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ADRIEN DU PONT (FR)
AL BOUM PHOTO (FR)
ALLYSSON MONTERG (FR)
AMERICAN (FR)
BALLYOPTIC (IRE)
BEWARE THE BEAR (IRE)
BLACK CORTON (FR)
BRAQUEUR D’OR (FR)
CALETT MAD (FR)
CLAN DES OBEAUX (FR)
COO STAR SIVOLA (FR)
DINGO DOLLAR (IRE)
DON POLI (IRE)
EL BANDIT (IRE)
ELEGANT ESCAPE (IRE)
FINAL NUDGE (IRE)
FLYING ANGEL (IRE)
FULL IRISH (IRE)
GO CONQUER (IRE)
INVITATION ONLY (IRE)
ISLEOFHOPENDREAMS
JANIKA (FR)
JAVERT (IRE)
KEMBOY (FR)
LABEL DES OBEAUX (FR)
LAST GOODBYE (IRE)
MISTER WHITAKER (IRE)
MONBEG NOTORIOUS (IRE)
MS PARFOIS (IRE)
ONE FOR ARTHUR (IRE)
OTAGO TRAIL (IRE)
PAIROFBROWNEYES (IRE)
PRESENT MAN (IRE)
RATHVINDEN (IRE)
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RENE’S GIRL (IRE)
ROCK THE KASBAH (IRE)
ROCKLANDER (IRE)
SIZING TENNESSEE (IRE)
SNOW FALCON (IRE)
SOLIGHOSTER (FR)
SPLASH OF GINGE
STEP BACK (IRE)
TERREFORT (FR)
THE DUTCHMAN (IRE)
THE YOUNG MASTER
THISTLECRACK
THOMAS PATRICK (IRE)
TOTAL RECALL (IRE)
UN TEMPS POUR TOUT (IRE)
UP FOR REVIEW (IRE)
VIRGILIO (FR)
VYTA DU ROC (FR)
WEST APPROACH
WILLOUGHBY COURT (IRE)
YALA ENKI (FR)

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By:
shockster
When: 31 Oct 18 13:56
This is the richest handicap chase behind the Grand National.

It's got a great record for 2nd season chasers.  Looking back at recent winners, most went on and ran in the Gold Cup. So if you can't see the horse your backing being good enough to line up in the GC in March it probably isn't good enough.
By:
deepingfox
When: 01 Nov 18 16:04
Studied the form and videos, and I am happy to take 28/1 JANIKA for this one, boosted by ladies. The Henderson/Munir/Jacobs team, with horse that tore into his first two fence victories in Auteuil before transferringocer here. Two of his victims have gone on to show  improved form since, so if he is given a weight of 145 or lower next week, I can see him being very competitive off that Mark. Fingers crossed Hendo thinks the same.
By:
deepingfox
When: 01 Nov 18 16:05
Boosted by Laddies not 'Ladies'!
By:
Nogoody
When: 01 Nov 18 17:28
Followed you in, thanks for the heads up. I never had much time for sniveling Nicky but I think he's going to have a great year. For all his faults, there are few better at having them right on the day.
By:
shockster
When: 11 Nov 18 12:19
The 2.20 at Sandown today has 4 entries that are engaged in the Hennessey. Terrefort, Coo Star Sivola, Elegant Escape & Thomas Patrick. Could and probably will affect the betting.
By:
nocturnal
When: 11 Nov 18 14:49
Good work Shockster.........I like that Gold Cup angle up the top.

A few stats from another site looking at last 12 runnings

11/12  Aged 6-8
6/12   LTO winners
7/12  Ran within 55 days
7/12  Top 3 betting
4/12  Winning favourites
9/12  Ran at Newbury
8/12  Won at Newbury
11/12  Minimum 3 runs at 3m or beyond
11/12  Minimum 4 chase runs
9/12  Rated 150 or above
7/12  One run or more current season.

Lowest winning rating 145 (State of play)

Highest rating 174 (The Tank)

Only Denman has carried more than 11-06 to victory in those 12 runnings.

Bobs Worth / Many Clouds both carried 11-06 as 7 yr olds.

Native River carried 11-01 back in 2016 as a 6 yr old.

Some fantastic horses have taken this on the way to much better things.

Looking at the entry this far out,using the age stats,a rating above 150,weight limit 11-06,leaves a very select few.

Al Boum Photo
Snow Falcon
Black Corton
Clan Des Obeaux
Kemboy
American
Mister Whitaker
Invitation Only
Monbeg Notorious
Willoughby Court
Elegant Escape
Yala Enki

Not in anyway a definitive guide to finding the winner,jeez if it was that easy we would not be on here discussing it.

Plenty will change prior to final decs,weights,jockey bookings and any headgear to name just a few.

The one I do like is in there,guesswork at this stage if he runs here.

The domination of the Irish horses last season,not withstanding the GC,cannot be overlooked,especially in staying chases.Long thought of this as a good guide for those English / Irish trainers that want an early indicator just where their horses may stand in handicap terms,in effect a scouting trip.

