affected by the Ascot race and probably won't ever get close to those ratings but does that automatically mean they were overrated on the day? Solomon Grey was their sole opponent and he was never going to finish better than third but he has run to a higher rating since.
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There I was thinking Cyrname redeemed himself at Wetherby beating 3rd raters, according to the "professional" pundits and tipsters; Nicholls has form with Conti and CDO repeatedly running them in the Gold Cup. He even ran the former in the Grand National or one of the trials, I believe.
Can anyone remember Sir Cecil or Sir Stoute doing that with any of their talented charges? I do not. |
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They have both won since that showdown but have then been beaten badly. Classic sign of a horse losing its enthusiasm imo. Many years ago I had a share in a pretty good horse called Meister who had won 5 races. After a summer break, he came back with top weight in a handicap and just got home again but he never really tried again after that effort. They get to a limit and most then decline, only a special few keep coming back. Lostintranslation didn't even show interest first time up but the yard have been in awful form.
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I think (hope I'm wrong) Lostintranslation has gone the same way as Might Bite. The former could have run up to his potential in the Gold Cup last season. So far way below. A change of stable or discipline perhaps eg Yorkhill.
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