Dewhurst Stakes (Oct 12th)

The early market is: Pinatubo (4/11), Palace Pier (10/1) with Siskin, Earthlight and Mogul all on (14/1), 16/1 bar; 4/11 is a great price for Pinatubo (if he turns up), otherwise (14/1) Earthlight is tremendous value too.

4/11 is a great price for Pinatubo (if he turns up), otherwise (14/1) Earthlight is tremendous value too

So 4/11 is a great price for the fav but only if we know he'll turn up, which we don't. Earthlight is also a great price but only if the fav doesn't turn up, which has been acknowledged we don't know. Thanks for that.

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I wonder if Siskin may now turn up for this? Or would Ger be fearful of returning/subjecting the horse to the scene of a bad experience a couple of weeks earlier. It would at least give Pinaturbo at least one worthy opponent.

Siskin may if no show from Pinatubo along with many others as this race is a Gp 1 which is a huge kudos for horse and connections; a bit like gaining a 1:1 from Oxbrdge. Sheikh Mo might be tempted too with Earthlight. I wonder if bookies will be offering a price for Sheikh Mo be present for the 2010 Guineas Meeting? And, Princess Haya?

They were both there in 2010.

Any latest news on the leading contenders?

Pinatubo is 2/5. Next best is Wichita (4/1); Molatham (15/2, 2nd engagement; Arizona and Posiitve both 16/1. Surely Pinatubo at 2/5 is astounding value on form. He's rated 11lbs superior to Wichita.

On form another very easy win anticipated for Pinatubo on saturday.

I have laid Pinatubo as 4/11 looks too skinny .

Can’t back favourite at the odds, but i’m Going to keep faith in Royal Commando ew at 66/1, (100/1 with some books) . Think it’s been unlucky in some of its running, and hopefully will sneak a place.

Something would have to go seriously wrong for Pinatubo to not win the Dewhurst, will probably win by atleast five if pushed right out. 1.34 seems a good price as should be closer to 1.1 I reckon. He is already good enough to win an average 2,000 guineas without wfa. He reminds me more of Dancing Brave than Frankel as he has phenomenal type 2a muscles. The way he scampered away in the last furlong of the national was a sight to behold. Quite how far he will stay next year, I don’t know but I would say he will be best at 1m 2f and if he stays 1m 4f ( slight doubt on breeding), he could be an all time great though I doubt as good as Frankel was.

1.34 looks enormous and an easy trade, I expect the price will get hammered down to around 1.25

There isn't a 2 year old that can live with him, and this looks a piss poor field for a Dewhurst.

think i will be playing in the without fav market here

He's 2/1 here to win by 4l or more - the fav winning distance; 3/1 not to win. Could the bog (ground) hold him? I hope Buick does not bottom him and go for another scintillating victory for the privileged of his boss - he's here to bask in glory (perhaps). But, no Princess Haya.

Reckon Earthlight would have beaten him today if they had come here instead of the Middle Park.

if they both turn up for the 2000 guineas, will be the most exciting race for me since 2014 when kingman was just beaten, lot of the stride and cadence
experts believe earthlight is more of a sprinter 6/7f horse, pinatubo moves like a very serious horse and earthlight is fast and tenacious.

He is very good and I think he is a few pounds better than the 2-y-o Too Darn Hot but doubt the Curragh form is as good as it looked .

A few pounds, try a stone better

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dunlaying, you pocket talking here?