Come back to this much nearer the time,to try and narrow down that shortlist,be interesting to see how many of those stand their ground,and of course how they run.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 11 Nov 18 15:16
thanks, noc - key take out for me from today is therefore that Elegant Escape will be off 11-02 with today's penalty if Thistlecrack runs but will now have to carry at least 11-07 if his stable mate comes out.

Thomas Patrick will be 5 lbs better off for a 0.5 length beating in the Ladbrokes Trophy - visually I'd still expect Elegant Escape to come out on top on the revised terms but if Thomas Patrick can replicate today's round of jumping and you factor in the bigger field and the fact that front running tactics have been effective in recent renewals of this race then he'd have every chance of reversing the places.

I don't think Coo Star Sivola or Terrefort will run in the Ladbrokes Trophy now. Terrefort already had the option of the Many Clouds Chase at Aintree on Dec 8th before today and I reckon Henderson will err on the side of caution and send him there for a confidence builder. Nick Williams stated pre today's race that Coo Star Sivola would only run in the Ladbrokes Trophy if today suggested he was still well handicapped - it did n't.

Potentially looks an exciting renewal to me - agree with shockster (other thread) that it will be enhanced if Thistlecrack runs.
By:
shockster
When: 20 Nov 18 15:21
With Thistlecrack likely to run in the Betfair Chase, it looks like Kemboy will now carry top weight.  It also looks like rain will be around from the middle of next week.

Big ask for Kemboy to win, but I think he has a real chance. I'll add Thomas Patrick and Ms Parfois for my 3 against the field.

If I'm being honest I don't think there is that much depth to this race. Quite a lot of exposed horses who won't be good enough.
By:
shockster
When: 21 Nov 18 11:30
Just added Black Corton 25/1 to my other 3.  It's just too big a price in comparison to Elegant Escape. He'll have his share of weight but not sure there's much lurking at the bottom of the weights.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 21 Nov 18 16:27
yes, rose tinted spectacles from me thinking Thistlecrack would run here - it makes sense for him to run at Haydock and give Team Tizzard two chances at the £1m bonus - if he were to win on Saturday, I'd imagine he'll run in the King George and they'll send Native River elsewhere.Quite a big if though...

I like Thomas Patrick and Ms Parfois too - maybe American (if it rains)

Rock The Kasbah is starting to build a decent body of work over fences - I think the better ground is key to himin the sense that it helps his jumping.It would be a quick turnaround but technically 2lb well in for his Cheltenham win last w/e.

I have to wait before striking a bet, personally - would like to have a better idea about the likely ground
By:
shockster
When: 21 Nov 18 20:33
The ground at Newbury after yesterdays media day was described as Good to Soft all over by the Jockeys.  As it stands Newbury are not planning to water as the weather is mixed next week.

Rease I'm sure Hobbs said Rock The Kasbah if OK goes for the Becher Chase the following week.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 21 Nov 18 21:05
thanks, shockster - I remember the RTK comments now, short term memory is shocking these days...Happy

Promising for the likes of Thomas Patrick and American on the ground front then - and for the meeting generally given there are still plenty of horses awaiting proper winter ground for a run
By:
SOULDANCER
When: 22 Nov 18 08:19
Clerk of Course Tues.
  This season had to use more water than in last 4 years put together. Walked it this morning, ground good, good to soft in places.
Forecast is for showers but the weather is unpredictable.
  Frost coming Thurs, mindful that any further watering can only be done in certain areas.
By:
shlotter
When: 25 Nov 18 02:22
If the horse I fancy goes, once I have got my wedge on it I will post my sound advice. My a..e in bits after many consecutive weekends of fine wines, Guinness and champagne from horsey profits... Crazy
By:
gpz6316
When: 25 Nov 18 22:08
i like thomas patrick , and i dont like gob****s whom claim they,ve been supping all their winnings and might give us the steam of their pi ss . do one shlotter
By:
shlotter
When: 26 Nov 18 03:27
ahh thomas patrick would have a chance at dee weights like. i wouldnt be putting off ye him now
By:
shlotter
When: 26 Nov 18 03:31
i think you just gave away the winner and I tend to agree with you gpz, he will definately be in with a big chance
By:
shockster
When: 26 Nov 18 10:25
Plenty of rain now in the Newbury forecast. Can't wait to be getting on the train at 5.58am on Friday morning. Excited
By:
shockster
When: 26 Nov 18 14:17
Alysson Monterg
American
Ms Parfois
Otago Trail

Are all entered in the Rehearsal Chase on Saturday as well as this race. Worth noting if playing this late. They may go to wherever it's softest?
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 26 Nov 18 17:07
yes, I noticed that - it kinda puts me off American for this a little bit, less so Ms Parfois (based on what I've read I'd be pretty sure Ms Parfois will run at Newbury but less so American).

I think this race declares Thursday and the Rehearsal Chase Friday. Is that right?

Enjoy, Shockster - never been to Newbury, I was at Haydock on Saturday - thoroughly enjoyable but the rain surely means bigger fields this w/e which will be more of a spectacle (both the novices chases at the Newbury meeting look interesting as well even though some are double entered).
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 26 Nov 18 17:07
yes, I noticed that - it kinda puts me off American for this a little bit, less so Ms Parfois (based on what I've read I'd be pretty sure Ms Parfois will run at Newbury but less so American).

