Vertem Futurity Trophy (Don 27th Oct)

Japan, the winner of The Beresford today beating his more fancied stablemate Mount Everest, could be this way bound. Similarly, Anthony Van Dyck and possibly Mohawk. And with Quorto having been packed-off only Sangarius, if proved competitive in The Dewhurst, could thwart another triumph for AOB, I think.

Anthony Van Dyck has been scratched from the Lagardere in France this weekend, and he's not in The Dewhurst next saturday either. Unless he is down to run in an egg-and-spoon race in Ireland he must be this race bound similar to Saxon Warrior last year, No doubt he would be short given Quorto is off till next season, and Too Darn Hot running in The Dewhurst; a probable serious Derby prospect if winning comprehensively, I believe.

Anthony Van Dyck is still entered in the Dewhurst. I, for one, hope he runs in it too - with Quorto not running, AVD would bring the best 7f form into the race.

I think I read somewhere post his defeat by Quorto over 7f his next race would be over a mile. But despite being joint-fav in The Lagardere with Anodor in France on sunday he was scratched; The Dewhurst is over 7f, and Too Darn Hot is running too thus I cannot see AOB running him there.

What surprise me though is his price for The Derby, still available at 14/1 with ***365. I thought he was running on again after being headed by Quorto over 7f on good to yielding ground at The Curragh.

A gallant run by AVD considering inadequate Dewhurst trip. Will AVD be pitched up here in two weeks' time? I hope so...to show what he could do with a furlong further. If so, he'd be fav, I believe. As for Too Darn Hot, he'd be packed-off now for the season and be prepped for The 2000G next season.

AOB has 23 of 49 entries with his two big guns Anthony Van Dyck (AVD) and Japan his principals. But will AVD run so soon after the Dewhurst (13th Oct)? Unlikely I'd think. If he does show up, he'd be at the top of the pecking order for The Derby; Saxon Warrior won this last year.

not sure whats gone on here , vertem futurity ? and the flagship paper racing post now sponsor what in the sport ?

sorry 123 but i dont see avd as a improver over distance . i,ve just not seen it . hes just a horse that has shown his quality , which is good , but , not top class imo . if he has had the lurgy however he can be something else next year .

i,ve also noticed that coolmore is looking to other sires now as the Galileo line is becoming overwhelming . i reckon that dubawi is gonna rule the roost over the next few years . then roaring lion .

summing up quorto , would be the winner and he will be the top middle distance horse next year and may well beat tdh in the guineas

Sorry, I do not read The Dewhurst (best 2yr old race so far) where AVD is concerned. He seemed to having to be rushed up to be with the pace (reluctantly), and even Gosden alluded to that in his post race comments; he'd credit himself in The 2000G, but I cannot see him winning unless he's progressed enormously over the winter and/or something amiss with TDH and Quorto. I hope AVD is AOB's numero uno for Epsom.

Diminuendo was tapped for pace in The 1000G but a different horse over 12f. Similarly, Enable who was no match for Shutter Speed over 10f but 12f an entirely different proposition.

As for Quorto, I just cannot foresee Godolphin winning the Epsom Derby (again); this year's renewal was a poor lot; 2nd DXB (a dog); RL/Sax/Haz (3rd/4th/5th) clearly did not stay the trip.

No AVD but Magna Grecia has been supplemented with Norway and Japan amongst 9 AOB's probable line-up. Pheonix of Spain beaten by Too Darn Hot in the Champagne Stakes is also in the probable line-up.

Supplementing Magna Grecia has caught the market's imagination to the extent that people are assuming "supplementary entry" is synonymous with "stable's no.1". Personally I'd have Japan's Beresford win as superior to MG's Autumn Stakes second.

Love both MAGNA GRECIA and JAPAN, Mystic,

Looking at the betting for the classics, then outside of Ten Soveriegns, AOB has nothing shorter than Magna Grecia for the 2000 Guineas, after the Newmarket tussle with Persian King, when they strode away from the opposition together,

On the other hand, nothing appeals for Epsom, for AOB, as much as Japan.

I would back either, as fav, to win at Donny, but maybe both will run, unless their is a grade 1 left (in France) for one of them, over 1m.

Really surprised to see Japan is an absentee. Magna Grecia ran a good race at HQ but will likely encounter softer ground at Donny - that's not sure to suit this son of Invincible Spirit.

AVD is likely for the Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf for a mega prize after his defeat in The Dewhurst, but I cannot have Magna Grecia over Pheonix Of Spain despite a late supplementary. It could be a wrong race for a wrong horse, I believe.

fav too short. phoenix of spain surely the bet here even if reluctant to take hills over O'Brien.

interesting lightly raced types in the race as well, like king of ottokar, that won well first time up in soft conditions so might throw a saver on him.

will be looking out for the kingman colt to see how it gets on in this race and the favourite who was beaten
by a kingman colt LTO

Dashing Willoughby at a fancy price is worth a try, 33/1

Had a small ew interest on Phoenix of Spain 5/1  he'll handle the ease in the ground, & the mile should suit.

Phoenix Of Spain undoubtedly has the best form but I'm a bit concerned about him coming here after what I think were two hard races. Magna Grecia next best but for me his Autumn Stakes run was a few pounds below what is usually required here. Might improve again but may need to. The others need to make even more improvement but with so many lightly raced types that could easily happen. So even though I have Magna Grecia second best I've laid him just because I think the price is too short.

some jockey! top horse too

Result will stand, I believe, but holiday for Donnacha.

Cracking finish from the 2 form horses. I'd expect the result to stand, even tho there was some interference

& it does.

Magna Grecia too good. From the result you could say he's improved past Phoenix of Spain but I don't think that one quite ran up to his previous best. The race was run at a good pace but resulted in a bunched finish in just an ok time. I don't believe Magna Grecia improved but as it turned out he didn't need to. Needs to make significant progress, for me, to be a Derby horse. The rest couldn't even stay on past the pacemaker and look useless at this level.

Front 2 look nice prospects for next yr.
don't view the winner as a Derby horse? Maybe get 10f on faster ground.
Think the runner up wants further already, a 10f + horse next yr.

Only cements the status of Too Darn Hot for The 2000G.

Can't see Magna Carta being fast enough to pick up top races over 10f.

Or even Magna Grecia

Yes, Too Darn Hot does look the biz. All going well, he'll take all the beating in the 2000gns.

the weight of money that came for turgenev, must of been the jockey and trainer combination, had absolutely
no chance imo