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And with the Galway Festival we're back

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Max stake 6pts for Cheltenham Festival races
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Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 10:47 AM GMT
Pertemps
Sunset Showdown 0.5pt ew @ 50/1 (Unibart 5plcs 1/5)
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 11:01 AM GMT
Marsh - Midnight Shadow 0.9pts win 22’s (B365)

Pertemps - Dream Berry 1pt win 16’s ( Various)

Stayers - Tobefair 1.5pts ew 4pls 50’s (Bvic)

Kim Muir - Cloth Cap 3pt win 16’s (Various)
Report cvbyrne. March 12, 2020 11:11 AM GMT
Stoney Mountain 1.5pt ew 7plc pp

Robin Des Foret 1.5pt bf sp
Siruh Du Lac 1.5pt bf sp

Milan Native 1.5pt bf sp
Report cvbyrne. March 12, 2020 11:12 AM GMT
Stoney 33/1 ^
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 11:20 AM GMT
Pertemps
Skandiburg 1pt win @ 10/1 (VC)
Report chewy11 March 12, 2020 11:39 AM GMT
Marsh - Itchy Feet 1pt win 9/2 var
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 12:26 PM GMT
Plate
Death Duty 0.5 pt ew @ 22/1
Robin Des Foret 0.5pt ew @ 16/1
Both B3.6.5 5plc 1/4
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 12:41 PM GMT
Marsh
Itchy Feet 1pt win @ 9/2 (B3.6.5)
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 1:28 PM GMT
1-30 chelt

Itchy Feet 0.5pt
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 1:42 PM GMT
Pertemps
Dream Berry 0.8pts Win 14’s
Kansas City Chief 0.5pts ew 7pls 50’s (PP)
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 2:08 PM GMT
2-10 chelt

Royal Thief 0.5pt

Tout Est Permis 0.5pt

Stoney Mountain 0.25pt

Sunset Showdown 0.25pt
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 2:25 PM GMT
Ryanair
Frodon 1pt win 6’s (Lads)
Shattered Love 0.5pt win 28’s (Koral)
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 2:43 PM GMT
2-50 chelt

Shattered Love 0.5pt

Aso 0.5pt

Duc Des Genievres 0.25pt
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 3:11 PM GMT
what's your thoughts on the ground today noc?
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 3:27 PM GMT
3-30 chelt

Penhill 0.5pt

City Island 0.5pt

Ronald Pump 0.25pt
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 3:50 PM GMT
Afternoon GI

Not sure there is too much good/sft judging by the times compared to standard.

Stiffer course and headwind might be a factor,very fair for all of them at the moment.

What was Sheehan doing Ryanair,same comments for Tommy on Ronald Pump Cry
Report sintonian March 12, 2020 3:50 PM GMT
4.10 Imperial Presence 80/1, 3.65 1pt ew Robin De Foret 1pt ew 16/1, 3.65
Report chewy11 March 12, 2020 4:03 PM GMT
Brown chase - Not another Muddle .5pt ew 20/1 6plcs Sky
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 4:03 PM GMT
Brown Advisory
Spiritofthegames 1.2pt 16’s
Livelovelaugh 0.8pt 40’s
Snow Falcon 0.9pt 35’s
Imperial Presence 0.4pt 80’s
All win various
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 4:10 PM GMT
4-10 chelt

Death Duty 0.5pt

Snow Falcon 0.5pt

Springtown Lake 0.5pt

Highway One O One 0.25pt

Charmant 0.25pt
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 4:20 PM GMT
cheers noc

Mares Nvc
Mount Ida 0.5pt ew @ 25/1 (B3.6.5 4plcs 1/5)
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
4-50 chelt

Mount Ida 0.5pt

Ard Abhainn 0.5pt

Yukon Lil 0.5pt

Rhythm Divine 0.25pt ew
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
Mares Novice - Midnights Gift 0.4pts ew 4pls 100’s (Various)
Report cvbyrne. March 12, 2020 4:59 PM GMT
Hook Up 1.5pt e/w 40/1 4plc pp

