National Hunt 20/21 Big Races Thread

5.25 San
Solo 0.5pt win @ 6/1 (VC)
Comanche Red 0.5pt win @ 20/1 (B3.6.5)

Morning All

"Larry The Lamb" or "Lazarus Larry" ,equine Soduku GI

Spare a thought for Crosspark,last winning mark 135 in feb 2019.

Two years later,without a success,tops this lot off 150,how can that attract owners long term ?

He,s an 11 yr old,by my calculations,misguided or not,I would have him off 132 today.

Change the system overnight,placed horses get a reduction in mark,2lb for second,3lb for third.

Unplaced horses are reviewed every 3 races,pulled up requires a 30 day holiday,far too much of this going on.

What we have at the moment lacks any kind of fore-thought.

Qualifying races like the Pertemps Final would be another area,bundles of opportunity for horses of all calibre,less racing and bigger cards might also attract more paying customers,it might also cut down costs for trainers/owners in the bleak times forecast ahead.

Quite sad looking at that Whitbread race today,how things have changed.

I digress,4 tricky handicaps and some classy sorts ensure something for everyone,whatever your stance.

Tough looking day.

3.05 San
Grenateen 1pt win @ 8/1 (Ski)

morning noc
Tough racing indeed, hcps are wide open.
Interesting idea RE handicaps, would add some more variables into the puzzle; running for 3rd place to get a drop in the weights...

Crosspark has finished 2nd in good class handicaps 5 times in his last 6 runs, inc only beaten in three, by 1 length, 3/4 and nose respectively. Which is why handicapper hasn't relented.

Re ' place ' results, the Official Ratings will always be reflected on the distance the horse is beaten by.
Obviously a horse finishing 2nd  bearen   a short head, is not going to be viewed the same as one beaten 20 lengths.

In my calculations i look at the horses relationship between their finishing position and the race distance..
eg a horse finishing 2nd btn 1/2 length  over 2m I would count as a ' winner ' as would one finishing 4th btn 3 lengths over 3 miles

Morning both

Aye ,a three runner handicap might be very interesting.

Perfectly answered Facts re Crosspark,except for one thing.

Would he have a 1 to his name if the handicapper had relented ?

Not a big yard,superbly handled to produce his running 5/6 times,bottom line is he,s getting beat.

The only way they can get him down is to mask his ability .... Is that the way forward ?

Giving trainers another option is my thinking,the system at present only encourages skull-duggery.

It goes much deeper,are Veteran races another cop out for an antiquated system that rewards mediocrity.

Finnishing positions are tricky,a huge % of these races make a mockery of the term handicap.

Horses being shoved along after one fence/hurdle .... a disgrace,hence the ban from running.

No easy solutions granted,I would like to see more competitive racing full stop.

4.50 Sand
Farinet 1pt win @ 13/2 (VC)

1.55 San
Celestial Force 1pt win @ 10/1 (WH)

1355 Sandown - Herbiers 1pt Win 11’s (Various)

Fab

1-55 sand

Sheldon 0.5pt

Twominutes Turkish 0.5pt

Thanks Noc, WP Facts

Oaksey Chase - Militarian 0.5pt 50’s (Various)

Well Done Facts / Fab ..... Great start

That was hello Fab ... Keep them donkeys to yourself

Thanks Fab and noc. Glad we agreed on Herbiers, Fab
Well done getting on at 11/1.

wp gents

Thanks Facts, Mac

Hello Noc

3-05 sand

Greaneteen 0.5pt

Dolos 0.5pt

Played Noc

Wd noc

Thanks Mac

B365 Gold Cup
El Presente 1pt Win 11’s (Various)
The Young Master 1pt EW 28’s (Sky 6pl)

WP GI  .... Keep them coming.

3-40 sandown

Bob Mahler 0.75pt

Doing Fine 0.25pt

Irish Prophecy 0.25pt

Checkitout 0.25pt

cheers noc, wp you. Wouldnt like to be sorting that stewards enquiry out...