I think this race declares Thursday and the Rehearsal Chase Friday. Is that right?

Enjoy, Shockster - never been to Newbury, I was at Haydock on Saturday - thoroughly enjoyable but the rain surely means bigger fields this w/e which will be more of a spectacle (both the novices chases at the Newbury meeting look interesting as well even though some are double entered).
By:
dunlaying
When: 26 Nov 18 19:05
I think Flying Angel is an interesting possible . Go back to his early form and he looks like a Class 2 horse . Good hurdle form and he beat Cloudy Dream and Top Notch at levels . He goes on any ground and is in form . The trip is the problem . But he had a wind op after one failure at three miles and he ran well enough behind Definitly Red to suggest that he could stay . Only 7 and with no weight I will back him if declared .
By:
dunlaying
When: 26 Nov 18 19:19
He has dropped 15 on official ratings and might get put up after his second to Mr Medic .
By:
shockster
When: 26 Nov 18 19:49
Newbury is a long way from Yorkshire but myself and a few lads have been going to this meeting since 2005. Smashing little town as well. Funnily enough I missed Saturday as usually get to Haydock and Aintree as not far at all.

Not sure if you noticed but as it stands Kemboy only has a 3lb penalty not 4lb as this would take him to 11st 13lb and 11st 12lb is the max weight.  We were discussing previously on another thread about a similar scenario regarding Terrefort.

Big price Flying Angel if he did come back but distance has to be a worry.  Doesn't cost a lot to find out though at the price.
By:
shockster
When: 27 Nov 18 09:35
Ladbrokes are NRNB now on this race.
By:
shockster
When: 27 Nov 18 15:36
Noel Fehily is Jocked up on American at NEWCASTLE on the Racing Post site.  It looks as if Fehily will be there for Summerville Boy, so it could have a bearing on where American runs?????
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 27 Nov 18 16:58
It has been raining all day in Newbury.
By:
shlotter
When: 28 Nov 18 00:24
Thomas Patrick I have been steadily backing.  I have him on my handicap four pound better then his mark. Should be a good race. Best of luck to one and all.
By:
shockster
When: 29 Nov 18 10:12
Ladbrokes Trophy (14 Runners) - Kemboy, Black Corton, Elegant Escape, American, Dingo Dollar, Thomas Patrick, Sizing Tennessee, Beware The Bear, Go Conquer, Ms Parfois, Allysson Monterg, Flying Angel, West Approach, The Young Master.
By:
shockster
When: 29 Nov 18 11:57
Kemboy has escaped his penalty and actually runs off 157.  No penalties to increase a weight above 11st12lb. He and Black Corton are Joint top weights.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 29 Nov 18 12:40
14 runners is a low turnout , they should be having more possible runners than places for this magnificent race.

Antepost bets Kemboy 14/1 , Thomas Patrick 14/1 , Elegant Escape 10/1 , Sizing Tennessee 33/1
By:
brownie
When: 29 Nov 18 14:25
unfortunately no kemboy due to ferry issues
By:
shockster
When: 29 Nov 18 14:36
Kemboy will miss the Trophy at Newbury on Saturday due to travel problems.

The six-year-old emerged as a leading contender for the prestigious handicap – formerly known as the Hennessy Gold Cup – when making a successful start to his campaign in the Clonmel Oil Chase a fortnight ago.

Irish champion trainer Willie Mullins, who won last year’s renewal with Total Recall, had seven contenders at Monday’s confirmation stage, but Kemboy was his only declared runner.

The Supreme Horse Racing Club-owned gelding was due to make the trip across the Irish Sea on Thursday morning, but with his ferry cancelled and delays possible for later ferries, plans were abandoned.



Steve Massey, racing manager for the owners, said: “It’s obviously very disappointing.

“We were looking forward to having a horse with a leading chance in such a prestigious race, but we can’t do anything about the weather.

“The ferry was cancelled this morning and the ferries later tonight could be delayed. Even if he did get a ferry late, he could have a rough trip and might not get to Newbury until the early hours of the morning.

“It’s a big blow and disappointing for all his owners, but we know he’s an exciting horse and we have to do what is in his best interests.”

Kemboy was the 9-2 favourite for historic handicap following the final declaration stage.
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Nov 18 14:58
just becoming another 3 mile Saturday handicap these days,declining year by year imo,very uninspiring
By:
sixtwosix
When: 29 Nov 18 14:59
Down to 13 ..... might be double figures come race time.
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Nov 18 15:00
remember backing silent valley in this against bright highway, don't think silent valley could win Saturday,s race

mind you he is about 50, LaughLaugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Nov 18 15:02
66 to 1 shot ,sibton abbey running down jodami still hurts
By:
sixtwosix
When: 29 Nov 18 16:04
Bregawn belting the last in 1982 ,giving Captain John a 3 length start and then flying past him .....he was some horse.
By:
penzance
When: 29 Nov 18 18:22
would'nt say it's declining,had two GC wnrs
and a GN wnr,win it in the last few years.
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