Aramon 2pt 8/1 b365
Moyhaayed 2pts 12/1 bs

Cobblers Way 2pt 14/1 b365

Santini 2pt 5/1 ub
Lostintranslation 2pt 8/1 gen

Minella Rocco 2pt 11/2 gen

Two Taffs 2pt 20/1 gen
Us and Them 1pt 25/1 coral

Espoir Du Romay 2pt 25/1 b365
Umbrigado 1pt 20/1 gen
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 5:20 PM GMT
Kim Muir
The Young Master 0.8pts ew 66’s (B365)
Go Another One 0.5pt win 50’s
Deise Aba 0.9pt win 9’s
Both Various
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 5:24 PM GMT
5-30 chelt

Plan Of Attack 0.5pt

Kilfillum Cross 0.5pt

Cloth Cap 0.5pt

Bob Mahler 0.5pt
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 5:54 PM GMT
A winner would be nice Plain. Won the pp today though, sadly just a 10p line Laugh

-3.65 / 1 IP

Penhill -1
Bacardys +2.8
Kilfilum Cross -0.5
Saint Sonner -1
Sunset Sundown -1
Skandiburg -1
Death Duty -1
Robin Des Foret -1
Itchy Feet -1
Mount Ida -1

Antipost
Frodon -1

-9.35 / 0 IP
Report Facts March 12, 2020 6:00 PM GMT
This is tough going guys ! Sad
Report nocturnal March 12, 2020 6:24 PM GMT
WP GI ......On the pot,not to be sniffed at.

I,m with Facts today,bloodbath this end.

One day left to re-dress the balance,some tremendous finnishes first 3 days,quality racing.
Report Facts March 12, 2020 6:32 PM GMT
Cheltenham


Final Day

2.10 Ciele De Neige       2 pts win 8/1 b 3 6 5

5.30 The Bosses Oscar  2 pts win 12/1 lad
Report sintonian March 12, 2020 7:52 PM GMT
have a mare here tooCry

well done to Miller backing Imperial Aura at 25/1 sometime ago on here

Triumph - Allmankind 3pts 9/2, 3.65
Report GI MAC March 12, 2020 10:16 PM GMT
Martin Pipe
Doctor Duffy 0.5pt ew @ 40/1 (Unibart 5plcs 1/5)
Report Fabulous March 12, 2020 11:12 PM GMT
Triumph - A Wave Of The Sea 0.9pts win 12’s (Various)
Report chewy11 March 13, 2020 6:59 AM GMT
-9.5
Itchy Feet -1
Not another Muddle-1
-11.5
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 7:23 AM GMT
Well Done Miller ..... Cracking Ante-Post bet

CVB  "Milan Native 1.5pts bfsp" .......Shocking Ommission Shocked,lovely hit.

Day 4 looks just as difficult,there will be clues from the first 3 days,finding them is the hard bit.

GI ...... Can you send todays placepot selections over once sorted,many thanks Wink
Report cvbyrne. March 13, 2020 8:37 AM GMT
wd winners so far this week.

also have cancelled out of my Lostintranslation bet at par (he's still 8/1 gen)

Gold Cup
Clan Des Obeaux 2pts 15/2 gen


Feel like Clan improved this season and coming fresh with the better ground will make the difference. Plus Tizzard having poor festival.
Report sintonian March 13, 2020 8:43 AM GMT
County - Zanza 1pt ew 40/1. 3.65
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 8:47 AM GMT
Triumph
Solo 2pt win @ 7/2 (B3.6.5)
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 8:50 AM GMT
County
Stolen Silver 0.5pt win @ 14/1 (B3.6.5)
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 8:54 AM GMT
Albert Bartlett
Monkfish 1pt win @ 13/2 (B3.6.5)
Report Facts March 13, 2020 10:14 AM GMT
WD cvb with Milan NativeHappy although I was really hoping the gutsy Kilfilum Cross was doing enough !
Report sintonian March 13, 2020 10:37 AM GMT
wd CVb