WP Mac with Grenateen

Poor Kitty's Light - robbed !!

cheers

4.15 San
Pic D'Orhy 1pt win @ 5/1 (Unibert)

4-15 sand


Pic Dorhy 0.5pt

Indefatigable 0.5pt

Sorry Mac, missed it WP with Greaneteen

1650 Sandown - Lust For Glory 0.5pt Win 11’s (Various)

4-50 sand

Ashutor 0.5pt

Fairway Freddie 0.5pt

1725 Sandown - Solo 1pt Win 11-2 (Lads)

5-25 sand

Thibault 0.33pt

Byron Flyer 0.33pt

Haafapiece 0.33pt

Everyone with a winner today, great stuff.

Well, that's it for another season, been a blast as ever gents, plenty of winners from everyone. I'm looking forward to a wee break, hope you all enjoy the flat season and find plenty of winners, take it easy.

+174.14 / 1 IP

Supreme Escape -0.5
tea Time On Mars -0.5
The Wicket Chicken -0.5
My Old Gold -1
Larry -1
Solo -0.5
Comanche Red -0.5
Grenateen +8
Farinet 0 (NR)
Celestial Force -1
Pic Dorhy -1

Antipost
El Presente +3.63

+179.27 / 0 IP

Enjoy your summer Mac, and well done again with that brilliant total, and of course Freewheelin Dylan

B/F +90.13

Valtor -1
B365 Gold Cup -4.9
Lust For Glory -0.5
Solo -1
Militarian -0.5

Herbiers +11

C/F +93.23

Punchestown Stayers Hurdle - Heaven Help Us 0.9pt EW 33’s (Koral)
Punchestown Gold Cup - The Storyteller 0.9pt Win 20’s (Various)
Ryanair Novice Chase - Janidil 1pt Win 10’s (Various)

Closing balance - 15pts.

Well done guys who made a profit with selections. Great stuff.
Now for the Flat  Handicaps

Cheers Fab, much appreciated.

Tremendous season GI

A lesson for all of us,stuck with it until that door finally opened.

Puts the work into every selection,delighted to see you get the rewards for that effort.

Top guy,quietly goes about his business,absolute pleasure to be around.


Facts ... Same sentiment,plenty of close ones went against you,no mind you kept at it.

I have little doubt you will come back stronger than ever,respect.


There has been the odd winner just outside the top of the market,I might call them "Dylans" from now on.

Couple still owe me that might get the nod for Punchy,we will see.

Thanks noc, appreciated. But well done to you too. Tremendous tipping success, excellent profit.
And yes, looking forward to the Punchestown Handicaps next week

Cheers noc, kind words. As Facts says, great effort by yourself and also Fab this season, regular stream of winners from you both.
Take it easy...

1540 - Great Bear 1pt Win 11’s (B365)

1540 - Fighting Fit 0.5pt  Win 9’s
1650 - Midnight Run 1.4pt Win 18’s
Both B365

1650 - The Mouse Doctor 0.7pts EW 28’s (Sky 7pls)

1615 - Suprise Package - 0.45pts EW 33’s (B365)

1900 Ten Ten 1pt Win 10’s (B365)

Nice one Fab. Great winner. The price was long gone when I saw it.

Thanks Pete

1755 Melon 1.3pt Win 16’s (Various)

1830 - O’Toole 0.5pt EW 40’s (B365)

Big Hit Fab .... WP

6-30 punchestown

Ramillies 0.33pt

Lake Winnipesaukee 0.33pt

Otoole 0.33pt

Thanks Noc

1900
Midnight Maestro 28’s
Or Jaune De Somoza 66’s
Both 0.5pts EW 7pls (Sky)

7-00 punch

Lord Schnitzel 0.25pt

Thatsy 0.25pt

Fitzhenry 0.25pt

Or Jaune De Somoza 0.25pt

7-35 punch

Choice Of Words 0.33pt

Condesa 0.33pt

Broomfield Hall 0.33pt

1615 - Kildoderry 0.9pt EW 25’s (PP 6pl)
1650 - Blue Templar 1pt Win 11’s (Sportsbook)
1800 - Pure Genius 1.3pt Win 6’s (B365)