Albert - Thyme Hill 1.5pt ew 11/2, 3.65
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 11:06 AM GMT
wp CV/Miller

The Gold Cup is currently doing my head in.....
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 11:18 AM GMT
Foxhunters
Dylrow 0.5pt ew @ 125/1 (B3.6.5 5plcs 1/5)
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 1:30 PM GMT
1-30 chelt

Burning Victory 0.5pt

Cerberus 0.5pt

Hook Up 0.25pt

A wave Of The Sea 0.25pt
Report cvbyrne. March 13, 2020 1:54 PM GMT
Midlands National

Petite Power 2pts 8/1 wh
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 2:08 PM GMT
2-10 chelt

Aramon 0.5pt

Buildmeupbuttercup 0.5pt

Elusive Belle 0.25pt

Stolen Silver 0.25pt
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 2:09 PM GMT
Well played Noc.

WP yesterday CVB and Miller.

County
Mohaayed 0.5pts win 11’s
Moon Over Germany 0.9pts win 33’s
Scaramanga 0.5pts ew 50’s 6pls
All Various
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 2:23 PM GMT
Albert Bartlett
Janidil 0.5pt win  20’s
Redford Road 0.9pt win 33’s
House Island 0.4pt ew 80’s 4pls
All various
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 2:48 PM GMT
2-50 chelt

Sempo 0.5pt

Cobblers Way 0.5pt

Ramses De Teillee 0.5pt
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 3:03 PM GMT
Gold Cup
Delta Work 1pt win @ 11/2 (888)
Report Facts March 13, 2020 3:08 PM GMT
Nice one noc.
Report sintonian March 13, 2020 3:17 PM GMT
Grand Annual - Lisp 1.5pt ew 15/2 billies
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 3:30 PM GMT
Gold Cup
Delta Work 1pt 11-2
Chris’s Dream 0.7 28’s
Both win various
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 3:30 PM GMT
WP GI ....About time Happy

Gold Cup

Clan des obeaux 1pt

Presenting Percy 0.5pt

Monalee 0.25pt

Chriss Dream 0.25pt
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 3:42 PM GMT
Foxhunter
Law of Gold 0.5pt ew @ 33/1 (5plcs 1/5)
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 3:42 PM GMT
ta noc, too little too late I think Laugh
Report sintonian March 13, 2020 3:43 PM GMT
Boum. Needed!
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 4:04 PM GMT
WP Sint and Mac

Foxhunter - Top Wood 0.9pts ew 5 Places (Various)
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 4:11 PM GMT
Sint Excited

4-10

Caid De berlais 0.5pt

Alcala 0.25pt ew

Dylrow 0.25pt ew

minella rocco 0.5pt
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 4:21 PM GMT
Grand Annual
Paloma Blue 1pt win @ 10/1 (B3.6.5)
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 4:22 PM GMT
wd sint,
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 4:35 PM GMT
Grand Annual
Eclair De Beaufeu 1pt win 7’s
Winter Escape 0.5pts EW 5pl 40’s
Both Various
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
4-50

Two taffs 0.5pt

Us and them 0.5pt

Winter Escape 0.5pt

Ballywood 0.5pt
Report GI MAC March 13, 2020 5:11 PM GMT
MPCJH
Flash the Steel 0.5pt win @ 20/1 (B3.6.5)
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 5:24 PM GMT
Martin Pipe
Column of Fire 1.5pts win 7’s
Great White Shark 0.5pt ew 50’s (6pl)
Both PP
Report nocturnal March 13, 2020 5:26 PM GMT
5-30 chelt   Final DartsSad

Escaria Ten 0.5pt

Great White Shark 0.5pt

Everybreathyoutake 0.5pt

My Sister Sarah 0.5pt
Report Facts March 13, 2020 6:09 PM GMT
B/f - 23 points

Cheltenham

Tuesday        +16
Wednesday   -  3
Thursday.       -  6
Friday.            -  4

Festival. + 3 pts

Very disappointing. Relooking at my ' rules ' I  could/should have done better ! Still not a loss.

C/F.  -  20 pts
Report cvbyrne. March 13, 2020 6:46 PM GMT
good first 3 days and all given back today. Mainly because staking went wildly out of hand for no reason!!

Season has been one of amazing bad luck too often and they will happen. The scale of horses trading 1/10th or 1/20th their sp and getting beaten. Can't have mega seasons like 2 years ago sandwiched between normal ones without one like this.

Probably my biggest problem this season is the simple fact you cannot assume form is permanent. 2 seasons ago lots of hard work was put in and lots of luck came too. This season a fraction of the work has gone in and the bad luck has hit.

Staking has been a complete mess too. Very little variation in levels despite hugely different levels of confidence in some selections.

My main lesson to take from this year is you absolutely have to put the work in. Too many bets this season I look back on and they've had 5 mins of looking at a card. Rather than skip a weekend because I'm busy I'll lazy bet and get what I deserve.

Reason this season will be loss making is because of complacency. With a dose of arrogance that I've cracked it.

Very well done to Noc and others who've had a good season. Apologies for being AWOL on banter and congratulations for big wins. It's been a uniquely busy time personally
Report Facts March 13, 2020 8:06 PM GMT
Correction.

Tuesday at Cheltenham was a 15 pt profit not 16pts. So + 2pts overall.

C/F. - 21pts
Report Facts March 13, 2020 8:20 PM GMT
Cvbryne

Interesting comments.

For what it's worth, I learnt a long time ago about the dangers of being indisciplined with time, selection process and staking irregularity.
I've now  retired ,  so I have time to keep proper betting records. I've also developed a set of rules to identify key indicators
that point to potential bets. And I only bet in Handicaps C1 and C2 only.
My stakes are a set % of a betting bank. A point equates to a set value. Each selection carries the same stake. Any emotion / ' gut ' feeling is taken away by strict adherence to the required key indicators. The only variance is a doubling of normal stake, usually in big handicap races at festivals, eg Cheltenham ( NH ) or Ascot/Goodwood (,Flat )

I know the ' clinical' way I approach to selection, and betting won't appeal to many. But I'm after long term financial gain, and that's what gives me focus. I still enjoy my racing - win or lose. My aim is to prove to myself that money can be made out of this game . Cool
Report cvbyrne. March 13, 2020 8:51 PM GMT
It's THE danger I think Facts.

Staying handicap chases roi is superb, and any h/c chase 2m5f+, followed by graded races. Identified two years ago and wrote about it in post season analysis.

Yet I had 3pts on a 4yo mare in the Triumph today I spent 4 mins looking at!! I won both staying handicaps at Cheltenham this year!! 1.5pts on the 2nd one

You're exactly on the money. Discipline. I can still find value in races I can see from the facts of having 4 years of detailed records. But treating a 4yo hurdle the same as a 3m+ class 1 handicap chase from a staking perspective is lacking fundamental discipline. Plain and simple
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 10:32 PM GMT
B/F +25.13   IP 22.4

Not going to include Antepost losers already included in running totals.
Dream Berry included twice in error, left out smaller bet

No Comment -4
Captain Guiness -0.8
Champion Hurdle -3.4
Trainwreck -1.8
Coral Cup -3.6
Midnight Shadow -0.9
Dream Berry -1
Tobefair -3
Kim Muir -6
Ryanair -1.5
Plate -3.3
Midnights Gift -0.8
A Wave Of The Sea -0.9
Gold Cup -1.7
County -2.4
Top Wood -1.8
Albert Bartlett 2.2
Grand Annual -2
Column of Fire -1.5

NRNB
McFabulous +0.9
What A Moment +0.9
Politologue +1.4
No Comment +3

Put The Kettle On +16
Kansas City Chief +8.54
Dynamite Dollars  +8.32
Great White Shark +4.5

+25.79  IP 1.9
Report Fabulous March 13, 2020 11:07 PM GMT
Thoughts....

Touching on the discipline side of things, usual problem of too many bets for the sake of it.

I’ve no problem with most of those losers, but these ones, were madness....