1800 Dallas Des Pictons 0.8pt Win 14’s (Lads)

1540
Golden Spear 0.45pts EW 50’s
Ghost Serge 0.25pts EW 250’s
Both Sky 7 pls

1615
Sully Doc 1pt Win 13-2
Aramax 0.5pt Win 25’s
Both B365

1725 - The Storyteller 0.7pt Win 16’s (B365)

Well Played again Budd .... Keep them coming

5-25 punch

Ronald Pump 0.5pt

The Storyteller 0.5pt

Cheers Noc, best of luck today

Looks like I need it

6-00 punchestown

Young Ted 0.25pt

Capilano Bridge 0.25pt

A Great View 0.25pt

Happy Jacky 0.25pt

1905 - Bigbadandbeautiful 1pt Win 10’s (B365)

7-05 punch

Hook Up 0.5pt

The West Awaits 0.5pt

1615
Ificudiwud 0.9pt EW 20’s (PP 5pl)
School Boy Hours 10’s 1pt Win 10’s (B365)

1725 - Sharjah 1.5pt EW 9’s (Koral)

4-50 punchestown

Abbey Majic 0.33pt

Salsaretta 0.33pt

Ellie Mac 0.33pt

5-25 punch

Abacadabras 0.33pt

Jason The Militant 0.33pt

Goshen 0.33pt

1800 - N’Golo 0.5pt Win 16’s (Various)

1450 - Regal Encore 3pt Win 16’s (B365)

1835 - Auvergnat 0.5pts EW 66’s (Various 4pl)

6-35 punch

It Came To Pass 0.25pt

On The Sod 0.25pt

Dylrow 0.25pt

Solomn Grundy 0.25pt

1905 - Dreamsrmadeofthis 1pt Win 10’s (Koral)

7-05 punch

Lieutenant Command 0.33pt

Kalkas 0.33pt

El Barra 0.33pt

Well done Noc

Played Noc

1630 Punchestown - Ten Ten 1pt Win 11’s (B365)

1705 Punchestown - On Eagles Wings 0.9pt Win 12’s (Various)

Thanks both .... Always tricky these back-end meetings.

Better luck with Ten Ten I hope Fab,that was a nonner in my book....Infuriating as a punter.

Your still sussing them JP horses out,always felt  win only from that crew.

Lets see how Hurricane gets on today,both of his have a squeak in the opener.

Never been to the track,the back drop on some of the shots looks amazing,lovely course.

Another tough looking day handicap wise,getting one right can be the difference.

GL those playing.

Cheers Noc, very lucky with Ten Ten the other day, had him with a couple of forms, both refunded, but I wouldn’t even have looked for it, assumed he’d be declared a runner.

Fancy him today, but I think he’s going to be a “nearly” horse for me. Definitely be giving Scoir Mear a go as well

1415 Punchestown - Neverushacon 1pt Win 11-2 (Sportsbook)

SM looks a little high to me,but he is in fine fettle,like theirs with the first time pieces lower down.