Trainwreck -1.8
Kim Muir -6
Plate -3
Albert Bartlett -2.2
Winter Escape -1.6
Ryanair -1.5

Trainwreck - I had only one fancy, Galvin. Why the need to put more up for Trsinwreck than I did for Galvin, god only knows.

Kim Muir - My favourite betting race of the festival, but it was all about No Comment or What A Moment in the lead up, So quite how I managed to squander 6pts on backups just because I like the race......amateur hour.

Plate - I obviously bet more on 2.4m+ Hcap Chases than anything else, but my record in this is drastic, should be a 1pt win only race with one selection

Albert Bartlett - Same as Plate

Winter Escape - An old favourite, but he’s rarely delivered, and I knew deep down he was miles not good enough here, but I still bet him. Should be a 0.1pt bet I keep to myself.

Ryanair - Bit of aftertiming, but I bet A Plus Tard 25’s last March, and laid off in December for early profit. I didn’t really fancy Frodon or Shattered Love, so certainly didn’t need to bet at all, never mind put them up here.

16.1 unnecessary points wasted there. I’ve touched on this before, threads like these make me have bets for the sake of bets. Madness, it has to stop.
Report nocturnal March 14, 2020 8:50 AM GMT
+62.01 2 IP

mr fish / itchy feet -1.5
pertemps -1.5
ryanair -1.25   (shatt love 0 a/post)
stayers -1.25   (penhill 0 a/post)
plate -2
mares novice -2
kim muir -2     

THURSDAY -11.5

cere/hook up/a w o t sea -1
burn vict +7.06    (15.12)
county -1.5
a bart -1.5
gold cup -2
foxhunter -2
g annual -2
m pipe -2

FRIDAY -4.94

+45.57 0 IP


Hugely refreshing posts above.

18 hour days for me over the last week,a huge meeting in terms of commitment.

A big healthy deficit to show for that work,not the first time I may add,over many years.

Letting the dust settle is my normal way of going.

Expectations and reality are very different ends of the spectrum.

This sport has an uncanny knack of finding out any of our flaws.

As the words of wisdom above suggest,you have to start with yourself.

We all visit those dark places,sometimes we need to go there,however hard that can appear.

Unsure how the rest of the season will pan out,something we have no control over.

Pleasure as always,GL for whatever remains.
Report Facts March 14, 2020 10:01 AM GMT
Well said noc
Report GI MAC March 14, 2020 10:39 AM GMT
Indeed. Terrible week personally, but plenty of good bets put up on here, vwd to those who have come out ahead. Thinning out the bad bets is the key, I have to bet on every race at the fezz, cannot help it, something I never do at other meetings. It's only once a year......

Mullins got his first winner in the bumper yet ended up with 7 winners and was Champion trainer, if it wasn't for his rotten luck the first couple of days he could have had around 10. The continued dominance of him and Elliot is remarkable and I don't see it changing. Hendo will always have a few, but Nicholls had no runners on day 1, and had no runners in the Supreme or Ballymore, and only a 50/1 poke in the Albert Bartlett, not good; his best horses are predominantly French breds. Mullins and Elliot are getting all the good Irish raw material. Other trainers are no where, apart from getting the odd good horse.

3.35 Uttoxeter
Captain Drake 1pt win @ 8/1 (B3.6.5)
Report Fabulous March 14, 2020 10:44 AM GMT
Midlands National - Joe Farrell 1.8pts win 14’s (Various)
Report sintonian March 14, 2020 11:48 AM GMT
2:00 Kempton - 2pt Mcfabulous 9/4 3.65

3:50 Kempton 1.5pt ew Flic Ou Voyou 7/2 billies
Report chewy11 March 14, 2020 1:47 PM GMT
I thought I'd cracked it when Put the kettle on & The Conditional went in. Back down to earth for the next 3 days. Well done to everyone who came out in front.

Midlands National- Petit Power 11/2 var 1pt win

What do you think will happen at Aintree, abandoned or behind closed doors?
Report Facts March 14, 2020 1:57 PM GMT
Postponed
Report nocturnal March 14, 2020 2:25 PM GMT
2-25 uttox

Coudy Glen 0.5pt

Aye Aye Charlie 0.5pt
Report Fabulous March 14, 2020 2:28 PM GMT
I think postponed as well

WP Sint
Report nocturnal March 14, 2020 2:40 PM GMT
Sint Cool

2-40 kempton

Coeurr De Lion 0.33pt

Garo De Juilley 0.33pt

Goodbye Dancer 0.33pt
Report nocturnal March 14, 2020 3:16 PM GMT
3-15 kempton

Solomon Grey 0.5pt

Mercy Mercy Me
Report nocturnal March 14, 2020 3:33 PM GMT
3-35 uttox

Petite Power 1pt

Potters Legend 0.5pt
Report Fabulous March 14, 2020 3:34 PM GMT
Midlands National - 0.5 pts win De Rasher Counter 10’s (Various)
Report chewy11 March 14, 2020 4:02 PM GMT
Petite Power -1

-12.5
Report Fabulous March 14, 2020 4:45 PM GMT
Nothing tomorrow, hopefully a wee break now....

Joe Farrell -1.8
De Rasher Counter -0.5

C/F +23.69   IP 1.9
Report GI MAC March 14, 2020 8:48 PM GMT
-9.35 / 0 IP

Doctor Duffy -1
Solo -2
Thatsy -1
Stolen Silver -0.5
Monkfish +6.5
Dylrow -1
Delta Work -1
Law Of Gold -1
Paloma Blue -1
Flash The Steel-0.5
Captain Drake -1

-12.85 / 0 IP
Report nocturnal March 15, 2020 10:11 AM GMT
+45.57

c glen/a a char -1
cdl / gdj / gd -1
sol g/m m me -1
pet pow /pot legend -1.5

+41.07 / 0 IP
Report Fabulous March 21, 2020 2:14 PM GMT
1410 Jaime Somers 0.4pts EW 100’s (Various)
Report Fabulous March 21, 2020 2:24 PM GMT
1510
Dallas Des Pictons 0.9 pts 10’s
Emily Moon 0.8pts 14’s
Both Win Various
Report Fabulous March 21, 2020 7:27 PM GMT
Ulster National - It’s All Guesswork 2.7pt win 10’s (Boyles)
Report Fabulous March 22, 2020 2:52 PM GMT
Ulster National - General Principle 0.9pts win 12’s (Various)
Report nocturnal March 24, 2020 11:43 AM GMT
Morning all

Fab.......Tremendous place hit with JS,in a 7 grand race,sort of sums the season up,well done anyway.


Extraordinary times across the country,with darker times forecast for the weeks ahead.

Quite how racing can go ahead anywhere is beyond me,a safe society must come first.

Mid fifties,self employed,mrs noc is a trained nurse,I await the dreaded letter being "At Risk".

Our own issues are nothing compared to some people.

My heart goes out to those forced into situations way beyond their control,they deserve any help required.

We have two hard working children,both mid twenties,we worry as all parents do, how will they cope?

How do any of us prepare to self isolate for 12 weeks plus ?

Does that Isolated form study,over many years,at ridiculous hours,help in any small way ?

Enough doom and gloom.

It,s been a blast this end,over a number of seasons.

The eternal punting rollercoaster,experienced by all.

To everyone that contributes in anyway:

May you and your families stay safe and healthy.

Too many people to mention from my end,absolute pleasure as always.

Regards

Noc
Report Facts March 24, 2020 6:16 PM GMT
Same to you noc.
Roll on the inevitable ' start  ' of the Flat Season , whenever that may be.??!
Report stan246 July 29, 2020 8:58 AM BST
Will there be a new one guys? Looking to get involved this season
Report Fabulous July 29, 2020 9:25 AM BST
Stan, I’ll give Noc or CVB their place, as they normally start it. If not I’ll do one this afternoon
Report nocturnal July 29, 2020 12:36 PM BST
Crack on Fab ......currently tied up with the spindly legged things Cry

Stan246 Cool
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