2-50 punch

Dromore Lad 0.5pt

Rockys Silver 0.25pt

Dragon Destruval 0.25pt

1505 Uttoxeter - Some Day Soon 0.45pts EW 22’s (Various)

3-05 uttox

Diese Des Bieffes 1pt

3-20 punch

My Sister Sarah 0.33pt

Skyace 0.33pt

Burning Victory 0.33pt

3-35 uttox

Boldmere 0.75pt

Dandy Dan 0.25pt

1535 Uttoxeter - Relentless Dreamer 0.8pt Win 14’s (Various)

3-00 punch

Saint Sam 0.33pt

Jeff Kidder 0.33pt

Zoffanien 0.33pt

Excellent shout Noc

Thanks

4-30 punch

Castle Oliver 0.33pt

Brahma Bull 0.33pt

Best Behaviour 0.33pt

1630
Brahma Bull 14’s
Scoir Mear 22’s
Both 0.5pt Win Various

WP again Noc

1705
De Name Escapes Me 1.5pt EW 35’s (Sportsbook 6pl)

Well Played Fab .... Your a forecast man

5-00 punch

Foveros 0.25pt

Koshari 0.25pt

Tronador 0.25pt

Ilikedwayurthinking 0.25 pt

On fire Noc, brilliant

My last one for this season

1740 - Irregularheartbeat 1.4pt Win 8’s (B365)

Nah, I just like the names of them .... appreciated.

5-40 punch

Tucanae 0.33pt

Spruced Up 0.33pt

Brogine 0.33pt

7-25 hexham

Kaizer 0.5pt

Aire Valley Lad 0.5pt

+58.71

shel/tmt -1
dolos -0.5
greaneteen +3.8  (8.6)
bm/df/Ip/check -1.5
pd/Indef -1
ash/ff -1
tmb/bf/haaf -1
ram/lw/otoole -1
Is/thatsy/fitz/ojds -1
cbw/cond/bh -1
rp/storey -1
yt/cb/agv/hj -1
hu/twa -1
am/sals/em -1
aba/jtm/goshen -1
Ictp/ots/dyl/sg -1
Ic/kalk -0.66
el barra +4.87  (15.61)
dl/rs/dd -1
diese -1
mss/sky/bv -1
bold/dd -1
ss/zoff -0.66
j kidder +9.66  (30.0)
co/bb -0.66
br bull +7.33  (23.0)
fov/tron/Ilike -0.75
koshari +10.25   (42.0)
tuc/su/bro -1
kaiz/avl -1

+71.09  Season End

Note to self,keep an up to date P/L

Fab .... Another cracking season mate,ultra consistent with plenty of big winners in there.

Sense of humour,uncanny knack for spotting horses long term targets,another who puts in a huge amount of work.

Tremendous punter,right up there with anyone you care to mention,top man to boot,enough said.

Thanks to everyone who contributes,too many to mention,everyone of you commands respect.

Pleasure as always.

Take it easy.

Re above. Instead of 1 pt per race spit between number of selections, stake 1 pt win on each selection.:-


73 selections with 5 winners

To a 1 pt win on each selection :-

Stake 73 pts

Sp 114
Return 119

Profit 46 pts

Thanks Noc, much appreciated. Really enjoyed it again, and a belter for yourself, and some serious hits for you at Cheltenham. Looking forward to the break now, bar the odd Flat bet, but it’ll be Galway before you know it.

B/F +93.23

Heaven Help Us -1.8
The Storyteller -1.6
Janidil -1
Great Bear -1
Fighting Fit -0.5
Midnight Run -1.4
The Mouse Doctor -1.4
Melon -1.3
Or Jaune De Somoza -1
Blue Templar -1
Pure Genius -1.3
Golden Spear -0.9
Ghost Serge -0.5
Dallas Des Pictons -0.8
Aramax -0.5
Bigbadandbeautiful -1
Ificudiwud -1.8
School Boy Hours -1
N’Golo -0.5
Regal Encore -3
Auvergnat -1
Dreamsrmadeofthis -1
Ten Ten -1
On Eagles Wings -0.9
Neverushacon -1
Scoir Mear -0.5
Relentless Dreamer -0.8
Irregularheartbeat -1.4
De Name Escapes Me -0.3

Ten Ten 0
O’Toole +3.5
Suprise Package +17.82
Midnight Maestro +2.3
Kildoderry +3.6
Sully Doc +6.5
Sharjah +1.2
Brahma Bull +7
Some Day Soon +1.53

Final +105.48

Very well played Fab. Excellent tipping.

Thanks Facts, hopefully see you for a few big Flat Handicaps this summer

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